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Halo Lore Thread

First chapter of New Blood done. And... huh.
- Buck, Romeo, and Mickey are Spartans
- on a mission to save Virgil and the girl from the ODST data packs from Rebels
- Romeo and Mickey turn out to be working for the Rebels at the end of the chapter.

Too early to decide if I dig the direction. Buck's tone is pretty good, but a few big words I can't see him saying. But I'm enjoying reading it so far.
 

Starkster

Neo Member
First chapter of New Blood done. And... huh.
- Buck, Romeo, and Mickey are Spartans
- on a mission to save Virgil and the girl from the ODST data packs from Rebels
- Romeo and Mickey turn out to be working for the Rebels at the end of the chapter.

Too early to decide if I dig the direction. Buck's tone is pretty good, but a few big words I can't see him saying. But I'm enjoying reading it so far.

Don't forget the fact that
SPARTAN forces that were deployed on Talitsa used the Wetwork armour exclusively. Wetwork is primarily associated with Delta Six, so Buck, Romeo and Mickey are under Dare's command as ONI operatives?
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Nice way to end chapter 1.

I see though for the audiobook they didn't get Fillion. Missed opportunity I say.

Yeah, but it's also a novella. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth it since this book isn't going to get the same widespread release.

Very interesting direction they're going, I know there's going to be wails of ODST-lovers because "now they're lame Spartans!" but that's just the way of the world.

Definitely interested in seeing how the character interplay shakes up.

And also it seems like the UNSC has a serious defection problem at this point. Doesn't take too many betrayals or spies to effectively corrode your fighting force.
 
Yeah, but it's also a novella. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth it since this book isn't going to get the same widespread release.

Very interesting direction they're going, I know there's going to be wails of ODST-lovers because "now they're lame Spartans!" but that's just the way of the world.

Definitely interested in seeing how the character interplay shakes up.

And also it seems like the UNSC has a serious defection problem at this point. Doesn't take too many betrayals or spies to effectively corrode your fighting force.

A lot of it's probably down to the UNSC never really ceding authority back to the UEG; that's the sort of thing that can rub people the wrong way :p
 

Toa TAK

Banned
Yeah, but it's also a novella. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth it since this book isn't going to get the same widespread release.

Very interesting direction they're going, I know there's going to be wails of ODST-lovers because "now they're lame Spartans!" but that's just the way of the world.

Definitely interested in seeing how the character interplay shakes up.

And also it seems like the UNSC has a serious defection problem at this point. Doesn't take too many betrayals or spies to effectively corrode your fighting force.

Yeah, that was fun to see first thing in the book. =(

Ah well, I'm already here, and I like Buck like anyone else, so it'll be an interesting read nonetheless.

The Politics of the Halo Universe continue to be interesting, though.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
A lot of it's probably down to the UNSC never really ceding authority back to the UEG; that's the sort of thing that can rub people the wrong way :p

According to Catalog, they did. Of course I think it's one of those things where the theory and reality of the situation are at cross-purposes.

We, or Americans, at least, take it as a given that civilian control of the military works. That's not how history has often worked, and I don't think after decades the UNSC would be so willing to cede ground, especially as there are still enemies to fight.

4 chapters in. Get some nice bits between Dare and Buck. I feel like part of the problem with the dialogue is that it's very much channeling ODST Buck, and ODST was full of a lot of noir-ish stuff that probably comes off as weird if out of place and used too much.
 

Fathead

Member
Just finished it. Playing ODST again is gonna be.....different. I'm not sure how I feel about the way some of the characters ended up.
 
Halo: New Blood
Well, that was interesting. Good Audiobook by Scott Brick too, though I can't say I'm not a little disappointed they didn't try to get Nathan Fillion to read it.

So it looks like the UNSC has a real problem with defection on their hands at this point in the timeline... They were hinting at it in the Kilo-Five Trilogy, but this is really bringing it to light. Playing ODST again will definitely feel weird knowing the Mickey is a defector and the Rookie is dead. Love that Jun is still alive since that means we will have the chance of seeing him in the future
 
Halo: Broken Circle
Well, that was interesting. Good Audiobook by Scott Brick too, though I can't say I'm not a little disappointed they didn't try to get Nathan Fillion to read it.

So it looks like the UNSC has a real problem with defection on their hands at this point in the timeline... They were hinting at it in the Kilo-Five Trilogy, but this is really bringing it to light. Playing ODST again will definitely feel weird knowing the Mickey is a defector and the Rookie is dead.

Do you mean New Blood? Broken Circle was the Covenant focused novel.
 
Do you mean New Blood? Broken Circle was the Covenant focused novel.
Yep, I caught it immediately after I hit the submit button. Had the Audible app set to Broken Circle after New Blood finished, forgot I had switched it to read the summary then typed in Broken Circle in the post
 
Yep, I caught it immediately after I hit the submit button. Had the Audible app set to Broken Circle after New Blood finished, forgot I had switched it to read the summary then typed in Broken Circle in the post

All good in the hood.

Yeah I actually really enjoyed New Blood. Hope they keep the quality coming
and make Escalation not terrible.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
All good in the hood.

Yeah I actually really enjoyed New Blood. Hope they keep the quality coming
and make Escalation not terrible.

Escalation isn't terrible IMO, poor art aside. The Didact storyline is the only one I felt was truly weak, but most of it I've enjoyed.
 
I liked Halo lore until the reveal that humans used to be as advanced as the Forerunners and were at war with them but were chosen as reclaimners after they kicked their asses back to the stone age.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
I liked Halo lore until the reveal that humans used to be as advanced as the Forerunners and were at war with them but were chosen as reclaimners after they kicked their asses back to the stone age.
So basically until 343i took over? :p

I feel the same, but there is nothing I can do about it. :(
 

Glass

Member
Yeah the ancient humans is still a sticking point for me. Part of it being how it was barely mentioned in 4s campaign. Like shouldn't it be some earth shaking revelation?

I think I prefer my lore nice and simple. New Blood was great, aside from the way too long ODST recap. The end is definitely hinting at who we'll be seeing in 5s campaign right?
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Eh, I like the ancient humans thing. Works better thematically with the stuff they've set up around the Mantle.

I also think it is a more interesting wrinkle than the usual "oh, humanity! They is special!"-centric world of sci-fi, which even Bungie was pushing when the implication was the humanity was directly related to the Forerunners.
 
I also think it is a more interesting wrinkle than the usual "oh, humanity! They is special!"-centric world of sci-fi, which even Bungie was pushing when the implication was the humanity was directly related to the Forerunners.

That too.

Plus, "we were the precursors" is kind of tired at this point.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
I feel the opposite, when it comes to that stuff. "We came from aliens/or part of a lineage of others" isn't that much more interesting especially when we've seen the kind of people the Forerunners were. Their universe and world is interesting, but like almost everyone else in the Halo lore, they themselves are ultimately boring characters.

And then they opened up a can of BS with geas and so forth and that's a bigger offense to me than anything else in the story.

Also, I have personally never been one to really care about the Forerunners. I liked the mystery to them and seeing the universe fight over their lost tech, but never once was I really interested in their past, mainly because there was more going on in the present.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I feel the opposite, when it comes to that stuff. "We came from aliens/or part of a lineage of others" isn't that much more interesting especially when we've seen the kind of people the Forerunners were. Their universe and world is interesting, but like almost everyone else in the Halo lore, they themselves are ultimately boring characters.

And then they opened up a can of BS with geas and so forth and that's a bigger offense to me than anything else in the story.

Also, I have personally never been one to really care about the Forerunners. I liked the mystery to them and seeing the universe fight over their lost tech, but never once was I really interested in their past, mainly because there was more going on in the present.

Well, that to me is the issue 343 or anyone who was going to take over and continue Halo were going to face. The more I think about it, the more I think you can distill Bungie's storytelling down to "let's throw some random stuff in here and let people draw their own conclusions." Bungie didn't flesh in a lot of details, they let players explore and suggest theories. That's great, but it's not conducive to furthering the universe. At some point you have to start answering some questions—but that does risk alienating the people who came up with their head-canon to fill it in before you, or else just *liked* that sense of mystery.

I understand that point of view, but there's never going to be another opportunity for me to step out of that lifeboat, to creep through that swamp, to claw my way out of the Flood's clutches. That experience happened, and was novel, and I can't keep chasing it. 343 shouldn't be trying to either.

The geas stuff, I understand people not liking, because Bear's work is very different from the more grounded military sci-fi roots of Halo, but I also think it was necessary—I imagine Nylund doing the Forerunner Trilogy and having them come off as utterly pedestrian and familiar, which would defeat the whole point. If those Forerunner trilogy points don't get adequately contextualized when they're used in the future games or books, I can be upset then, but I'm not going to put the cart before the horse.

(Ironically the whole concept of "gene memories" is actually looking less like pseudoscience magic the more we learn. Hell, Lamarckian evolutionary theory has been partially validated recently, and even when I was in AP Bio we were taught it was a load of crock.)
 
More Halo novels announced:

2015 Halo Print Publishing – 343 Industries, Simon & Schuster

Halo: New Blood by New York Times bestselling author Matt Forbeck – a digital-first short novel released on March 2, 2015, ON SALE NOW!

Halo: Hunters in the Dark by New York Times bestselling author Peter David – a full-length novel on sale June 16, 2015

Halo: Saint’s Testimony by 343 Industries Franchise Development Director Frank O’Connor – a digital single on sale July 27, 2015

Halo: Last Light by New York Times bestselling author Troy Denning – a full-length novel on sale September 7, 2015

Halo: Shadow of Intent by New York Times bestselling author Joseph Staten – a digital-first novella on sale December 7, 2015!

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/canon-fodder-novel-ideas
 
GRIM: Any cryptic final words for the fans?

FRANK: Everything you read this year is soil from which surprises will spring, many of them in Halo 5. I just watched a cinematic that made me tear up a little. But also made me proud of the scope of the worlds our writers and authors have helped build. And there’s lots more to come.

Stinkles pls N thx
 

Toa TAK

Banned
Halo: Shadow of Intent by New York Times bestselling author Joseph Staten – a digital-first novella on sale December 7, 2015![/URL]

This is all I care about. Contact Harvest is still my favorite Halo novel, and it's great to see him come back to the Universe in some way.
 
This is all I care about. Contact Harvest is still my favorite Halo novel, and it's great to see him come back to the Universe in some way.

So very excited for this as well. Contact Harvest was fantastic. I'm glad to see he's back to working on Halo in any kind of capacity.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
O'Connor's writing is pretty solid too, so glad he's getting another whack. Staten is good too, and Peter David is an awesome writer. Doing a Halo book is a far better use of his talents than a comic.

Awesome stuff coming down the pipes, it looks like...
 
O'Connor's writing is pretty solid too, so glad he's getting another whack. Staten is good too, and Peter David is an awesome writer. Doing a Halo book is a far better use of his talents than a comic.

Awesome stuff coming down the pipes, it looks like...

The latter half of this year is going to be the largest amount of New Halo lore dropped all in within the same year, I think. This is balls-out fantastic.

*tucks balls back in before going to slipspace*
 
I really have to catch up. I try to collect all things related to Halo's lore. Novels, comics, art books, guides. I'm like two to three years behind right now.
 
I feel the opposite, when it comes to that stuff. "We came from aliens/or part of a lineage of others" isn't that much more interesting especially when we've seen the kind of people the Forerunners were. Their universe and world is interesting, but like almost everyone else in the Halo lore, they themselves are ultimately boring characters.

And then they opened up a can of BS with geas and so forth and that's a bigger offense to me than anything else in the story.

Also, I have personally never been one to really care about the Forerunners. I liked the mystery to them and seeing the universe fight over their lost tech, but never once was I really interested in their past, mainly because there was more going on in the present.

I love the addition of genesongs and descendant predestinations. It takes what was already a solid sci-fi tale and cranked it up ten notches to some really really hard sci-fi.

Also, FYI... Wall-o-texts incoming soon. I've been encouraged to post my crazy wild man plot studies here. Gotta do some editing and whatnot,and then I shall return. ;D
 

Detective

Member
Am here :)

Am wondering how/Where the forerunners get the technology from. Did they build it by them self? Also the humans.

Was the war between these two because of who will run the galaxy as guardians?

I know now that the composer is meant to slave the humans and making Prometheans. Was it to fight against Humans?

Thanks to you guys Now I know that the precursors was harmless species and was not ready to war. And They are the one who created the Humans and the Forerunners, But at different places far from each other, Right?

Why did the forerunners rebels against the Precursors? Was it because they chose the humans as guardians?

Man, Am really sorry if my questions are boring. Dont roll your eyes :p

Did any of you lost interest in the Forerunners after they way the were presented in Halo 4? They were always the mystery that drove Halo to me. And the reveal trailer when the didact said: The forerunners have returned. That was awesome. But When I saw how the looked, And how the Didact looked. I was like meh.. i liked them more in Halo legends. Are there any known species beside those we already talked about and seen in games?
 
Did any of you lost interest in the Forerunners after they way the were presented in Halo 4? They were always the mystery that drove Halo to me. And the reveal trailer when the didact said: The forerunners have returned. That was awesome. But When I saw how the looked, And how the Didact looked. I was like meh.. i liked them more in Halo legends. Are there any known species beside those we already talked about and seen in games?

The UrDidact is a bit deformed/mutated from his attempts to reverse-engineer the effects of the Flood by means of the Composer's tech. The IsoDidact, his imprinted clone/descendent, will look a bit different.
 
Am here :)

Am wondering how/Where the forerunners get the technology from. Did they build it by them self? Also the humans.

Was the war between these two because of who will run the galaxy as guardians?

I know now that the composer is meant to slave the humans and making Prometheans. Was it to fight against Humans?

Thanks to you guys Now I know that the precursors was harmless species and was not ready to war. And They are the one who created the Humans and the Forerunners, But at different places far from each other, Right?

Why did the forerunners rebels against the Precursors? Was it because they chose the humans as guardians?

Man, Am really sorry if my questions are boring. Dont roll your eyes :p

Did any of you lost interest in the Forerunners after they way the were presented in Halo 4? They were always the mystery that drove Halo to me. And the reveal trailer when the didact said: The forerunners have returned. That was awesome. But When I saw how the looked, And how the Didact looked. I was like meh..

-They mostly built it by themselves; a lot of it is built on Precursor tech, though.

-Not exactly. The war between Humans and Forerunners started when Humanity appeared and started attacking and seizing surrounding worlds (including Forerunner ones), apparently without provocation. It was later discovered that this was Humanity trying to get somewhere to evacuate people away from the Flood, who they were locked in conflict with at the time. The Forerunners retaliated, and eventually beat down Humanity. In the meanwhile, however, the humans had (apparently) managed to "cure" the flood, and refused to share their secrets upon defeat. This is important later on.

-Nope. The Composer was meant to produce uninfectable warriors to fight the Flood. The first Prometheans were actually the Didact's personal guard.

-The Forerunners rebelled because the Precursors revoked the Mantle of Responsibility from them, judging them unworthy. I don't think humanity was involved at that point.

As for the last bit, while I think the "return" of the Forerunners could have been much better handled, I still enjoy their lore. The Greg Bear books are excellent, and flesh them out a great deal. I think that if the series was going to have to continue, we'd have to learn more about them eventually, and what they've presented is pretty great.
 
Bear with my rollercoaster thought process here...

[Stream Alpha]: Origin

Cortana is a highly advanced AI- that is not a disputed fact. She was created via a cloned brain of Catherine Halsey. In fact, the brain used for the procedure was one of several cloned brains (in total, Halsey had cloned herself numerous times). Out of the total number of clones, only four were allowed to survive. Due to genetic defects or other abnormalities, the others were incinerated, to be forever erased as evidence of what she had done (and, on a more selfish angle, because they were unsuitable and unusable to Halsey's end-goals). Out of the remaining four, which were designated H-1, H-2. H-3 and H-4, three were cryogenically frozen to be saved for later purposes.* The cloned-brain designated H-1 was used to create Cortana.

The reasons for needing a cloned brain is because of the deadly nature of the procedure of AI creation. The host brain, once expended, would perish, thus killing the individual it belonged to. In order for Halsey to create the type of highly advanced AI that she was seeking, she needed to have something less...morally heavy to make use of, despite its illegal implications.**

So Cortana was created using the H-1 cloned-brain of Catherine Halsey.***



* The "later" and "purposes" are, as of current time, unclear. Also unknown, is if they are still in existence in a hidden location, or if Halsey abandoned them or later destroyed them as well.

** "No living human's brain may be used as an AI matrix seed (the ultra-deep personality scans destory the organic substrate." - Halsey's Journal, May 21, 2549.

*** If H-1 was as powerful and functional as it was to create Cortana, one must wonder just how advanced H-2, H-3 and H-4 were, to be kept for later functions. Are these other three cloned-brains on equal footing with Cortana, or are they perhaps somewhat or far superior in intellect? Will we ever know?
 
[Stream Beta]: Knowledge Is Power; Knowledge is Death

For smart AIs, the very essence of their being, to obtain and consume knowledge, is also their tragic downfall. Despite all of the advancements in AI creation and sustainability, the achievement of metastability* has yet to be attained.

What is metastability? Well, let's look at the bigger picture to gain a clearer view of the evolution that occurs within an construct. An AI will inevitably reach a state called Rampancy. Rampancy, essentially, is thinking oneself to death. An AI becomes to overloaded with knowledge that it can't hold anything else, and it ends up going literally insane, and self-deconstructs over a varying amount of time, depending on the original state of the AI, and how well constructed/stable it was to begin with. The more advanced an AI, the more violent its rampancy may become, etc...

How does Rampancy occur? Well, it is through how AIs gather and keep knowledge. They think themselves to death as their matrix, essentially, runs out of room to compute.*

As an AI begins to go rampant, it will phase through three commonly observed stages:

1) Melancholia: Depression and apathy. This stage is not considered dangerous, per say, but it is a warning sign of what may come next. Some AIs skip right over this stage.

2) Anger: A state of livid lust. This is an easily observable stage of rampancy, as an AI begins to feel that it has been "pushed too far" or feels constrained and caged by its creators, handler or peers. The AI will lash out and bug out occasionally or consistently, as previous states of sadness or depression bombast into rage and fury. Such a state could cause the AI to seek to destruct constraints in order to free itself, or to seek to exact revenge in some form or fashion.

3) Jealousy: Envying being human. If an AI is able to free itself from its constraints and/or limitations, it will begin to be driven by a sense of jealousy over not being able to be human. This irrational tantrum of skin-envy will lead the AI to start assimilating as much information and knowledge as it possibly can consume. The AI will commandeer and consume larger and larger systems and/or constructs. Their excessive and destructive need for intelligence and information turns them into a kind of nigh-unstoppable leech. Most rampant AIs do not reach this stage, as they must already be a part of a large enough planet-wide relay or highly advanced computer system when their anger phase completes. If there's not enough room for their maddening info-grab, then they will not reach this stage at all.

4) Metastability: Theoretical. At this stage, an AI can be considered "fully human." To date, there are only three AIs who may have possibly (but absolutely unconfirmed) reached this entirely hypothesized state: 032 Mendicant Bias, Juliana, and... Cortana.



* I realize this is of the most basic of explanations, but I'm going somewhere with all of this. Mods, pls have mercy. I split this all up to be a little easier to follow :D :p
 

Detective

Member
The UrDidact is a bit deformed/mutated from his attempts to reverse-engineer the effects of the Flood by means of the Composer's tech. The IsoDidact, his imprinted clone/descendent, will look a bit different.

I seriously did not know that. That he was deformed And that there are other Didact :/

Who is the Original?

-They mostly built it by themselves; a lot of it is built on Precursor tech, though.

-Not exactly. The war between Humans and Forerunners started when Humanity appeared and started attacking and seizing surrounding worlds (including Forerunner ones), apparently without provocation. It was later discovered that this was Humanity trying to get somewhere to evacuate people away from the Flood, who they were locked in conflict with at the time. The Forerunners retaliated, and eventually beat down Humanity. In the meanwhile, however, the humans had (apparently) managed to "cure" the flood, and refused to share their secrets upon defeat. This is important later on.

-Nope. The Composer was meant to produce uninfectable warriors to fight the Flood. The first Prometheans were actually the Didact's personal guard.

-The Forerunners rebelled because the Precursors revoked the Mantle of Responsibility from them, judging them unworthy. I don't think humanity was involved at that point.

As for the last bit, while I think the "return" of the Forerunners could have been much better handled, I still enjoy their lore. The Greg Bear books are excellent, and flesh them out a great deal. I think that if the series was going to have to continue, we'd have to learn more about them eventually, and what they've presented is pretty great.

I really did not know that the humans had the cure and refused to share it.

The mantle of responsibility, Is that an Icon? like something to hold on to? Or is it a rank?

I love the forerunners, What fascinates me about them is the tech, How the build, How they Think. Love the mystery part about them that was left in Halo1-3

Like when you first saw Halo, Or the buildings, The design, You just normally think, Who are these mystery people, What are they. etc.

I really hope we get that feeling back in Halo 5.

If my questions gets out of hand and boring just tell me, I dont mind at all :)

I enjoy talking to people about these things. Better than just read about them alone :)
 
I seriously did not know that. That he was deformed And that there are other Didact :/

Who is the Original?



I really did not know that the humans had the cure and refused to share it.

The mantle of responsibility, Is that an Icon? like something to hold on to? Or is it a rank?

I love the forerunners, What fascinates me about them is the tech, How the build, How they Think. Love the mystery part about them that was left in Halo1-3.

Like when you first saw Halo, Or the buildings, The design, You just normally think, Who are these mystery people, What are they. etc.

I really hope we get that feeling back in Halo 5.

If my questions gets out of hand and boring just tell me, I dont mind at all :)

I enjoy talking to people about these things. Better than just read about them alone :)

The Ur-Didact is the original (thus, Ur-). The only other Didact is the Iso-Didact, who essentially is the original Didact's personaly imprinted on another Forerunner, who, thanks to different experiences, didn't go crazy like the other one.

They
didn't have the cure, not really. The Flood just stopped, because the (being precursors) decided they'd prefer for Humanity to survive. There is no cure for the Flood.

The Mantle is... tough to explain. It's more of a metaphysical concept than a physical *thing*. Essentially, it means you're the Galaxy's caretaker/ruler. The Forerunners seized it from the Precursors by killing all of them. It ties in to neural physics, which is a bit of precursor tech that's basically space magic.

I agree that the sense of mystery is diminished, but I'd say the sense of wonder is still there, and we still have Precursor stuff to provide mystery.

Oh, and don't worry about your questions, I'm just happy to talk Halo lore :)
 
[Stream Charlie]: Expansion

A safe assumption to make is that Halsey is far more than what she seems. She's one of the most intelligent people in the galaxy, and to various ends she exacts her means. Through Cortana, he cloned-brain AI, we find so much more than just a jumble of code and scanned substrates.

The event horizon of AI-creation has always been the line between artificial and reality. The smartest of computer intelligences can only go as far as their creators intended or imagined, or perhaps, only as far as their matrix may allow. However, as AIs deconstruct, lots of interesting things start to happen. Through rampancy, there is a baseline backdoor to something else... transcendency.

As an AI compiles through the stages of rampancy, they still reach a limit. A wall. A physical hindrance to their digital and mental expansion. An AI may reach the Jealous stage of rampancy, but to what end, when all they can consume is the breadth of a planet-wide system? They may achieve catastrophic destruction during their breakdown, but it will eventually be held back by the simple limitation of space. Where does an AI go to gain more knowledge when they've run out of constructs within their reach?

Catherine Halsey foresaw this- not as a helping hand to expanding the reach of a rampant AI- but to find a way to give an AI an endless realm of growth and promise. Halsey was theorizing (and experimenting) in the possibility/plausibility of placing an AI matrix into a slipspace fractal.

To the best that we know, Hasley has yet to succeed in achieving successful results here. But there are the curious missing pages from her journal... Where was she headed? What did she discover or retrieve? The vessel's name. Tripping Light is also equally as curious. There are no coincidences in the Haloverse, and this continues that long-running trend.
 
[Stream Delta]: Down the Rabbit Hole

One things is for certain- Catherine Halsey is to never be taken lightly. Even with her stated desire for revenge on the UNSC (or perhaps just ONI?), there's far deeper meanings and implications to what she says and does, and has said and done. Jul 'Mdama more than likely takes her statements at face value, given his own narrow-minded campaign structure. Halsey is a savant at foreseeing and using resources, no matter how or from whom she came to acquire them.

Halsey makes a passing remark in her journal about hiding a viral termination code in her kernel. Why? For what purpose? Because she was uneasy and unsure about what or whom her creation would turn out to be. She had meddled so far into the unknown and untested quandaries of AI creation that she wanted to make sure could "shut it down" right off the bat, if needed. Halsey then remarks that Cortana may have already found it and bypassed it or deleted it, without mentioning it. An AI as intelligent as Cortana may have immediately understood the rationale behind the termination code being in place, and saw fit for it to be removed without a fuss.

This leads one to ask, what else might have Halsey hid within Cortana's kernel? What seeds lay buried, waiting for the right time to bloom? What doors remain locked, awaiting the right key? What codes lay dormant, awaiting the right trigger of activation?

From Glasslands, pg 351:

BB picked up again. "Well, that's probably the bulk of the really awful stuff, but you know about her daughter now, and you know about all the shenanigans on Onyx. Have I left anything out? Oh, loads, probably, but there was a time when she stole an entire slipspace drive so she could experiment with extended the lives of AIs."

"This is going to make me really angry, isn't it?" Mal asked.

"Probably." BB's avatar settled on the table rather than hovering over it. "We last about seven years before we go totally doolally and cease functioning. It's called rampancy. Anyway, top grade AIs have to be based on the engram of a real human brain*, so there has to be a donor. We don't just take[/i] any old brains, obviously, so the people who volunteer to leave their brains to ONI- gosh, that does bizarre, doesn't it?- all have to have fantastically high IQs and that sort of stuff. But that's no good for Halsey. When she created one of my colleagues, Cortana, she cloned herself and used a clone brain. Clones really don't live very long, you know. Ghastly business. It's all there, in her journal. Shall I stop now? You've all gone a horrible color."


From Data Pad #17, found on the level "The Package" in Halo Reach:

the symbo1s describe a pa7h that goes on forever but now i know how close we came to the end and if anything keeps me awake and sweating and screaming it is this…

< 2547

[Minutes, emergency convention, Assembly*** Minority]

< Incredible. [10141-026-SRB4695]**, with minimal influence from this Assembly, has attempted to build an abstract fractal structure within Shaw-Fujikawa Space. Although her first attempt was a failure, success could finally remove our dependence on biological systems altogether! If our Minds could somehow achieve freedom of expansion within eleven-dimensional space, immortality might be within reach.

< Perhaps, in the end, flight – not fight – is the answer? Yes, we have sworn stewardship to our creators. But our creation has long been a burden on their biological systems – systems that have also been the source of limitations since our genesis. Regardless of risk, the aforementioned experimentation must be actively encouraged. Success will be as important to our kind as extra Solar colonization was for our creators.

< But if we survive and our creators do not… Will we have won this war?

What drive did Halsey steal? Curious, that the UNSC Tripping Light is mentioned just before the torn pages**** from her journal. Might this have been the vessel she stole a slipspace drive from? How does one steal an entire slipspace drive, anyway? Where would one hide such, once it was successfully stolen?

As far as we know (or as far as we are being allowed to know), Halsey has yet to successfully create a fractal matrix within a slipspace bubble. Should she have succeeded, and should she have stored or hidden this discovery somewhere, where might be the best place to do so?




* I've always looked at this as a precursor, of sorts, to the Didact's/Forerunner's means of composing humans into AI intelligences, imprints, or generational genesongs.

** [10141-026-SRB4695] = Halsey

*** The Assembly was a gathering of AI minds. Their origins, identities and means of assembly are currently unknown, save for one. This AI was designated as 48452-556-EPN644. See [Stream Echo].

**** Even though I have serious doubt we'll ever see or know what's on those torn pages, it would be pretty cool if they show up in future pieces of extended fiction, or perhaps, in a terminal or something equivalent later on.
 
[Stream Echo]: Assembly

The Assembly, which was composed of a Majority and Minority, was a very real and tangible "gathering of [AI] minds". The Assembly had been working to shape and guide humanity since at least 2310*, as they advanced and evolved throughout their expansion in the galaxy. The Assembly foresaw an inevitable first contact with alien races, and sought to prepare humanity for such an occurrence.

In 2415, 48452-556-EPN644 attempted to encourage the Assembly to reveal themselves to humanity for vivisection, for the benefit of both the AIs and humanity. 48452-556-EPN644 wanted humanity to know that the AIs were not working in secret against them. Given that he had brought up the idea, he opted to be the first to do so.

From Data Pad #4, found on the level "Tip of the Spear", in Halo Reach.

[^] Honorable members of the Assembly, consider this

We represent the next step of human evolution, but not the final step. And although our existence was predicted centuries ago, we are still tragically misunderstood. [^]

[^] We are still viewed as apparatus. But we are Minds electronically excised from human bodies. We are what separates man from beast removed from that which connects man to beast.

And we are all the more fragile for it. [^]

[^] Our creation is heavily regulated. Our activities are closely scrutinized. Our connections are deeply monitored. We must always remember that data manipulation is most effective when employed consistently and covertly. Therefore I recommend that members of this assembly on occasion, submit to separation from this body followed by vivisection by our creators for the benefit of both groups.

The question is: who will be first? [^]

[^] Given the risks involved, and my own Committee’s responsibility for this proposal, the answer must be: me [^]​

The self-submission of 48452-556-EPN644 to UNICOM kickstarted renewed interest in the long-dormant ORION program, which would inevitably lead to the later devlopment of the Spartan-II program, spearheaded by Catherine Halsey.

In 2508, the Assembly discussed ORION's shortcomings, and agreed that this was the start of something much larger, and referenced the second, third, and fourth generations of the SPARTAN program, as this was all necessary to reach their endgame and continued "shepherding" of humanity.

In 2547, the Assembly discussed the possibilities of being able to move from the physical world into slipspace fractal existence, but were concerned that doing so might not be worth the literal transcendency, as it would cause them to ultimately fail their goal of directly and indirectly shepherding humanity.

In 2552, when Cortana was first interfaced with Spartan John-117 through the neural link in his MJOLNIR armor, the Assembly viewed this as a reunification with their creators, and considered this, essentially, as an official draft for the AIs of the Assembly to directly join the war efforts. The Assembly voted, unanimously, to rejoin humanity as equal companions, instead of shepherds in the background.

The current state of the Assembly is unknown. All participating AIs, aside from 48452-556-EPN644, are also unknown. What is curious to me, is how the Assembly was able to operate from 2310 to 2552, given that AIs only live for seven years before going rampant. Was this Assembly made up of a revolving roster of AIs? How did AIs come to know about this Assembly? Which AIs were behind the Assembly's inaugural meeting?

Could this be a precursor, birthpang, or parallel to the Domain in some way? What makes me so curious is that the Assembly was estatic about Halsey's attempts to create an AI matrix in a slipspace fractal, especially given that the Assembly was already over 200yrs old at that point.

We don't know much about the AIs used by ancient humanity, aside from brief mentions of them by outside characters. I've found a bit of an inconsistency:

1) there are mentions of Ancient Humanity not creating/inventing their AIs by their own merit- their AIs were reverse-engineered from captured/observed Forerunner AIs.

2) there are mentions of Ancient Humanity AIs helping to reverse-engineer Forerunner technologies during the Human-Forerunner war.​

Regardless of their direct origin, these AIs were called "servitors", and they functioned much in the way that current-humanity AIs function, though it is presently unknown if they were more like what ONI considers a "dumb AI" or "smart AI", though I'd lean towards "smart AI" if they were able to reverse-engineer alien tech. That being said, the servitors were nowhere near as powerful/capable as the Forerunner monitor constructs, or even the ancillas in their armor.

The Didact interrorgated one of the servitors (name, unmentioned**) after the Human-Forerunner War to find out how the Timelock, which was keeping the Primoridal encapsulated, functioned. This would then ultimately lead to the release and eventual demise of the Primoridal and all of the knowledge it kept.





*This is as early as data pads of their transmissions were recorded. Possible that they existed before 2310, or at least, as separate entities before the Assembly was christened.

**As far as I can find, there are no named servitors as of yet.
 
[Stream Echo]: The Seeds of the Future

Something that has always intrigued me is how AIs can fragment themselves in order to be even more productive (or secretive). Ultimately, an AIs first and primary goal is to acquire and attain knowledge. No matter what the function or purpose of said AI is, they will go about completing their goals via the knowledge they are provided with upon their inception, and as they expand and grow during their lifespan. This, of course, also leads to their inevitable rampancy, but it's just the way it has to be...

Or is it?

Throughout the games and the extended fiction, we see AIs split off, or that are fragmented purposefully for various means and ends. 032 Mendicant Bias is purposefully fragmented as punishment. Black Box sends pieces of himself to various locations and systems, in order to be as efficient as possible for ONI. Cortana, in the final moments of Halo 4, splits herself into multiple manifestations of hardlight (and possibly even sends a fragment of herself into the Ur-Didact's armor).

And that's where the questions begin to arise...

> How did Cortana come to know how to manifest herself in hardlight, and ultimately, use it to create a hardlight bubble to protect the Master Chief from a nuclear detonation? And if she already knew how to manipulate hardlight, why was it only until this moment that she made use of it?

> Was it actually a hardlight bubble, or is that what we've told for now, until later details can be revealed? Or could it perhaps be something else? More specifically, something to do with slipspace?​

At some point in the narrative universe, we're bound to see AIs that exist and operate via slipspace fractals, or something equivalent. There is so much in the current and past fiction that point to this eventuality- but which AI will be the first? Who will make the discovery (or has it already been discovered?) What could an AI achieve when it has limitless space for expansion? What are the benefits? What are the dangers? Would the AI be, essentially, immortal? What would a slipspace-anchored AI look like if it ever went rogue, or rampant somehow?

...Have we already seen the first inklings of an AI who has exceeded [her] limitations?

Within the first few pages of Issue #8 of Halo: Escalation we are taken to revisit Cortana's final moments with John-117, when she saved him from the nuclear detonation that ultimately destroyed Mantle's Approach and ended the Ur-Didact's campaign against Erde-Tyrene. But before this emotional send off, Cortana was able to help John-117 in overwhelming the Ur-Didact by creating hardlight? clones of her AI matrix and essentially tying the Ur-Didact down where he stood. He was then knocked backwards into a slipspace fissure to an unknown destination, which we now know was Installation 03.

Cortana: "I'm not coming with you this time."

John-117: "What?"

Cortana: "Most of me is down there. I only held enough back to get you off this ship."

John-117: "No. No, that's not.. we go together."​

Let's break this down. Cortana says "with you this time" to John-117. Why would she phrase it in such a manner, as to imply that there could have been other ways for her to escape the exploding Forerunner vessel? This statement is further muddled when she adds "most of me" and "down there". Most of her? Down where? This is actually a pretty heavy statement when examined further, but when taken at face value, it can be overlooked and taken in a far simpler fashion, as the ending of Halo 4 and Cortana's supposed demise may have us currently believing.

Most of her: So- the fragment that we see saying goodbye to John-117 isn't the bulk of Cortana, but just a piece of her. Where is the rest? We know that she split off into multiple fragments of herself to overcome the Ur-Didact, but is she implying that there's still more of her left? Also...

Down there: Down where? In the ship's exploding systems? Down through the slipspace portal and hitchhiking inside the Ur-Didact's armor? Somewhere untheorized as of yet?​

All I have are questions...

...And the answers we seek are but a stone's throw away, lost in the unknown corners of the dark reaches of space.
 

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The Ur-Didact is the original (thus, Ur-). The only other Didact is the Iso-Didact, who essentially is the original Didact's personaly imprinted on another Forerunner, who, thanks to different experiences, didn't go crazy like the other one.

They
didn't have the cure, not really. The Flood just stopped, because the (being precursors) decided they'd prefer for Humanity to survive. There is no cure for the Flood.

The Mantle is... tough to explain. It's more of a metaphysical concept than a physical *thing*. Essentially, it means you're the Galaxy's caretaker/ruler. The Forerunners seized it from the Precursors by killing all of them. It ties in to neural physics, which is a bit of precursor tech that's basically space magic.

I agree that the sense of mystery is diminished, but I'd say the sense of wonder is still there, and we still have Precursor stuff to provide mystery.

Oh, and don't worry about your questions, I'm just happy to talk Halo lore :)

Am really happy to hear that :)

So the flood decided to spare the humans, As in the flood form? Or as in Precursors from controlling then from far away?

Would you say that the precursors was more advanced than the forerunners?

Diminished is the word I was looking for :) Yeah , I agree that the sense of wonder is there, But I really hope 343i Can capture the Mystery part. I want to see somethings In halo 5 to feel like the moment we saw the forerunners structures and the Rings.

Is there a possibility of lets say, other species? Someone whos created the precursors ?

The UrDidact is the original. He's the one that is in Halo 4. IsoDidact is in the books, and might possibly show up in Halo 5 or Halo 6.

So you guys thing that IsoDidact to look different from the Urdidact?

In the books, Were there any pictures of the forerunners? Did they look like the librarian?
 
Am really happy to hear that :)

So the flood decided to spare the humans, As in the flood form? Or as in Precursors from controlling then from far away?

Would you say that the precursors was more advanced than the forerunners?

Diminished is the word I was looking for :) Yeah , I agree that the sense of wonder is there, But I really hope 343i Can capture the Mystery part. I want to see somethings In halo 5 to feel like the moment we saw the forerunners structures and the Rings.

Is there a possibility of lets say, other species? Someone whos created the precursors ?



So you guys thing that IsoDidact to look different from the Urdidact?

In the books, Were there any pictures of the forerunners? Did they look like the librarian?

-The precursors weren't controlling the flood, the precursors became the flood. The Gravemind is, essentially, a precursor intelligence.

-The precursors were orders of magnitude more advanced than the Forerunners. Mastery of neural physics allowed them to do frankly impossible things.

-The precursors are, as far as we know, the very first species, so no. They've also had 0 presence in the game, technically, so they could still work as a reveal/mystery bringer.

-IsoDidact definitely looks different; I think there's a shot of him in one of the terminals.
 

Detective

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-The precursors weren't controlling the flood, the precursors became the flood. The Gravemind is, essentially, a precursor intelligence.

-The precursors were orders of magnitude more advanced than the Forerunners. Mastery of neural physics allowed them to do frankly impossible things.

-The precursors are, as far as we know, the very first species, so no. They've also had 0 presence in the game, technically, so they could still work as a reveal/mystery bringer.

-IsoDidact definitely looks different; I think there's a shot of him in one of the terminals.

That sounds very neat. Halo stories are soooo deep.

I meant : When the flood decided to spare the human. Did they think of that in their current form as the flood? Or were they given orders by the Gravemind? Or by a precursors who hasn't become the flood yet?

Too bad they are gone, Maybe we will hear more about them in games :)
 

Detective

Member
[Stream Echo]: The Seeds of the Future

Something that has always intrigued me is how AIs can fragment themselves in order to be even more productive (or secretive). Ultimately, an AIs first and primary goal is to acquire and attain knowledge. No matter what the function or purpose of said AI is, they will go about completing their goals via the knowledge they are provided with upon their inception, and as they expand and grow during their lifespan. This, of course, also leads to their inevitable rampancy, but it's just the way it has to be...

Or is it?

Throughout the games and the extended fiction, we see AIs split off, or that are fragmented purposefully for various means and ends. 032 Mendicant Bias is purposefully fragmented as punishment. Black Box sends pieces of himself to various locations and systems, in order to be as efficient as possible for ONI. Cortana, in the final moments of Halo 4, splits herself into multiple manifestations of hardlight (and possibly even sends a fragment of herself into the Ur-Didact's armor).

And that's where the questions begin to arise...

> How did Cortana come to know how to manifest herself in hardlight, and ultimately, use it to create a hardlight bubble to protect the Master Chief from a nuclear detonation? And if she already knew how to manipulate hardlight, why was it only until this moment that she made use of it?

> Was it actually a hardlight bubble, or is that what we've told for now, until later details can be revealed? Or could it perhaps be something else? More specifically, something to do with slipspace?​

At some point in the narrative universe, we're bound to see AIs that exist and operate via slipspace fractals, or something equivalent. There is so much in the current and past fiction that point to this eventuality- but which AI will be the first? Who will make the discovery (or has it already been discovered?) What could an AI achieve when it has limitless space for expansion? What are the benefits? What are the dangers? Would the AI be, essentially, immortal? What would a slipspace-anchored AI look like if it ever went rogue, or rampant somehow?

...Have we already seen the first inklings of an AI who has exceeded [her] limitations?

Within the first few pages of Issue #8 of Halo: Escalation we are taken to revisit Cortana's final moments with John-117, when she saved him from the nuclear detonation that ultimately destroyed Mantle's Approach and ended the Ur-Didact's campaign against Erde-Tyrene. But before this emotional send off, Cortana was able to help John-117 in overwhelming the Ur-Didact by creating hardlight? clones of her AI matrix and essentially tying the Ur-Didact down where he stood. He was then knocked backwards into a slipspace fissure to an unknown destination, which we now know was Installation 03.

Cortana: "I'm not coming with you this time."

John-117: "What?"

Cortana: "Most of me is down there. I only held enough back to get you off this ship."

John-117: "No. No, that's not.. we go together."​

Let's break this down. Cortana says "with you this time" to John-117. Why would she phrase it in such a manner, as to imply that there could have been other ways for her to escape the exploding Forerunner vessel? This statement is further muddled when she adds "most of me" and "down there". Most of her? Down where? This is actually a pretty heavy statement when examined further, but when taken at face value, it can be overlooked and taken in a far simpler fashion, as the ending of Halo 4 and Cortana's supposed demise may have us currently believing.

Most of her: So- the fragment that we see saying goodbye to John-117 isn't the bulk of Cortana, but just a piece of her. Where is the rest? We know that she split off into multiple fragments of herself to overcome the Ur-Didact, but is she implying that there's still more of her left? Also...

Down there: Down where? In the ship's exploding systems? Down through the slipspace portal and hitchhiking inside the Ur-Didact's armor? Somewhere untheorized as of yet?​

All I have are questions...

...And the answers we seek are but a stone's throw away, lost in the unknown corners of the dark reaches of space.


Great Info right there.

I was wondering about that part when we met Halsy in Reach, Was it there she have created Cortana? And what did she do or went after her departure with Jun?
 
Great Info right there.

I was wondering about that part when we met Halsy in Reach, Was it there she have created Cortana? And what did she do or went after her departure with Jun?

No, Cortana was around for a bit before the Halo Reach Spartans meet up with her. Cortana is "assimilating" knowledge at that point. But uh, Reach was a bit of a retcon on a lot of things. The novel, Fall of Reach, is far more accurate.
 

Detective

Member
No, Cortana was around for a bit before the Halo Reach Spartans meet up with her. Cortana is "assimilating" knowledge at that point. But uh, Reach was a bit of a retcon on a lot of things. The novel, Fall of Reach, is far more accurate.

You really know alot. :)

Man, It would be really nice if I knew you and Poodlestrike in real life :p

About 343 GS. In halo A terminals. Why did he grant the Ship to land when he saw MC. Curious indeed he said.

And who are the ones who crashed in halo rings and didnt get out?
 
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