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Fighting Games Weekly | Oct 27-Nov 2 | A Lot Of Shit Went Down
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Thomasorus
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I don't want to sound rude but Tekken is more heavily supported by Markman who loves the game than by the community (even if I count Reep and Aris as important figures too). He has the contacts needed, knows Namco and knows how to be persuasive about all this as he's a businessman. If it was just the community, Tekken would not have been at EVO last year. PLUS a company like Namco can help organize, give prizes, give money, etc... Even the brand plays an important role, and Tekken is the most sold series in fighting games with a big history.
I would love to see SG at EVO but SG doesn't have a Markman to push things on, and is not a brand with such a history supported by such a big company.
What would be better is to give non official tournaments exposition on scene/stream once they go beyond a certain number of players. 150 players is a great thing that deserves tobe streamed and exposed to people.
I would love to see SG at EVO but SG doesn't have a Markman to push things on, and is not a brand with such a history supported by such a big company.
What would be better is to give non official tournaments exposition on scene/stream once they go beyond a certain number of players. 150 players is a great thing that deserves tobe streamed and exposed to people.
EarlyEarly
Member
If you need to request a ban from an online forum to get real life shit done then I dunno man.
The pools last year were a snore, not to mention they neglected to show a lot of the good stuff on stream even if it was happening (Daigo, Infiltration and many others get eliminated off stream, what?).
Instead of streaming that might as well stream the top 8s or top 4s for other games and give them some support. There's plenty they could put on Saturday (VF, DOA, KOF, SG, Tekken, Persona etc.) and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out better than Sunday as a result.
It was probably off stream because they felt like it would have been one sided. If you told me it was gonna be Daigo vs John Choi, I probably wouldn't have cared. You can't really fault them on something like that. If it was say, Daigo vs Infiltration and they showed it offstream, that's understandable.
but Mike Z :V
I don't think there's any point to a Tekken 7 exhibition unless they have some kind of console exclusive thing to show off.. which is not gonna happen considering Tekken will have at least around a year of arcade exclusivity making it WAY too early to show off something that arcade goers who spend 100's to 1000's on the game won't receive.
By July T7 will have been out in Japan/Korea/Rest of Pacific for almost 5 months. If people watching EVO wanted to see some cool T7 matches, they'd just tune into the daily Green Arcade streams.
Also, there may be a chance places in North America like Round 1 Arcade will get Tekken 7. Hence people who live in California and Illinois can officially be already playing T7 around February/March. In that scenario EVO may just even bring in the T7 arcade cab to the place and hold a player cap side tournament for it and just have the top 4 streamed or something.
By July T7 will have been out in Japan/Korea/Rest of Pacific for almost 5 months. If people watching EVO wanted to see some cool T7 matches, they'd just tune into the daily Green Arcade streams.
Also, there may be a chance places in North America like Round 1 Arcade will get Tekken 7. Hence people who live in California and Illinois can officially be already playing T7 around February/March. In that scenario EVO may just even bring in the T7 arcade cab to the place and hold a player cap side tournament for it and just have the top 4 streamed or something.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Tekken also has Harada, who seems to be interested in the fgc.
But yeah if there's one game out there that I just have absolutely zero interest in it's Tekken
RockTurtle
Member
i have to disagree slightly here.
The personalities of the scene are some of the big draws of viewers.
If there was a choice to have a small stream following daigo around even fighting some random elderly woman from wyoming in pools, i figure that woyuld garner more attention than some random unknown vs another random unknown if they are using top tier characters.
Karsticles
Member
I think there's some value in making sure there's a 3D fighting game that's represented. While I am not a fan of the genre, if Evo is supposed to be a culmination of fighting games of all types, having at least one of each type makes sense.
If it's supposed to be the culmination of fighting games I'd like it to include a multitude of games from different types, as many as it could handle. But ya know, 3 day event.
I think that was the main reason they put TTT2 this year. That's why I think DoA has a chance on next year's EVO
RockTurtle
Member
What if EVO has a 1-2 hour period dedicated to only grand finals of games that bring in less than 120+ contestants?
I'd like to see DOA/Injustice/Mk/SG/Anime games get their chance in the spotlights
I'd like to see DOA/Injustice/Mk/SG/Anime games get their chance in the spotlights
seriously, what?
also not streaming FChamp vs Daigo when the matchup is so interesting and they already had a big rivalry from the past.. i dunno man..
Better would be to support those tournaments as games throughout with what they would need if they got the numbers. I would take anything to blur the line between "Official Evo Game" and "large unofficial Evo tournament." I'm of the opinion that the distinction can be harmful to public perception of smaller games (which I think is stupid but it's the truth).
Edit: Also, you guys probably have no idea what it's like trying to run a tournament like that while getting matches to be streamed and not having it take a million years because you need the bracket to constantly be moving. Shit sucks but it's the nature of how we run events.
You're crazy, man.
I simply do not get this. John Choi is one of the best U.S. players ever. To believe such a match is not stream worthy, is to disregard flat facts. It is historical canon.
MiniBossBattle
Member
I just hate deadtime/dead air at EVO. Even on college radio, there was SOMETHING on.
Would've been a great moment to show stream monsters probably two of the best shoto players of all time.
There are many solutions to amazing matches being off stream, but it's up to EVO if they want to implement them.
I hope someone brings a divider table to separate arcade sticks like CafeID did at EVO lol
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
To give EVO the benefit of the doubt, maybe brackets were behind schedule, or they couldn't wait, or the bracket runner got communication crossed. What was exactly on stream when they were playing?
Or maybe Bronson did it. Like you can't watch this live, you should had been here.
Or maybe Bronson did it. Like you can't watch this live, you should had been here.
I wish more events had multiple stream setups, so they could switch among the various games.
twozerotwo
Member
Jesus Christ, I'm terrible.
I just lost to a Bison that spammed his flaming dive over and over and over and I couldn't figure out a way to get in with Makoto. What made me even more pissed off was the fact that I won the second round after an amazing comeback and I was in the middle of another comeback when I got starched in the last round.
Goddamn. I'm so fucking salty right now, I'm a little shaky.
I didn't realize it till after I quit Steam that I was hammerfisting my buttons to get back to the select screen.
I just lost to a Bison that spammed his flaming dive over and over and over and I couldn't figure out a way to get in with Makoto. What made me even more pissed off was the fact that I won the second round after an amazing comeback and I was in the middle of another comeback when I got starched in the last round.
Goddamn. I'm so fucking salty right now, I'm a little shaky.
That could also be the mocha frappuccino I had a bit ago.
I didn't realize it till after I quit Steam that I was hammerfisting my buttons to get back to the select screen.
RockTurtle
Member
whatever happened to the mystery game part of EVO where FLOE has to beat a random game on stream or they bring out an obscure japanese title like that construction machine fighting game or the greatest warrior game from the learning channel?
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
There already isn't enough time, no need to waste time on this, heh.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah leave floe's lets plays on his channel
Probably just me then. I don't really have an interest in seeing John Choi play SF4 (super turbo is a different story). I feel like some people were mad because they missed daigo losing rather than missed the match, period.
notworksafe
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Shouta
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Definitely not enough time. Also, the Evo stream was definitely focused on key match-ups within the winner's bracket of each pool. It's often that there are too many matches in line or too many high profile ones going on at the same time to get certain ones on stream. Choi vs Daigo was a loser's bracket match wasn't it? It wouldn't have been streamed at all because they were don't doing loser's bracket matches until later in the day, I believe.
Having only matches of top players to feed the stream would put an extraordinary amount of strain on time so they can't do it. They'll try when they can but it's just not reasonable at all.
Having only matches of top players to feed the stream would put an extraordinary amount of strain on time so they can't do it. They'll try when they can but it's just not reasonable at all.
DryEyeRelief
Member
They immediately put Alex Valle vs Daigo Umehara on stream, a match in losers, even though they were only putting winners bracket matches on the main stage.
and then they ignore John Choi vs Daigo even though its later in the tournament. Dat SoCal bias
SF4 in EVO is a logistics nightmare for the organisers, I think. In one weekend, probably over a thousand matches have to be played in order to determine the champion. Unfortunately, they made a mistake this year of only having one dedicated stream for Ultra and by rough estimation, they were only able to stream 1% of all the matches being played. Obviously some of the 'big' matches will be left out and only Arturo can be the savior of the stream monsters by recording them with his CPM camera. Hopefully, the TOs will learn their mistake and have at least two dedicated streams for Ultra as they did in EVO 2013.
This is quite sensible.
Smooth Operator
Member
You guys are ready for the WNF vs Next Level rematch lolol ?
TheBesteban
Neo Member
No, i'm saying EVO 2015 will be the last for SF4 and KOF13.
Don't think it's likely we'll have both SF4 and SF5 at one EVO just for the sheer sake of variety, and the fact there are so few spots with new fighters coming out yearly.
Make it a tournament
WNF vs NLBC vs Japan vs Canada vs Europe
They could each have a flag or something
I think it (increasing entry fee for Ultra) was discussed earlier this week but I want to share my opinion on this matter. Honestly, they should just increase the entry fee for SF4 in order to control the crowd size. They had almost 2000 players for Ultra this year and of course that's a huge selling point of EVO but the sheer size just creates many problems for them. I have no empirical evidence for this argument but I believe if they increase the pot size by $5, the crowd will still be large enough (I'm assuming a decrease of 25% aka ~1500 players) to have a larger pot size than maintaining the same entry fee.
RockTurtle
Member
i thought the floe or japanese title thing was more of an after hours showing. when all the matches were done/not yet till next day
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I would like smaller games to get grand finals on the main stream Saturday evening. Seems logistically difficult, though.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Evo would need an extra day to fit in all the tournaments that should be there. But tbh the issue is the open format. There is only so much time in the day!
That shit happens most places, and wasn't that scumbag.
I'd kinda like to see a $100 Ultra tournament, kinda like the WSOP has the $10,000 buy-in event instead of the $1,000. Frauds like myself wouldn't enter the $100 event.
The $10 event should have pool-based prize money and the pot bonuses.
It's not- you just have to forgo Marvel Top 32 on the main stream. And it might be time to do that.
Lostconfused
Member
Getting more exposure for smaller games would be cool, but I guess most people tune in too stream monster their favorite game anyway so it might not matter?