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Halo |OT 20| It really does feel like Halo
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I don't want ADS in Halo because it goes against the core principles of Halo's gameplay. It's not that I hate ADS, Battlefield & Destiny are two of my favorite games right now, but they're not Halo, and Halo isn't them.
I just want Halo to keep it's identity, and not follow trends of other shooters, we have too many "me too" FPS as it is.
I just want Halo to keep it's identity, and not follow trends of other shooters, we have too many "me too" FPS as it is.
Agreed. There aren't many arena shooters left, I don't want to lose my favourite one.
I don't really like ADS in Halo at all but I can live with it if it doesn't affect actual gameplay.
What we have now would've made me feel like a secret agent when I was a kid.
You could probably build a house out of those things that would survive a nuclear blast.
What we have now would've made me feel like a secret agent when I was a kid.
Kinda still does
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
A friend of mine had one of those phones up until just a few months ago. She had the exact same phone for twelve years.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, I think the precision rifles in Destiny suck with ADS. I hope Halo 5 does it better.
How the hell do you only have 3 hours to wait??
It's the CTF glue all over again!
HaloFest can't get here fast enough. I need that Halo 5 gameplay!!
Stop making me jealous!
Um...
Do you live in the future?
This too. I'm really looking forward to seeing non blurry direct feed footage. We'll find out how thrusters and stuff work as well.
I can't believe we were right from the start about default thrusters.
Also, were probably going to require.. New OT in the next few days. Are we going to go straight to 22 like it should be?
Oh yeah of course. I got my time zones a bit wrong.
5 for me. I'm thinking about taking a nap so I can stay up all night playing.
Great minds...
have cool ideas that the devs will implement into the game.
The fact that the leak was potato cam footage only added to my hype.
The reason no one wants sprint is that none of the classic Halo experiences would have benefited from sprint. From 2v2 battles on Chill Out to 8v8 on Sandtrap. When you add in a mechanic like Sprint you fundamentally change the way the game plays, and have to change the design of maps to accommodate this, in a way that moves from what Halo has represented to something entirely different.
The problem for me seeing ADS even if just visually combined with the inclusion again in sprint, is it shows the thinking in 343 doesn't seem to have changed. The same type of thinking which led to the biggest and quickest drop in Xbox Live users for a Halo game ever in Halo 4. There again taking ques from other shooters, rather than making sure Halo stands on its own. That it represents something else, another class of shooter, rather than becoming synonymous with generic modern FPS ("tick box" based game design). I hope to be proven completely wrong by their reveal, but its not a good sign at all.
I just want to clarify I don't think there's anything wrong with Sprint/ADS etc if your into it, and if 343 wants to make a game like that fair enough, but their insistence to add it to Halo will always be an issue. Halo has its own style of gaming, your not being 'innovative' breaking the DNA of Halo, your just taking the piss out of fans who like the type of gaming Halo represents, and hearing reasons as to why taking features which we all know originated from other games and making them "work" in Halo is never going to be properly justified or accepted.
Make another game and call it what you want, add in these features and let your game stand on its own.
The problem for me seeing ADS even if just visually combined with the inclusion again in sprint, is it shows the thinking in 343 doesn't seem to have changed. The same type of thinking which led to the biggest and quickest drop in Xbox Live users for a Halo game ever in Halo 4. There again taking ques from other shooters, rather than making sure Halo stands on its own. That it represents something else, another class of shooter, rather than becoming synonymous with generic modern FPS ("tick box" based game design). I hope to be proven completely wrong by their reveal, but its not a good sign at all.
I just want to clarify I don't think there's anything wrong with Sprint/ADS etc if your into it, and if 343 wants to make a game like that fair enough, but their insistence to add it to Halo will always be an issue. Halo has its own style of gaming, your not being 'innovative' breaking the DNA of Halo, your just taking the piss out of fans who like the type of gaming Halo represents, and hearing reasons as to why taking features which we all know originated from other games and making them "work" in Halo is never going to be properly justified or accepted.
Make another game and call it what you want, add in these features and let your game stand on its own.
I've met plenty of people who like sprint in Halo. Most people I talked to about it in Halo Reach and 4 liked it or didn't mind it. A lot of them had been friends I had played with since Halo 3 too. While I don't think sprint belongs in smaller maps (2v2 or 4v4), I think that in the case of BTB it adds to the gameplay and works well. BTB is still Halo yes but it's not small arena shootouts anymore. There's vehicles, more weapons, and travel time which majorly affect the way it plays. While sprint does affect gameplay yes, it doesn't make it something entirely different nor does it have to affect it negatively.
To say that 343 haven't changed ignores a lot of things they've done as well. They've been improving Halo 4 since its release, are releasing a massive collection for the next generation, have hired major pros, are showing great support for competetive gaming and have done a much better job at communicating. I don't think ADS belongs in Halo either (hell it contradicts an established reason in the story for why Spartans don't use sights), however they have implemented it in a way that won't affect gameplay so I can live with it. I'm not saying that it makes it any less arbitrary of a change or that I think it justifies having it however it at least shows they understand how scope works is a fundamental part of Halo.
If you see a feature in another game (popular or not) and think that it could work well in your own game, I think it's fine to do it. Just because it "originated" in a different game doesn't mean it can't be a nice addition to your own.
If you ever need someone to game with on the 360 just send me message dude. I know your pain.
Yeah I know people who like sprint as well. They all agree that the maps in Reach and Halo 4 were trash however. They just can't understand the correlation between the two.
SHIFTYkiwi
Member
Just over an hour to go, thinking im going to speedrun halo 3 Leg first then play some halo 2A campaign.
Gotta take the top spot on the leaderboards.
Gotta take the top spot on the leaderboards.
Sprint ≠ Bad Maps
Do you really think that sprint destroys map design? How are Hologram or Sprint ANYTHING like Jetpack?
samurai1226
Member
What? We know nothing about Halo 5, just vague responses that it will be arena focussed. They even pulled the whole "Halo on Xbox One" thing where they denied every existence of a Halo 2 remake and tried to sell us an Xbox One with teasing Halo 5 for 2014.
Their communication is really weak, they only do damage control when things like Locke is the maincharacter in H5 and ADS in H5 are around.
You do realise that we're getting gameplay tomorrow right? Not many games get a gameplay reveal a year before release.
Also it's good that they're responding to the leaks, most devs probably wouldn't.
Ooh, watch out. "Objective" posts on why sprint is bad incoming.
samurai1226
Member
They have beta next months, they clearly have to start showing smth. Reachs Lone Wolf trailer also released about a year before launch, but Bungie managed to release regular Vidocs. There was no vidoc or real presentation videos for MCC at all while in development.
Like they responded to the MCC leak, right? Or to the Ridley Scott Halo Series leak...
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
Wow HaloGAF went on a posting spree overnight. Moar drama!
If the game and maps are designed with Sprint in mind...we'll see. It's a small issue for me, as long as the rest of the gameplay remains intact.
If the game and maps are designed with Sprint in mind...we'll see. It's a small issue for me, as long as the rest of the gameplay remains intact.
The point of the comparison was about what people liked... not about map design.
30 minutes!
So, so jealous.
Hey, finally got an avatar
HaloGAF went through a lot of shit last night
I wrote a quick summary somewhere around here...Ah, here it is
So, so jealous.
Hey, finally got an avatar
Need something temporary before I find something better.
The size limitation is killing me for linked images. Frankie must be having quite a few drinks tonight; first on hand for the release of MCC, secondly in regards of the reactions of everybody for Halo 5 today.Xzilerate1690
Banned
I've still got a little over 19 hours to go. So jealous of those who're getting it sooner.
BTW does anyone know what time they're streaming the first episode of Nightfall and what time they're showing the new Halo 5 gameplay?
BTW does anyone know what time they're streaming the first episode of Nightfall and what time they're showing the new Halo 5 gameplay?
Xzilerate1690
Banned
What twitch feed are they streaming it from? Halo's or Xbox's?
Is it against the TOS? Y/N?
If not there is no harm in trying! 9 minutes to go though...
i tried it with Destiny. didn't work.
I hope so. some of the stuff is worrying on top of sprint and ADS.
You don't say.
343i said, they are going to design maps arround Sprint for Halo 4. That means, these maps are larger by design. If you'd try most of Halo 4's maps in any other previous Halo game, they would turn out to be large maps and just don't work for 4vs4's.
Jetpack is a different problem, as it breaks aspects of vertical maps.
So are you.
Der Flatulator
Member
Games with motion tracker disabled should still have callouts.
Yes/no?
Yes/no?
I've seen plenty of well thought out posts for and against sprint in Halo.
In the end I think the best way to do it would be to have sprint in larger game modes where it has the most use and keep it out of smaller modes. If there was a more diverse movement system though then maybe it could work in smaller maps as well.
A core aspect of Halo is map traversal right? Well then why not allow more creative ways to get around the map as opposed to just jogging everywhere? Create a great movement system that rewards skillful use and design maps around it so players can approach situations in more ways. If the maps are designed around this movement system then players can come up with ways to counter players and vice versa. It could make for more intense firefights and interesting competitive games as well.
There are these nice things called reveals. I'm glad that they denied the MCC and even just Halo 2 anniversary. It made the announcement all the cooler.
We've been getting a flood of info on the MCC over the past couple months. Halo 5 isn't coming out for another year and the beta is coming up soon with gameplay about to be shown tomorrow. Why would they be telling us tons of info?
You say damage control like it's a bad thing. Damage control is exactly what they need to do. So things don't get blown out of proportion. Did you SEE what this thread turned into when that leak hit? I wasn't around so I got to read it all at once and the salt mines seemed to have exploded! 343 have been very quick to answer a lot of questions.
"Can back that up about sprint and even some AAs like Hologram and the Jetpack."
:/
Good to you've got an avatar now. Nice.
Yeah, my bad about that wording.
It is officially out in NZ, watching a stream now with intense jealousy.
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