funkystudent
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Ok if dude was being sarcastic I apologies for taking jabs.
They are being sarcastic right?
They are being sarcastic right?
But you are going to rubber stamp it as the parity clause's fault when it's pretty obvious the developers never even talked to anyone at Xbox. Okay.You're allowed to make conclusions but I'm not going to rubber stamp it as a moneyhat until there's more information.
I think you're neglecting to remember that the mere idea of the parity clause precluded them from even considering a Microsoft deal, which speaks to how poor Microsoft's mindshare with indie developers is at the moment. Just read chubigans' posts on this subject for some fierce truths directly from an indie.
The guy was active in that huge thread about how the parity clause is hurting devs http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947986
So it was obvious it was sarcasm if you've read about this matter before in this forum.
But you are going to rubber stamp it as the parity clause's fault when it's pretty obvious the developers never even talked to anyone at Xbox. Okay.
If it was Microsoft who offered them "a deal they couldn't reasonably refuse", what's the probability that the thread title would contain the word "moneyhat" instead and that the conversation would be focused on that?
Lol, it's not very "specific" at all, just the way he decided to word it because he probably wasn't thinking about how thousands of console warriors on the Internet were going to insta-parse it from the safety of their pre-existing biases.
Do we not have ample evidence by this point of previous Sony doing deals at this level (small devs) where they have *not* required exclusivity for it? Given that, how can you claim this is so clear cut?
My first reaction was similar to yours, but after looking at AbsintheGames and what they are, I kinda got that it was sarcasm. Shame on you, funkystudent.Ok if dude was being sarcastic I apologies for taking jabs.
They are being sarcastic right?
Don't apologize. I don't get flustered if someone slings stuff our way. I made a tired joke and probably deserve a lashing for my unoriginality ha!Ok if dude was being sarcastic I apologies for taking jabs.
They are being sarcastic right?
I'm not sure where you getting that from. Nothing there suggests they were driven to take the deal with Sony because of the parity clause.
If you were to say that Sony were quick to act and get the game on their platform by way of offering pub funding, which meant that the game fell foul of the ridiculous MS parity clause, that seems like it would be more accurate.
Sure, the parity clause sucks big time but everyone overlooks this:
Mostly because Sony reached out to us with a deal we couldnt reasonably refuse,
Basically, Sony paid them a ton of cash to skip Xbox. This is just as bad IMO.
What?!! The X1 SDK doesnt run VS?They are also other reasons why Indie games are skipping Xbox if you forget the parity clause
Salt and Sanctuary by Ska Studios is skipping xbox due to the system not supporting .NET
That said, it's a testament to the fanaticism of the fanbase that it's almost impossible to make a sarcastic post without being confused for the real apologists. I remember the last parity clause thread had legitimate defenders.
Don't apologize. I don't get flustered if someone slings stuff our way. I made a tired joke and probably deserve a lashing for my unoriginality ha!
What?!! The X1 SDK doesnt run VS?
We never said that. We said launching on PS4 and Vita. It’ll be up to MS to support .NET before we can release for X1. No need to be mean.
You're allowed to make conclusions but I'm personally not going to rubber stamp it as a moneyhat until there's more information out in the wild.
“Mostly because Sony reached out to us with a deal we couldn’t reasonably refuse,”
Delsuional aren't we? Sony put some money on the table, only a naive person would think otherwise.
I'm going to guess that the deal could be a combo of ps+ and given what broforce is.... They probably said here's all our playstation characters, bro force whatever ones you want.
Looking forward to seeing the Bro of war, Nathan broke and a broghast
when is it coming to ps4 I've been waiting for this since PAX EAST last year!
you're happy to all-but stamp it as being because of the parity clause though
That makes no sense at all lol.Looks like it. They wrote that on their official blog
They are also other reasons why Indie games are skipping Xbox if you forget the parity clause
Salt and Sanctuary by Ska Studios is skipping xbox due to the system not supporting .NET
But doesn't that pose a problem for MS if Sony is more proactive about approaching indie devs and MS maintains a policy to where if Sony gets there first, they win full exclusivity of a game because of a parity clause?
It seems silly at this point. MS isn't curating. MS isn't being proactive to reach out. They're just putting mandates out there to try to discourage devs from going with Sony instead of putting out carrots to entice those devs. Beating indie devs with a stick seems like not the right approach for the company that basically brought indie devs to the console table many years ago. But I suppose they were using a stick back then as well, but since they were the only game in town, devs went for it.
The developer himself goes out of his way to throw shade on the parity clause. I'm not sure what drastic leap of logic I'm making here.
Obviously the Sony deal involves having to publicly take jabs at Microsoft when given the chance, duh.The developer himself goes out of his way to throw shade on the parity clause. I'm not sure what drastic leap of logic I'm making here.
the bit where he says 'mostly because of the deal with sony'?
The developer himself goes out of his way to throw shade on the parity clause. I'm not sure what drastic leap of logic I'm making here.
But the developer also goes out of his way to talk about the "deal they couldn't refuse" from Sony...The developer himself goes out of his way to throw shade on the parity clause. I'm not sure what drastic leap of logic I'm making here.
Or they have bigger plans, which will be revealed on Jan 21st that made early .net support irrelevant... Who knows? (wish I did)That MS neglected to offer .NET support is just baffling. Speaks volumes about their original direction before it all blew up in their face...
But the developer also goes out of his way to talk about the "deal they couldn't refuse" from Sony...
Or they have bigger plans, which will be revealed on Jan 21st that made early .net support irrelevant... Who knows? (wish I did)
Which, if you've been following, makes it a de-facto exclusive mostly because Microsoft has shitty policies. This is not the first time this type of situation has occurred.
Or they have bigger plans, which will be revealed on Jan 21st that made early .net support irrelevant... Who knows? (wish I did)
Fast. I reached out after the last thread.Do you mind sharing your experiences with ID@Xbox? It is okay if you can't
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Parallel universe thread whining? What the hell? I'm just pointing out that, by Greenwood's own admission, the game is not coming to Xbox One primarily because they have a deal with Sony. The parity clause was practically only mentioned in passing.
Okay, I see what you're saying. If they have any kind of deal with Sony it awards them de facto exclusivity rights to Sony because of the parity clause.
It's actually only just occurred to me that this clause is kind of doubly stupid on MS's behalf because they're giving Sony defacto exclusivity rights for any games that they offer to help developers with.
I wonder if Sony's business plan takes account of that too.
Might have been a good idea to reveal those bigger plans a year ago, but that's just my take on it.
Will be interesting what happens next week though.
Am I the only one who thinks that having "exceptions" is more fucked up then when the parity clause is enforced for everybody equally. At least when it's enforced for everybody it's fair game for all. I mean you know what happens if you don't release it on the XBO at the same time. But now some can get exceptions, but based on what? The whole situation is just iffy imo.
The clause basically makes it cheaper for Sony to get exclusive games whithout being assholes, I have no doubt they're using that to their advantage as hard as they can.Okay, I see what you're saying. If they have any kind of deal with Sony it awards them de facto exclusivity rights to Sony because of the parity clause.
It's actually only just occurred to me that this clause is kind of doubly stupid on MS's behalf because they're giving Sony defacto exclusivity rights for any games that they offer to help developers with.
I wonder if Sony's business plan takes account of that too.
Parity clause needs to go. It is having the exact opposite effect of it's intention.
Exceptions are way better for Xbox owners than no exceptions. Obviously it would be better to have no parity clause at all. But MS should be willing to give exceptions left and right. As long as some dick in charge is forcing the parity clause to stay, some other person in charge should be leveraging the ability to offer exceptions as much as possible.
Okay, I see what you're saying. If they have any kind of deal with Sony it awards them de facto exclusivity rights to Sony because of the parity clause.
It's actually only just occurred to me that this clause is kind of doubly stupid on MS's behalf because they're giving Sony defacto exclusivity rights for any games that they offer to help developers with.
I wonder if Sony's business plan takes account of that too.
I have a feeling the new CEO has put his rudder in the water and has changed the company's direction over the past several months. Not so sure these kinds of announcements could have been made a year ago because I think this is a direction they weren't headed in Jan 2014.
Shit, calling it Windows 10 might be because Windows 9 was Ballmer's baby and Nadella's tossed it.