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[Wereroku]

That post also doesn't show additional fees and taxes. Looks like he clipped only part of the bill to show.

Yep also doesn't have HD box so no tv guide or HD channels since that is an 11.25 per month fee.

 

[Raistlin]

For what they're offering I can't really see it being that much cheaper. Seems like people are out of touch with the current realties of cable pricing. At $10 - $15 they'd be offering channels like: Action, ScyFy, and MTV2. It won't succeed unless they have the channels people want to watch and Sony isn't getting those channels for free.

Yup.

While there's some room to lower costs since this is removing (or replacing at least) a middleman and can more competitively offer product due to actual competition, the cost of the content is the cost of the content.

There is simply a base cost studios and channels can offer their content if they continue to utilize the same budgets for their shows. Now if the argument is that those costs are simply to high, that's fine ... but it impacts everyone's offerings. And similarly if there's a big user push to lower those budgets, if an when that happens it will impact all providers ... including Sony's offering.

But as it stands, the price can only be so low if you want the content. People seem to really want everything for free or at prices that simply aren't tenable. Studios don't make content for charity, or worse ... for a loss. That's insane to think otherwise.

 

[fedexpeon]

This is a decent deal if you don't want espn. And you guys need to look at cable price. Dvr and hd box fee for multiple rooms are expensive by itself.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

So you pay 62.98 still more than Sony Vue with less features. Guessing you just have a standard set top box and no DVR right? Just depending on the VOD features of the TWC app on roku. You are really hostile about a whole discussion that you started.

No, the cable box has VOD features. Are you that out of touch? On demand, as a service on your cable company provided cable box has been around since like 2001. And Im sorry..I was off by 8 dollars. Want to keep dissecting my cable bill? Or should I screenshot my Con Edision bill, see what Im paying per kilowatt hour (Hint..you might find this in another thread)


The point will always stand. You are not geting ala carte TV without paying 5 to 10 times more than you pay with it bundled inside of a cable package.

 

[spatenfloot]

If they can get Disney/ABC in the basic package for $39.99 with maybe an ESPN tier for another $20, then it could do well enough.

 

[prag16]

Is the website failing for anyone else? When I click "start vueing" or whatever, I'm taking to a totally blank page.

I'm not actually in NY, but cable packages where I live get all the NYC channels, so I'm thinking I'd likely be covered. I cut the cord last year with no real urge to go back on that, but looking into options is always good (though at first glance the value doesn't look particularly fantastic... not awful, but not fantastic).

 

[Lynn616]

Like I said in the Sling thread, my bandwidth cap makes this useless.

 

[AmuroChan]

Like I said...your entire argument is irrelevant. You're the one who started off responding to me with the idiotic statement that anyone who cant get your imaginary deal is somehow a "moron". Lol I know plenty of people in NYC paying $150-$200 a month. Your claims smell of horseshit. Simple as that. I'm suddenly remembering why NYC is a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there, dude.

Hey now, not all of us in NYC are like that. I'm very nice to tourists.

 

[Raistlin]

Isn't that what drove most people to Netflix and Hulu in the first place? Less, more focused content at a much cheaper price?

Large bundles of television channels at a high price isn't innovative by any means. Cloud DVR is neat to be sure and the UI is clean, but the content being offered isn't any different from cable TV, just less.

Again, if someone wants an alternative to their current cable package then Vue seems like something they should look at, but if they've cut cable because of useless channels at high prices than this isn't offering them anything they haven't seen before.

For some, yes. But I think the biggest reason for Netflix's success, by far, was that it's on-demand and can be used for binge-watching.

While this doesn't truly offering binge watching to that level (seems to be a limit of a month worth of any particular show?), it being easily searchable and on-demand tickles a very similar itch.

 

[Memorabilia]

You have to call up their retention department and whine. I pulled off something like this guy was saying for $45/mo for a while a few years ago (albeit with only showtime and no other premium channels). These deals are generally limited timeframe, so you have to keep calling back to badger them.

It's very much a YMMV situation though, and you might have to get pretty pushy and threaten to cancel multiple times. So for him to say "you're an idiot if you don't have this" is definitely on the harsh side if not downright hostile/trollish.

Well, thats not exactly the same thing as a deal thats available everywhere all over the country for $55 a month, which is what he was implying. Regional monopolies mean that entire populations only have access to certain services and the prices are generally 2-4 X higher.

 

[nikos]

Watching now. Seems ver nice so far!

Will post impressions later.

 

[Wereroku]

No, the cable box has VOD features. Are you that out of touch? On demand, as a service on your cable company provided cable box has been around since like 2001. And Im sorry..I was off by 8 dollars. Want to keep dissecting my cable bill? Or should I screenshot my Con Edision bill, see what Im paying per kilowatt hour (Hint..you might find this in another thread)


The point will always stand. You are not geting ala carte TV without paying 5 to times more than you pay with it bundled inside of a cable package.

Dude stop getting so testy you are the one that said anyone paying 100 bucks for cable are morons even though yours isn't as cheap as you claim and are missing many features people want.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

You might want to take a second look at your cable bill...

You might want to check my response.

Like I said...your entire argument is irrelevant. You're the one who started off responding to me with the idiotic statement that anyone who cant get your imaginary deal is somehow a "moron". Lol I know plenty of people in NYC paying $150-$200 a month. Your claims smell of horseshit. Simple as that. I'm suddenly remembering why NYC is a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there, dude.

Aint no claim, someone found my post that has my cable bill. And you can read further down to see the adjustments.

 

[Elandyll]

Well I live in NYC, thats how we have it. Sorry bro.

So you call people morons for not having access to the same deals you do?

Right.

 

[benicillin]

Like I said in the Sling thread, my bandwidth cap makes this useless.

This is going to be the biggest barrier to adoption by far. I predict that we're going to see a lot of problems with Comcast and other ISPs if services like this take off. I'm lucky to live in a place where I can get a full 1Gb up/down with no data caps, I hope that fiber adoption across the country really takes off.

 

[Bgamer90]

Like I said in the Sling thread, my bandwidth cap makes this useless.

Another good point. Happy that I don't have to deal with that.

 

[Memorabilia]

Hey now, not all of us in NYC are like that. I'm very nice to tourists.

Oh I know. ~ My first true love is a New Yorker. Great gal I still visit time to time. Love the city too. Truly do. Its just a different pace and mentality from the Northwest. I "steel" myself & flip into "smile and take no shit" mode when I fly in... Hehehe

 

[Lemondish]

Low tier price is cheaper than my cable service.

And includes some channels I actually would love to have but can't.

Despite my avatar, I'm a resident of the great state of Comcast New Hampshire where they hold a virtual monopoly on every single apartment complex, past, present, and future.

This is a good start for me.

Now, if Sony provides a "PlayStation All Access" that bundles all these services (Plus, Vue, Now, Music) together for a cheaper bundled price, I'd be all over that shit.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

$50 flat a month with no extra box for DVR, no hidden fees, no 2 year contract, no price changes after your introduction price, no state or federal fees, no access fees etc sounds damn good to me.

There is no cable provider who will offer you this price flat. The reactions in here are over the top when you really take a look at Comcast and see how something as small as 20 channels are definitely not the price they advertise. Don't get me started on the X1 laggy platform and user interface. This is a much better deal than what's out there.

 

[TalonJH]

Pricing is better than I thought It would be honestly. I may check it out at some point when it is in my area.

 

[benicillin]

Low tier price is cheaper than my cable service.

And includes some channels I actually would love to have but can't.

Despite my avatar, I'm a resident of the great state of Comcast New Hampshire where they hold a virtual monopoly on every single apartment complex, past, present, and future.

This is a good start for me.

Now, if Sony provides a "PlayStation All Access" that bundles all these services (Plus, Vue, Now, Music) together for a cheaper bundled price, I'd be all over that shit.

Between Fairpoint and Comcast I don't know how New Hampshire survives.

 

[RedAssedApe]

sony pls support bluetooth remotes

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I saw this on the Google app store.



How well does it work?

Another question is, how are people cord cutting? I have Comcast and it is cheaper to get tv/internet than to get internet by itself. It is so frustrating.

That sounds like Sling TV which I'm subscribed to. Here's and example

Unlike a DVR you can't actually record any shows but on certain channels they allow you pause, rewind, fast forward and go back to past aired shows. The first highlighted box shows the current channel you are on, the second highlighted box below it shows the current show that's on, to the right of the box are upcoming shows and to the left are past aired shows which you can go back to and watch when ever you want.

I have Comcast as well, I pay $65 for just their internet service and also have SlingTV, Hulu+ and Netflix ($36), along with an antenna to get my local channels. I don't know if it would cheaper if I bundled but suspect that it is.

 

[Qblivion]

wake me up when they get cartoon network and fox sports

 

[DarkConfidant]

No Disney?! :'(

 

[Grady]

No amc, no deal. Hulu still covers abc, nbc, fox, cbs etc. Netflix gets all amc shows down the line. For 20 bucks with those 2 services i still get just as much if not more. 50 bucks is too steep imo.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

Dude stop getting so testy you are the one that said anyone paying 100 bucks for cable are morons even though yours isn't as cheap as you claim and are missing many features people want.

So I pay 62 dollars.
I have every channel in Vue plus 200 more...none of which I'll watch but it does include ESPN
I have actual HBO and all of its channels not the 15 dollar access to its On Demand Now thing.
I have Showtime and all of its channels.
Instead of paying for extra boxes I invested in rokus for our bedroom and office.
I have VOD for every channel within my cable package which is the same as a DVR in my opinion.

What features does VUe have that Im not getting? Seems like Im doing okay for 62 bucks a month off contract..Ive had TWC for 5 years. I dont jump between promo plans, not worth the effort.

 

[Memorabilia]

You might want to check my response.



Aint no claim, someone found my post that has my cable bill. And you can read further down to see the adjustments.

Why are you still arguing about this? Your deal is not applicable to the VAST majority of Americans and certainly no one outside your city/region. Calling up to threaten leaving a service & combining that with perpetual promo deals doesn't work for most and/or isn't consistent from one cable provider to another. Comcast simply doesn't offer a deal including those channels for anything less than $120/month in the Northwest. So, your initial statement calling others idiots for not taking advantage of this deal you take advantage of is the height of ignorance. It doesn't apply to most people. Time to move on, jack.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

Why are you still arguing about this? Your deal is not applicable to the VAST majority of Americans and certainly no one outside your city/region. Calling up to threaten leaving a service & combining that with perpetual promo deals doesn't work for most and/or isn't consistent from one cable provider to another. Comcast simply doesn't offer a deal including those channels for anything less than $120/month in the Northwest. So, your initial statement calling others idiots for not taking advantage of this deal you take advantage of is the height of ignorance. It doesn't apply to most people. Time to move on, jack.

Sorry to hear that.
Paying that much for television is very dumb and I wouldnt do it either. So we are on the same side, chico.

But..dont hold your breath for ala carte TV at a reasonable price. This was my original and more important point.
If this ever happens you are going to be paying A LOT of money per channel.

 

[TalonJH]

No amc, no deal. Hulu still covers abc, nbc, fox, cbs etc. Netflix gets all amc shows down the line. For 20 bucks with those 2 services i still get just as much if not more. 50 bucks is too steep imo.

Wait, what current CBS shows are on Hulu? My wife and I have to go to the (CBS) website to watch them because Hulu directs you there similar to what they do with MTV.

 

[Wereroku]

So I pay 62 dollars.
I have every channel in Vue plus 200 more...none of which I'll watch but it does include ESPN
I have actual HBO and all of its channels not the 15 dollar access to its On Demand Now thing.
I have Showtime and all of its channels.
Instead of paying for extra boxes I invested in rokus for our bedroom and office.
I have VOD for every channel within my cable package which is the same as a DVR in my opinion.

What features does VUe have that Im not getting? Seems like Im doing okay for 62 bucks a month off contract..Ive had TWC for 5 years. I dont jump between promo plans, not worth the effort.

Well VOD is not DVR so you are not getting DVR. Also unless you have an HD box you aren't getting HD or a guide on at least one of your TV's. You are paying additional taxes and fees that you are not including that would bring your 62 up higher. You can't watch it outside of your home on a mobile device like Vue will offer shortly. I am not saying you would be better off with Vue or without I am just saying you shouldn't shit on people who pay 100 bucks for cable when you only avoid it by having no HD boxes, 1 sd box, and TWC has a robust online app.

 

[Memorabilia]

Like I said in the Sling thread, my bandwidth cap makes this useless.

Just out of curiosity, where do you live? Who is your ISP? What's your data cap?

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

Well VOD is not DVR so you are not getting DVR. Also unless you have an HD box your aren't getting HD or a guide on at least one of your TV's. You are paying additional taxes and fees that you are not including that would bring your 62 up higher. You can't watch it outside of your home on a mobile device like Vue will offer shortly. I am not saying you would be better off with Vue or without I am just saying you shouldn't shit on people who pay 100 bucks for cable when you only avoid it by having no HD boxes, 1 sd box, and TWC has a robust online app.

VOD is DVR to me. Show airs, I look for it the next day, there it is. I look for a show from 9 weeks ago, there it is

Lol, you think I go through all that trouble to have a Standard Defintion box. C'mon son, look at my name.

I can use thr TWC app on the Roku and it has guides and menus and on demand.

I can be anywhere and use the TWC app on my ipad or phone and watch TV

-EDIT-
You want to keep making a poor uninformed case? Or are you satisified with my setup, options and price?

 

[Give War A Chance]

SlingTV seems a billion times better, in both price and selection. Not a terrible first crack at it, and it will evolve with the times, but not really necessary or solving any problems as of right now. Bandwidth caps makes me immediately shoot both of these down though. Once Google Fiber gets to Atlanta, I'll take another look.

 

[TalonJH]

wake me up when they get cartoon network and fox sports

Wake up.

 

[cyberheater]

As someone who lives in the UK. This seems pretty decent to me.

 

[Marty Chinn]

SlingTV seems a billion times better, in both price and selection.

Less channels, single stream, and no DVR. I'm not sure how that's exactly a billion times better.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

I play less than this for the tv portion of my fios sub.

 

[Megatron]

Jesus. That price. I might as well just stick with Comcast and actually get espn/abc.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

I play less than this for the tv portion of my fios sub.

Better not tell them how much and where you live because Sherlock Holmes will be outside taking a meter reading.

 

[Memorabilia]

Sorry to hear that.
Paying that much for television is very dumb and I wouldnt do it either. So we are on the same side, chico.

But..dont hold your breath for ala carte TV at a reasonable price. This was my original and more important point.
If this ever happens you are going to be paying A LOT of money per channel.

Alright we called a truce! Hot damn, this calls for a celebratory drink. A little early to start in my neck of the woods, but I'll tip one back for ya later.

As for the dream of ala carte...well, you may be right there. The content providers and delivery providers got people by the short n curlies due primarily to aforementioned monopolies/duopolies and the fact the government is bought and paid for by those same companies. The gov basically stopped prosecuting anti-trust in any meaningful way in the 80s under Reagan & no administration since has bothered to correct that major problem. So we are where we are. Very little choice. Tons of price collusion. Thats why disruptive services like Netflix are so exciting. We can see a glimmer of hope. I think you may be wrong that we will never get ala carte at all. It wont happen through cable or satellite packages. It'll happen when all services simply cut out the middle man and offer streaming. If HBO Now is successful it'll help light the way for others.

Edit: I'll leave it up to the individual whether or not HBO Now is worth the $14.99/month. Personally, I'd pay that in a heartbeat. Add it to my $8/month for Netflix. Give me AMC for $5/month. ESPN for $5-$7/month. And I'm set. Thats ~$35/month total and honestly all I care to ever watch.

 

[Wereroku]

VOD is DVR to me. Show airs, I look for it the next day, there it is. I look for a show from 9 weeks ago, there it is

Lol, you think I go through all that trouble to have a Standard Defintion box. C'mon son, look at my name.

I can use thr TWC app on the Roku and it has guides and menus and on demand.

I can be anywhere and use the TWC app on my ipad or phone and watch TV

-EDIT-
You want to keep making a poor uninformed case? Or are you satisified with my setup, options and price?

Then please tell me how you are getting a free HD cable box when TWC says they cost 11.25 a month that is not included on your bill. Are you counting just getting it through the TWC app?

 

[Exile20]

That sounds like Sling TV which I'm subscribed to. Here's and example



Unlike a DVR you can't actually record any shows but on certain channels they allow you pause, rewind, fast forward and go back to past aired shows. The first highlighted box shows the current channel you are on, the second highlighted box below it shows the current show that's on, to the right of the box are upcoming shows and to the left are past aired shows which you can go back to and watch when ever you want.

I have Comcast as well, I pay $65 for just their internet service and also have SlingTV, Hulu+ and Netflix ($36), along with an antenna to get my local channels. I don't know if it would cheaper if I bundled but suspect that it is.

Thanks for posting tho. It is not traditional DVR and it is not on every channel but it seems like a good replacement.

 

[Kill3r7]

I play less than this for the tv portion of my fios sub.

Yes. The problem is that fios is not available everywhere. Also, 3 boxes would bring up the cost significantly.

As someone who already cut the cord, neither slingtv nor Vue are all that great. For the price of Vue I could have kept cable and saved more money. I'll continue to wait for a better option.

 

[LX_Theo]

GAF Overreacts: The Thread Part 2617162718

 

[Raistlin]

VOD is DVR to me. Show airs, I look for it the next day, there it is. I look for a show from 9 weeks ago, there it is

The problems with VOD from most providers:

* Not all networks utilize it
* Within supported networks, not all shows are available
* Not always an HD feed
* Not always in surround
* Overly compressed versus the original broadcast
* Inconsistent how many back episodes are available - is up to the content provider​

Your above is an incorrect generalization. Either you only watch a few shows and have lucked out, or you're being very disingenuous.

-EDIT-
You want to keep making a poor uninformed case? Or are you satisified that with my setup, options and price?

You want to keep making a poor uninformed if not disingenuous case?

 

[leobebes]

$50 flat a month with no extra box for DVR, no hidden fees, no 2 year contract, no price changes after your introduction price, no state or federal fees, no access fees etc sounds damn good to me.

There is no cable provider who will offer you this price flat. The reactions in here are over the top when you really take a look at Comcast and see how something as small as 20 channels are definitely not the price they advertise. Don't get me started on the X1 laggy platform and user interface. This is a much better deal than what's out there.

I don't find the interface on the X1 laggy at all. Sure, there has been a few hiccups with Sling, but they just pushed out an update. It's pretty impressive that just 24 hours after release there's already an update that addressed some of the issues yesterday.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...315&authkey=!ACYqjqV8i-m3j74&ithint=video,mp4

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Who really needs that Disney/Marvel stuff anyway....

 

[Wereroku]

I don't find the interface on the X1 laggy at all. Sure, there has been a few hiccups with Sling, but they just pushed out an update. It's pretty impressive that just 24 hours after release there's already an update that addressed some of the issues yesterday.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...315&authkey=!ACYqjqV8i-m3j74&ithint=video,mp4

I think he means comcasts X1 box which is apparently a pile of shit. Not the XB1.

 

[Ludist210]

Sling is garbage though. No local feeds, no DVR functionality.

They really do need Disney on board though.

If you have a decent antenna, you get all of your locals (NBC, Fox, ABC, CBS, PBS). I get 22 channels with an indoor antenna and I don't live in the best service area (I live right beside a mountain). You can get a good one for around $20.

But I do agree that the dealbreaker for Sony is the lack of Disney/ESPN. Sling TV has that for $20, and that's really not a bad price for 20ish channels out of the box. Since my wife rarely watches TV and I only watch when my daughter is in bed, we don't need more than one steam going at once (plus we have locals on our antenna).