Chobel
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Of course they didn't do it to block indies from releasing their games in XB1. The intent was to scare indie devs and force them to not skip releasing first on XB1.
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Broforce skipping XBO due to Parity Clause, and "deal they couldn't refuse" w/ Sony
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Of course they didn't do it to block indies from releasing their games in XB1. The intent was to scare indie devs and force them to not skip releasing first on XB1.
Alkastelca
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As a PS4 owner I'm actually quite happy with this (Microsoft parity clause) : D
That means that developer is instead 100% focused on ps4 version and getting it right. Also porting takes less time since they are doing it just for one platform.
So Microsoft please stand your ground and dont cave in !
And yes I know that I'm being selfish. Sorry xbox owners.
That means that developer is instead 100% focused on ps4 version and getting it right. Also porting takes less time since they are doing it just for one platform.
So Microsoft please stand your ground and dont cave in !
And yes I know that I'm being selfish. Sorry xbox owners.
You do know that they would be in the same situation if they didn't accept Sony's offer right because they are locked out by default because of launching on another console first. Moneyhatting or whatever deals they do don't change it. I mean making deals with Sony was a workaround in the beginning to get around this said clause.
Mr. Giggles
Member
This sucks for XBO owners if this keeps on, I'm sure they'll drop the clause at some point.
From what i've seen and read online, it feels like the strong majority want this clause gone.
From what i've seen and read online, it feels like the strong majority want this clause gone.
I don't think it's possible to scare the people that have more freedom than ever to release on the platforms of their choosing.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Do you think games like Everybodys gone to the rapture is a moneyhat now? I remember you had issues with that game going exclusive
That this particular game is skipping the Xbone is unimportant. However, it's one of a growing legion of games that are doing so, and many of these are citing the Parity Clause. Right now, the only party that's benefiting this clause is Sony as they're getting tons of console exclusives by default. It's extraordinarily self-destructive, but there's no signs it will go away.
You're assuming that Microsoft is forthcoming with that information. They're not. In order for many indies to get answers to all sorts of questions, they have to first sign onto the ID@Xbox program. And if they're coming out on PS4 first, they can't do that.
I think it's pretty clear there are dudes there that care very much about the indie space. Chris Charla will repond if the thread isn't completely one sided. I think the parity clause definitely hurts them and their consumers but I think at this point the management would rather point a finger at devs.
CambriaRising
Member
Well that and Sony has been basically paying for development of Vita ports for a lot of indie games.
You are one insecure console warrior.
Do you honestly believe any of this is Microsoft's attempt to cut down on paying developers for exclusivity and timed exclusivity on games?
Yeah, that's probably exactly what they were going for.
SerTapTap
Member
There's a whole program dedicated to self publishing, some of the stuff they showed at E3 was indie too. They obviously have interest in indies.
Also "indies" includes a lot of things now. Warframe is "indie" on PS4 and Xbox One now, self publishing is an extremely important change in how the game industry works.
Chobel
Member
You know that if the parity clause worked like MS wanted, MS will score many timed exclusive games without even moneyhatting them, since small devs will have to release on XB1 first.
The parity clause is never going to work ever unless there's a huge discrepancy with sales like iOS/android levels of split.
SerTapTap
Member
Yeah, the intent was to get free exclusives. The effect has been the opposite. It is not an admirable clause or intent either way, it puts the burden on indie devs to worry about Xbox's business.
Is it really moneyhatting when Sony is actually paying for the development yet are not taking any extra royalties whatsoever? It's a fantastic deal on the developers end, yet it doesn't mean giving anything else away than a small exclusivity period.
Oh for Christs sake. The pup fund gives funding for indie game with timed exclusivity as payment. The devs can be totally transparent about it and can even mention what other platforms they are going to release on later. You have to be delusional to not see the difference between this and the parity clause.
Mr. Giggles
Member
I think if NMS turns out to be a hit, MS would give an exception..
Veritigo_X
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NMS has a lot of buzz around it. MS would definitely make an exception in their case.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yeah the dev of Axiom Verge has already said the game is coming to PC and its a pubfund game.
Microsoft still tries to bully indie devs one thing they forget is that they are not the market leader anymore.
Solid Samus
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I have no attachment to any of the current-gen consoles or insecurities relating to my choice of plastic game product and yet I can totally agree with his observation. Because it's spot on. Go ahead and continue to pretend otherwise. I think it's kind of funny.
No Mans Sky is probably going to be PS4 exclusive seeing as Sony pored a good amount of money into that game. Still wondering if it'll release on PC.
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We missed you. What happened to the write up you were supposed to work on? Hope you weren't given a cease and desist from Phil Spencer.
Utter perfection. That's been Citadel's modus operandi ever since I came across GAF.
NintenDOMG
Member
What's good in that?
Chobel
Member
Whether it's true or not, his persecution complex comment had absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
Then the game would still be coming on PS4, but a later date. Again, Sony allows the developers to publish the game on any platform and funds the development, taking the risk away from the developers. Microsoft does not do this and if they made a similar deal the game would never be coming PS platforms. Simple as that.
Well this is probably the most surprising headline I've read on here for a while, what the hell!! Perhaps more than any other game this, for me at least, is a pretty visible slap across Microsoft's face. For me when Broforce was mentioned I automatically thought Xbox One.
I don't really have anything else to say about the parity clause, partly because it's all been said before and partly because a developer doing this says far more than I'd ever be able to say. Microsoft will never get more valuable feedback than developers upping tools and walking away and either they learn from it or they don't. It makes no difference to me as a gamer I have both consoles so I could play it on either but it does, or at least it should make a big difference to Microsoft.
I do wonder just how many other developers are thinking of doing the same thing and would jump at the chance if they got a call from Sony.
I don't really have anything else to say about the parity clause, partly because it's all been said before and partly because a developer doing this says far more than I'd ever be able to say. Microsoft will never get more valuable feedback than developers upping tools and walking away and either they learn from it or they don't. It makes no difference to me as a gamer I have both consoles so I could play it on either but it does, or at least it should make a big difference to Microsoft.
I do wonder just how many other developers are thinking of doing the same thing and would jump at the chance if they got a call from Sony.
Sure..
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We missed you. What happened to the write up you were supposed to work on? Hope you weren't given a cease and desist from Phil Spencer.
Utter perfection. That's been Citadel's modus operandi ever since I came across GAF.
Sadly plenty more and not just Citadel. Love for a specific brand goes pretty deep it seems like.
nullpoynter
Member
...or just maybe they couldn't afford to release on both platforms at the same time, and since Sony reached out to them they decided to release their game on PS4 first. It isn't the dev's fault that Microsoft has a clause in play that prevents them from releasing their game on Xbox later. Either way, just because they decided to release on the PS4 first doesn't mean they are paid for exclusivity.
Not really related to the parity clause, but still an XBO question:
I just got a European Xbox One but my XBL account is set to US (because of the cheaper store): Will I be able to redeem the Sunset Overdrive code that came with my EU XBO? I'm getting conflicting information on google.
I just got a European Xbox One but my XBL account is set to US (because of the cheaper store): Will I be able to redeem the Sunset Overdrive code that came with my EU XBO? I'm getting conflicting information on google.
Pub fund is for self-published games. This game is not self-published, it's published by Devolver.
Ultra Numb
Member
Can someone tell me what this "parity clause" is?
Dlacy13g
Member
I am not a fan of the parity clause but in this case based on the developers words it sounds like exclusivity has less to do the clause and more to do with their deal with Sony.
Mostly because Sony reached out to us with a deal we couldnt reasonably refuse, Creative Director Evan Greenwood said to GamingBolt.
So in a nut shell they were locked in with Sony regardless of the clause He comments about the clause to Gamingbolt with little knowledge other than he believes that would be an issue but it seems pretty clear they didn't look into it due to their deal with Sony. We all know MS has softened on that rule with many titles already so I am not sold on Gamingbolts spin the parity clause is as issue.
This is just a Sony deal plain and simple.
Mostly because Sony reached out to us with a deal we couldnt reasonably refuse, Creative Director Evan Greenwood said to GamingBolt.
So in a nut shell they were locked in with Sony regardless of the clause He comments about the clause to Gamingbolt with little knowledge other than he believes that would be an issue but it seems pretty clear they didn't look into it due to their deal with Sony. We all know MS has softened on that rule with many titles already so I am not sold on Gamingbolts spin the parity clause is as issue.
This is just a Sony deal plain and simple.
Death Metalist
Member
*facepalm.gif*
I hope MS is happy lol. I'll get it on PS4.
I hope MS is happy lol. I'll get it on PS4.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Are you really asking this after there have been threads about this issue before? Manpower. Resources. Time.
Dlacy13g
Member
MS has a clause stating that a game must launch first on their system or at the same time as other platforms. I believe this is an ID@Xbox only clause and as we have seen MS is not set in stone with it as they have made more than a few exceptions to it already. Its not a big deal for bigger developers but for the small teams, making simultaneous versions is problematic financially at times.
They've made exceptions already so I don't see why they wouldn't in this case if it was an option.
I don't really see how - the industry has gotten pretty creative about what they give out moneyhats for, beyond just straightforward title exclusivity for some period of time.
Solid Samus
Banned
I guess it is pretty irrelevant
hey, go ahead and believe whatever you think justifies your assumptions about me
my profile and post history speak for themselves
Dlacy13g
Member
And thats the issue with this situation. Bro Force has a deal in place with Sony and that, as they stated, was the main reason they are not coming on X1. " A deal with Sony so good they couldn't refuse". This situation has almost nothing to do with the parity clause and everything to do with a deal made with Sony.
As far as I know, Pub Fund can still be applied even if the developer plans to publish the game through a second party like Devolver.
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