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The Order 1886 Review Thread

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Ferrio

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They don't have to be. But when they're acting like children like everyone else- then it's hard to take them serious. I mean it's already becoming harder and harder to take the gaming community seriously as it is.

Don't give me the bullshit: "It's just video games," it's a freaking multi-billion dollar industry. Not some niche fan hobby.

I still don't understand. If they believe the game is legitimately terrible why is slamming it bad? You afraid it'll hurt the games feelings? The way you put it it sounds like they're calling it doodoo head and stuff.
 

Fox_Mulder

Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
In the event that anyone from RAD is reading...I think you forgot the "game" part of your "video game". Well, if anyone at your company has any brains at all, you'll know to just quit.

here we have a shit post of the month contender
 

system11

Member
I do feel media was just looking forward to hammering this one, they may even have been drooling.

I still don't understand why. The game never advertised itself as anything other than what it is, part of me feels it's backlash against traditional game design because people were foolish enough to believe in 'next gen gameplay'.

The 6's and 7's seem about right, some of the comments made though smell of sticking the boot in for the joy of it. Same thing that happened to Ryse really, but with added vitriol.

I really want some good single player story based games, which aren't open world. Not sure I want this one, but the market is definitely there. MP and open world are instant turnoffs for me now.
 
If you only know half the content then you should fail.

I think it's a little harsh that 60+ is a fail though...

My exam's had a system where the grade boundaries are modified to fit how difficult the exam was. One paper I did had the A* at about 60%...

believe me, from a statistical standpoint it's bad test design. Unless the test is just questioning your ability to memorize and not apply your gained knowledge, you need to have harder questions. If your question-difficulty is too low and you compensate by a higher pass-percentage-mark (like the said 69% instead of 50%) then your data is unreliable because there is too much luck(reading a question or answer wrong for example) involved ...unless of course, you also compensate by having a LOT MORE questions, which is just an incompetent waste of time.
 

meanspartan

Member
People calling for Shuhei to be let go or resign, I really don't think you're seeing this correctly. Sure, you can look at it from the perspective of low reviews for exclusives meaning quality has been down in the first salvos of the Ps4.

But the Ps4 is killing it in sales, and sales for these mediocre scoring games have been good if I am remembering right. Perhaps this won't last and the poor receptions will catch up to them if not corrected soon (Bloodborne let's go!) but it'd be unlikely for him to be fired right now, even if he is a beneficiary of success he had little to do with.

That, and the dude is just likable. That counts for something too.
 

Korten

Banned
I still don't understand. If they believe the game is legitimately terrible why is slamming it bad? You afraid it'll hurt the games feelings? The way you put it it sounds like they're calling it doodoo head and stuff. No other industry is put to the standards you're trying to impose here.

I give up. No one understands anymore. If everyone wants to encourage a environment where cynicism is rewarded and happiness is insulted.

It really is true... Being nice is hard, being angry/hateful is easy.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
That's way too harsh, they have obviously talented folk over there at RAD they just need to focus on other area's as much as they did visuals for this game and they'll be golden.

When life gives you lemons make lemonade. If you get a powerful graphics engine make a great looking game.

Some part of me feels like they were given this massive creative idea or genius idea to make a game like this and it was impressing the team so much that they were fascinated by how good it looks until that took control of the project. Don't quote me on that.

maybe they had a good day with the VO talent. I haven't played it yet, but this is what I think could do anything some harm in an interactive environment. Maybe the mocapping went extremely well and the guys were like, "hey this is pretty good".
 

Tookay

Member
Well, because they're professional. But also because they (Kotaku) usually write weepy stories about how a studio closed, some developers got fired, look they're human! And then to do a 180 and say "ha, you shit on their crappy game" sucks.
What would you have Kotaku's writers do? Be dishonest about their opinions?
 
I hope he stays off twitter/doesn't talk to the press for a while, TB gave some good advice IMO http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skov0u
No offence but TB is in no position to act like a saint considering his past. This tweet was nothing but cringeworthy.

I sure wouldn't want to be one of The Order dev that worked hard on this game for 5 years, only to see all their work getting bashed to hell and beyond within an hour. I genuinely feel sorry for them.
 
In the event that anyone from RAD is reading...I think you forgot the "game" part of your "video game". Well, if anyone at your company has any brains at all, you'll know to just quit.

Lol, holy shit man. RAD is a fine team with a good track record. If anything they can take all this in and re-focus for a new project.
 

jpax

Member
I remember you were so hyped for the game. Great GIF :D

True, sadly the community isn't growing up about it. Instead it's becoming more and more childish. Like when you have a gaming journalism site posting shit like that. Wow. That speaks volumes about how fucked up things are.

This is fucked up?
Not implementing micro transactions into full priced games? Altering the pacing to ensure some players will fall for it?
Slicing a game for day 1 dlc and pre-order bonus?
Or in thus specific case pulling shit like cinematic experience in 30fps and massive black bars?
 
I read through some of this thread and can't help but notice the tone of so much of it is like... excitement that it got the scores it got. I don't get it.

Also, those tweets from the journalists are so cringe worthy my face hurts. That some petty shit.
 

Ray Wonder

Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
In the event that anyone from RAD is reading...I think you forgot the "game" part of your "video game". Well, if anyone at your company has any brains at all, you'll know to just quit.

You should learn to be more respectful. This is their life. They worked hard on it for years. Not liking it is fine, but these petty bullshit insults make you look very, very bad.
 
I do feel media was just looking forward to hammering this one, they may even have been drooling.

I still don't understand why. The game never advertised itself as anything other than what it is, part of me feels it's backlash against traditional game design because people were foolish enough to believe in 'next gen gameplay'.

The 6's and 7's seem about right, some of the comments made though smell of sticking the boot in for the joy of it. Same thing that happened to Ryse really, but with added vitriol.

Some of the reviews do seem rabbid, some seem fair. I guess I won't be able to say any further until I play it. Reviews should always be taken with a grain of salt I suppose. I mean I can't say anything about say the Metro's individual contributers, but I would rate the Metro as a 4/10 quality paper at best. Its free and it is pretty junk.
 
No offence but TB is in no position to act like a saint considering his past. This tweet was nothing but cringeworthy.

I sure wouldn't want to be one of The Order dev that worked hard on this game for 5 years, only to see all their work getting bashed to hell and beyond within an hour. I genuinely feel sorry for them.

? The tweet had some very good advice.
 

Vamphuntr

Member
Well it doesn't seem really surprising. Outside of looking great graphic wise the gameplay didn't look too hot since the first reveal.
 

cakely

Member
In the event that anyone from RAD is reading...I think you forgot the "game" part of your "video game". Well, if anyone at your company has any brains at all, you'll know to just quit.

The poor review scores that "The Order: 1888" has received are a clear indication that the developers both unintelligent and forgetful. Those developers that aren't unintelligent, if there actually are any, should resign.

Did I get that right?
 
No offence but TB is in no position to act like a saint considering his past. This tweet was nothing but cringeworthy.

I sure wouldn't want to be one of The Order dev that worked hard on this game for 5 years, only to see all their work getting bashed to hell and beyond within an hour. I genuinely feel sorry for them.
People with sordid pasts are often in the best position to tell you how to handle something based on their past experiences.
 

botty

Banned
In the event that anyone from RAD is reading...I think you forgot the "game" part of your "video game". Well, if anyone at your company has any brains at all, you'll know to just quit.

don't hold back, jr.
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I give up. No one understands anymore. If everyone wants to encourage a environment where cynicism is rewarded and happiness is insulted.

It really is true... Being nice is hard, being angry/hateful is easy.

No, people want an environment where scepticism is encouraged, and hype is mocked.
 

DNAbro

Member
As I said earlier, if these games are being assigned numerical values, which people place heavy reliance on with regard to their purchasing habits, then it should make sense.

Reviewers using a rating system should lay out what they emphasize as most important and least important. If there are four categories, for example, that a reviewer considers most important and as qualifiers in a final score, then these categories should each be assigned their own values to demonstrate how they're valued.

With that said, it's clear many of these reviewers lament how the game plays or its lack of interactivity (or so they say). Therefore, consider the following example:

On a scale from 1 - 10

Gameplay (40%): 6 (or 16/40)
Visuals (20%): 10 (or 10/10)
Sound (15%): 8 (or 12/15)
Story (15%): 5 (or 7.5/15)

Final Score: 45.5

If I was informed that this was the rationale behind the rating systems for some reviewers, it would make more sense to me since clearly certain aspects of a game are considered more important to them than others (as with gameplay above, for the sake of an example). If not, then get rid of scoring entirely. This would help those who only look at scores understand the differences between their own values and a reviewer's values and adjust for themselves based on what is more important (gameplay, visuals, sound, story, or whatever other category one can mention).

Edit: Using an adjusted version of the above example to match my own criteria, it would look something like this:

On a scale from 1 - 10

Gameplay (25%): 6 (or 15/25)
Visuals (20%): 10 (or 20/20)
Sound (30%): 8 (or 24/30)
Story (25%): 5 (or 12.5/25)

Final Score: 71.5

very few reviewers use averages or something like you are using.
 

Derpyduck

Banned
I do feel media was just looking forward to hammering this one, they may even have been drooling.

I still don't understand why. The game never advertised itself as anything other than what it is, part of me feels it's backlash against traditional game design because people were foolish enough to believe in 'next gen gameplay'.

The 6's and 7's seem about right, some of the comments made though smell of sticking the boot in for the joy of it. Same thing that happened to Ryse really, but with added vitriol.

You're not the first to suggest this, but you're every bit as wrong as everyone else who suggested it. The success of Walking Dead and TLOU illustrates that the press/media are very open to those types of games. The Borderlands story-driven game just released to much higher acclaim than the traditional shooter Borderlands title.
 

kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I do think there's something inherently wrong with games media. Perhaps it's just that reviews are written by underpaid 20-something guys who are more or less in cahoots with the industry to get better paid gigs. Perhaps it's something else. But if there's anything this backlash against a game (that may or may not deserve it, I do still think it'll contribute to the conversation more than certain other games) that I'd like to play it's that it's going to drop in price quicker than most titles this year. And I never pay full-price for games these days so it means I'll enjoy it sooner.
 

Amentallica

Unconfirmed Member
very few reviewers use averages or something like you are using.

But in written form they're lambasting games because of inadequate elements to the game, so might as well use the example I provided, because it's exactly what they're doing in other words. Scoring well in many of the categories only to end up with a lower or very low score in comparison makes no sense. Sure, it may be in writing, but lay out the quantities like that.

Just my two cents.
 
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