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Anyone else regret buying a Wii u?

What is it about Nintendo that engenders such passionate loyalty to their games and their brand? I know the common theory is how many people grew up with Nintendo, but it's getting to the point where a lot of gamers grew up with Sony and I don't see nearly the same level fervor. It's simultaneously frustrating and amusing.

I say this as I wear my new Officially Licensed Nintendo shirt :)
 
What is it about Nintendo that engenders such passionate loyalty to their games and their brand? I know the common theory is how many people grew up with Nintendo, but it's getting to the point where a lot of gamers grew up with Sony and I don't see nearly the same level fervor. It's simultaneously frustrating and amusing.

I say this as I wear my new Officially Licensed Nintendo shirt :)

Because they keep making amazing games year after year, that's why I follow them.
 

Hugstable

Banned
What is it about Nintendo that engenders such passionate loyalty to their games and their brand? I know the common theory is how many people grew up with Nintendo, but it's getting to the point where a lot of gamers grew up with Sony and I don't see nearly the same level fervor. It's simultaneously frustrating and amusing.

I say this as I wear my new Officially Licensed Nintendo shirt :)

They are much more similar than you think.
 
Thing is Sony, MS, 2nd and 3rd parties also have quality titles....and yet their prices go down over time alot more than Nintendos...

I think thats what some ppl are getting at.

Unless only Nintendo makes quality games....if some ppl think that....kinda explains why Nintendo threads go the way they do at times.

I'm not going to make a broad statement about the quality of certain studios' games, because they all make good stuff, but it seems that Nintendo games don't get traded in nearly as often as games made by other studios. I'm sure quality is part of that. Curious about what the other reasons could be though.
 
Smash bros alone makes Nintendo consoles worth the price of admission. I will up clicking up 1000s of hours on it alone. Personally Im all about picking a few good games and sticking to them. Nintendo consoles may not have as many AAA games but they tend to have the absolute best games IMO. I'm more than happy to go through a generation with just a few good games.
 
I see a lot of comments about it having the best games, and I know that's opinions and all... but why do I feel like some people try to shove it down your throat like its fact even if you don't like Nintendo games anymore or never did...?

Even factually speaking, that's debatable considering how it missed out on the highest rated game of both last gen and currently this gen, remaster or not. And no I'm not talking about Mario Galaxy.

Also I saw a comment about the OS being the best: its way too slow to even be in contention to be the best.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html
 
No, my Wii U has earned it's money. Las tyear I was able to buy some games on sale, like ZombiU for $10, and WindwakerHD for $30. Smash bros and MK8 have also seen some good play with the family.

I even have games that I'd still like to buy like Hyrule Warriors, the Wonderful 101, and DK Tropical Freeze.
 
Buying a Wii U is the best thing I've done this gen.

.


It has a horde of awesome and finished games which are easily worth the price.
what else would you want from a console


nintendo games = kiddy games on weak hardware. kiddy games is a reference to the general art style, another way to put it would be bright colorful games with non realistic violence. weak hardware is I think self explanatory.

"bright colorful games with non realistic violence" is kiddy to you?
really?
 
They are much more similar than you think.

Not really. Fanboys for each console are actually fairly distinct, with the Nintendo species being the most blatant.

I just find it interesting, because a lot of people grow up, and while I don't want to imply that they look down on Nintendo games (I don't) certainly their tastes at least broaden. Yet, there is this segment which is so vocal and so rabid. And what I've noticed on NeoGAF is that certain sentiments get stated so obvious, it almost becomes a pseudo-fact.
 

JoeM86

Member
Not really. Fanboys for each console are actually fairly distinct, with the Nintendo species being the most blatant.

I just find it interesting, because a lot of people grow up, and while I don't want to imply that they look down on Nintendo games (I don't) certainly their tastes at least broaden. Yet, there is this segment which is so vocal and so rabid. And what I've noticed on NeoGAF is that certain sentiments get stated so obvious, it almost becomes a pseudo-fact.

I think that Nintendo fans are more vocal because we have crap like this
nintendo games = kiddy games on weak hardware. kiddy games is a reference to the general art style, another way to put it would be bright colorful games with non realistic violence. weak hardware is I think self explanatory.

It's essentially insulting those, saying they're into immature things. That's why some Nintendo fans feel the need to defend their passion more.

When you have a hobby, yet people are constantly down and trashing the part of the hobby you're passionate about, it can cause retaliation.

When people start treating games about image rather than gameplay, fun factor etc., it gets quite sad.
 
I don't regret buying a console that has given me some of the best games of all time, no.

(Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, Super Smash Bros)
 

Aroll

Member
They are,
I would love to play those games, but I honestly thought these games would sell 20 bucks by now,this is all due to my backlog really.

for example the next game I might get is captain toad, I think I saw a sell for 20 bucks the other day.

just waiting to finish bloodborne.

If you saw it sell for $20, that was due to a sale. That is not the typical price for Captain Toad. It's $40. That's what it was at launch and what it will continue to be for many years.

It sounds like what you dislike most about the Wii U is the fact the game prices on Nintendo games do not drop. This has been a known thing with Nintendo consoles dating back to what... the NES? I can't even remember an era that had game prices go through crazy drops UNLESS Nintendo overshipped a game really bad - like they did with Spirit Tracks in Japan where it was in discount bins two weeks later because of how badly the game was overshipped.

This sounds like your regret is that you didn't research the product and the softwre before you bought the console. You bought a Wii U without looking at the prices of the games you wanted first? Really? Hard to miss.

Nintendo charges what they do because they don't believe or approve of the industry trend to release games and basically make all your money the first month, then heavily discount the game and release game of the year versions down the road for $10 less than the original game costs to make more money again on what they advertise as a "budget" version, because it's more expensive to buy the old game and the DLC separately.

Nintendo believes in the value of continuous sales - releasing games that are going to not just sell the first month, but the first year, and maybe for many more. THey don't annualize any of their franchises, allowing them to maintain this price model. Is call of duty Advanced Warfare going to see price drops? Of course - it has a new game coming out a year later. THey have to rapidly discount to maintain sales heading into the new game release. Meanwhile, when Zelda U hits, we won't be getting a brand new Zelda title on home consoels for another 4 or 5 years. So they ahve no reason to discount it. SS will see a $10 or more drop when Zelda U releases, assuming that Skyward Sword is still in print, which it might not be. Still, stores that still ahve new copies will lower the price when the new game hits.

Essentially, Nintendo doesn't agree that the value of the software degrades just because it was released years ago compared to releasing today. They believe it degrades when a new version of said software comes into existence or if, unfortunately, sales of those games become so low it's either stop printing them or attempt to drop the price. If you recall, the Wii era did that with Nintendo Select titles - basically best selling titles that were no longer selling rereleased in a specially marked box for $20. Even then, it is rare Nintendo does that and there was nothing different about those games compared to the original release.

Hard to complain as a consumer, because the entire reason we get upset is because of what the rest of the industry is training us to think, and as a consumer I hate that they are training us to degrade software so fast. I'd much rather have software maintain it's usual value and then have sales to associate with it. Sales don't mean much when the software itself just continues to tank in price every month.

Nintendo frequently offers sales on the digital versions of their games on the Wii U (literally new sales each week), and they are releasing Wii games for cheaper as digital downloads versus physical versions.

This is in addition to frequent retailer sales. Target runs a buy one get one half off sale on Wii U games seemingly every 6 months, and Best Buy among other places run some nice sales too. In addition, Amazon typically undercuts the market price for games in general. For the top selling games (like MK8), it will only undercut by a dollar or so. For other games (like Hyrule Warriors), it's $10+ off compared to say, Walmart.

So, even if you want to buy Wii U games at a discount, you can. YOu just need to watch for sales.

As for me, I am a happy Wii U owner. It's a great console not just due to Nintendo games, but it really gets you into the indie game scene. Sicne there aren't any 3rd party AAA titles, it's nice exploring the eShop and finding some hidden gems you might have otherwise overlooked.
 

daman824

Member
The amount of fun I've had getting drunk and split screening Mario kart and playing super smash bros with friends has easily justified the purchase of my wii u
 

Mory Dunz

Member
Not really. Fanboys for each console are actually fairly distinct, with the Nintendo species being the most blatant.

It depends on the thread too.
From threads that Nintendo fans generally have no dog in (Review threads for PS/XB exclusives, Digital Foundy, NPD threads this gen, etc), one could make the conclusion that the other 2 consoles have insane fans.


Everyone's pretty insane, it's just that when you're losing it gets exaccerbated.
 

KarmaCow

Member
I do kinda wish I bought a better graphics card instead but I don't really regret my time with it. I had Mario Kart 8 and SSB4 before I even had the console itself but I haven't really played either that much. Part of that is not having a proper controller for those games, I really don't like using the gamepad. I beat all the levels in 3D world with it but I stopped playing Tropical Freeze and NSMBU, it just feels off trying to use it for 2D games for some reason.. That said I did beat Bayo 2 a couple times with it, though again the gamepad kinda killed any motivation to wring out everything in the game. I'm holding out for a Pro Controller sale but with the Canadian dollar, it seems like it's more likely to go up in price.
 
I think that Nintendo fans are more vocal because we have crap like this


It's essentially insulting those, saying they're into immature things. That's why some Nintendo fans feel the need to defend their passion more.

When you have a hobby, yet people are constantly down and trashing the part of the hobby you're passionate about, it can cause retaliation.

When people start treating games about image rather than gameplay, fun factor etc., it gets quite sad.

It is unfortunate. And because people call Nintendo games kiddy, whether out of laziness, ignorance or whatever, it created a backlash that joke about violent games being "so mature." I feel like there needs to be a better term to describe the average Nintendo game, because even describing it as that is met with condemnations of classifying their
Entire output as a genre. Like, most Nintendo games feel similar in the same way Disney films feel the same, ya know?

There is just an endless loop of poor insults follow by poor ad hominems.
 

Bumhead

Banned
What is it about Nintendo that engenders such passionate loyalty to their games and their brand? I know the common theory is how many people grew up with Nintendo, but it's getting to the point where a lot of gamers grew up with Sony and I don't see nearly the same level fervor. It's simultaneously frustrating and amusing.

I say this as I wear my new Officially Licensed Nintendo shirt :)

I grew up with Sony. The PlayStation was my first console and that's where all my nostalgia is.

The problems with that however are obvious. Sony doesn't celebrate or retain its nostalgia anywhere near as strongly as Nintendo does. Almost all of the games I have nostalgia for from my childhood either don't exist as franchises anymore or are now multiplatform and/or rubbish.

I'm "loyal" to Sony in as much as that their consoles have reliably delivered me the most complete and best experience for every generation that they've existed, but I couldn't care a less about a good number of the exclusives. Certainly not in any nostalgic context.

Nintendo have retained the quality of their franchises and IP's, for the most part, while ensuring that buying their own hardware is the only way to play that quality.
 

ryechu

Member
I haven't enough information yet to judge if Sawano's soundtrack meshes well with the gameplay and story of Xenoblade X.

But everyone who is comparing this to Xenoblade's OST. That soundtrack was objectively cheesy as fuck and in no way the paradigm of RPG soundtracks. Anyone can have a kneejerk reaction to engrish but that does not invalidate an entire soundtrack. Neither do catchy motifs alone make a legendary soundtrack. Especially after all the shit Final Fantasy XII-2's splendid OST got I have little faith in GAFs ability to actually listen.

This is what it looks like when you spew your opinions over the internet. No one cares, but at least mine is right.
 

gogosox82

Member
Honestly I wish I had a WiiU. You have smash, bayonetta 1 and 2, wonderful 101, pikman 3, mario and xenoblade is coming out this year and zelda next year. I don't think the ps4 has that many games I want to play if I'm being honest. Outside of bloodbourne, I can't say I'd enjoyed that many exclusives on the ps4. Granted, I just got a ps4 but I really have no interest in getting any of the sony exclusives where as I would love to play smash or bayo or w101.
 
Is it worth buying the Wii U if I have no interest in Mario and platforming games in general?

I never grew up with any of those games so they don't matter to me.
 

AniHawk

Member
as a busy adult with many important things to do, i have gotten into a habit of actually researching the things i want to spend money on before making a purchase. this includes places to live, transportation, and even luxury items like video game consoles.

the idea is that when i do buy something, i am aware of what i am doing so i don't have remorse for doing so.
 

Hugstable

Banned
I haven't enough information yet to judge if Sawano's soundtrack meshes well with the gameplay and story of Xenoblade X.

But everyone who is comparing this to Xenoblade's OST. That soundtrack was objectively cheesy as fuck and in no way the paradigm of RPG soundtracks. Anyone can have a kneejerk reaction to engrish but that does not invalidate an entire soundtrack. Neither do catchy motifs alone make a legendary soundtrack. Especially after all the shit Final Fantasy XII-2's splendid OST got I have little faith in GAFs ability to actually listen.

This is what it looks like when you spew your opinions over the internet. No one cares, but at least mine is right.

XII-2?! They continues it?! :p
 
I grew up with Sony. The PlayStation was my first console and that's where all my nostalgia is.

The problems with that however are obvious. Sony doesn't celebrate or retain its nostalgia anywhere near as strongly as Nintendo does. Almost all of the games I have nostalgia for from my childhood either don't exist as franchises anymore or are now multiplatform and/or rubbish.

I'm "loyal" to Sony in as much as that their consoles have reliably delivered me the most complete and best experience for every generation that they've existed, but I couldn't care a less about a good number of the exclusives. Certainly not in any nostalgic context.

Nintendo have retained the quality of their franchises and IP's, for the most part, while ensuring that buying their own hardware is the only way to play that quality.

That is a good point. It's weird though, Nintendo's over reliance on Nostalgia is what has lead to my frustration and to a degree disinterest in them. I wonder if the fact that the industry has moved away from the types of games they normally make means fans of Nintendo are even more ardent because of that. It's interesting, because if so one of the things that drives many gamers away is possibly what creates such a passionate minority.
 

Nephtis

Member
I'm actually regretting my PS4 purchase far more than my Wii U purchase so far hahahaha

until SFV, MGS5, and SO5 release anyway. So far I'm really enjoying the wii u.
 

magnumpy

Member
If you saw it sell for $20, that was due to a sale. That is not the typical price for Captain Toad. It's $40. That's what it was at launch and what it will continue to be for many years.

It sounds like what you dislike most about the Wii U is the fact the game prices on Nintendo games do not drop. This has been a known thing with Nintendo consoles dating back to what... the NES? I can't even remember an era that had game prices go through crazy drops UNLESS Nintendo overshipped a game really bad - like they did with Spirit Tracks in Japan where it was in discount bins two weeks later because of how badly the game was overshipped.

This sounds like your regret is that you didn't research the product and the softwre before you bought the console. You bought a Wii U without looking at the prices of the games you wanted first? Really? Hard to miss.

Nintendo charges what they do because they don't believe or approve of the industry trend to release games and basically make all your money the first month, then heavily discount the game and release game of the year versions down the road for $10 less than the original game costs to make more money again on what they advertise as a "budget" version, because it's more expensive to buy the old game and the DLC separately.

Nintendo believes in the value of continuous sales - releasing games that are going to not just sell the first month, but the first year, and maybe for many more. THey don't annualize any of their franchises, allowing them to maintain this price model. Is call of duty Advanced Warfare going to see price drops? Of course - it has a new game coming out a year later. THey have to rapidly discount to maintain sales heading into the new game release. Meanwhile, when Zelda U hits, we won't be getting a brand new Zelda title on home consoels for another 4 or 5 years. So they ahve no reason to discount it. SS will see a $10 or more drop when Zelda U releases, assuming that Skyward Sword is still in print, which it might not be. Still, stores that still ahve new copies will lower the price when the new game hits.

Essentially, Nintendo doesn't agree that the value of the software degrades just because it was released years ago compared to releasing today. They believe it degrades when a new version of said software comes into existence or if, unfortunately, sales of those games become so low it's either stop printing them or attempt to drop the price. If you recall, the Wii era did that with Nintendo Select titles - basically best selling titles that were no longer selling rereleased in a specially marked box for $20. Even then, it is rare Nintendo does that and there was nothing different about those games compared to the original release.

Hard to complain as a consumer, because the entire reason we get upset is because of what the rest of the industry is training us to think, and as a consumer I hate that they are training us to degrade software so fast. I'd much rather have software maintain it's usual value and then have sales to associate with it. Sales don't mean much when the software itself just continues to tank in price every month.

Nintendo frequently offers sales on the digital versions of their games on the Wii U (literally new sales each week), and they are releasing Wii games for cheaper as digital downloads versus physical versions.

This is in addition to frequent retailer sales. Target runs a buy one get one half off sale on Wii U games seemingly every 6 months, and Best Buy among other places run some nice sales too. In addition, Amazon typically undercuts the market price for games in general. For the top selling games (like MK8), it will only undercut by a dollar or so. For other games (like Hyrule Warriors), it's $10+ off compared to say, Walmart.

So, even if you want to buy Wii U games at a discount, you can. YOu just need to watch for sales.

As for me, I am a happy Wii U owner. It's a great console not just due to Nintendo games, but it really gets you into the indie game scene. Sicne there aren't any 3rd party AAA titles,
<snip>

that's the problem. there aren't any 3rd party AAA titles. imagine a console with nintendo first party titles, and PS4/XB1 quality/quantity 3rd party titles. I know I'd buy one. all eyes on NX...
 

Rewrite

Not as deep as he thinks
I don't necessarily regret it because I bought it for Smash Bros and I still play that game. However, I'd be lying if I said I play a lot of Wii U because I don't. It's mostly PS4 that gets all my gaming time, but Wii U is unmatched when it comes to local multiplayer so it gets its use that way!
 

Usobuko

Banned
Yes, no, yes, no.

Well it's not a matter of like, but rather one of interest.

I'm interested in Platinum Games and Xenoblade, I'm not interested in Splatoon and Pikmin.

In that case, I will take a wait and see position until Xenoblade gets out if I were you.
 

OuterLimits

Member
I admit I do like the fact most games on my PS4 drop in price quite quickly. Just wait a couple months and usually save 30% to 50%.

However, I certainly don't regret buying a Wii U despite many games rarely dropping much in price. Most Nintendo games I have bought have been quite enjoyable and work well at release. I don't often have to wait weeks for patches to fix issues.

Which is another advantage of waiting on many games from Ubisoft, Bethesda and many others. They will be cheaper and several patches will likely have fixed the problems at release.
 

Neff

Member
It depends on the thread too.
From threads that Nintendo fans generally have no dog in (Review threads for PS/XB exclusives, Digital Foundy, NPD threads this gen, etc), one could make the conclusion that the other 2 consoles have insane fans.


Everyone's pretty insane, it's just that when you're losing it gets exaccerbated.

Every single Nintendo fan I know also owns a Sony or Microsoft system.

However I do know plenty of strictly Sony or Microsoft-only guys.

It's purely anecdotal, but the overlap swings more entirely one way than the other in my experience.
 

chadskin

Member
It severely needs a price drop. I'm in at €100-150 for the premium but it still costs almost as much as an XB1 does now lol.
 
In that case, I will take a wait and see position until Xenoblade gets out if I were you.

See my problem with the Wii U is the same as most people who don't buy one- If you're not interested in Mario games, there's nothing in it for you.

Sure occasionally you get 2 Platinum games and 1 RPG with sweetass Mecha design, but you aren't guarantee a steady stream of them.
 

Chindogg

Member
PC/Wii U/3DS has continued to dominate this generation for me. Outside of Bloodborne, Resogun, and Guilty Gear Xrd I don't really have an interest in a PS4 or Xbox One.
 
The only thing I use my Wii U for is to turn my TV on/off because my TV remote control broke. The built-in universal remote control comes in really handy and works a lot better than the smartphone app. :-D
 

mkvl

Neo Member
So many great games and Bayonetta 2 alone is so amazing that buying a WiiU will never be a mistake.

My recent combo PS4 + WiiU is so amazing that my love for gaming is on an all time high.
 
Not for me. My library of WiiU games has gotten bigger than I expected to have at this point. I bought at launch and I was aware of the value retention of games, along with the expectation of droughts (on every platform this gen), so maybe I was mentally prepared better than some. But all I needed was around a dozen or so (or even half-dozen with Nintendo quality) to be satisfied, and the satisfaction is still going in quality and quantity for me.

As someone put it earlier, "it's another Dreamcast," which might make it my overall favorite system of the gen, despite not having key titles I'm looking forward to.
 

nikatapi

Member
Worth it only for Bayonetta 1&2, the rest is just a plus. And i still don't have Pikmin, MK8 and Smash. So yeah, even though the 3rd party situation is shit (NFS is awesome though, and i enjoyed ME3) still it's a great little console, and the gamepad is a great convenience.
 

PrimeX

Member
The OP seems more disappointed in prices for the WiiU wonderful games than the console. But as everyone interested in Nintendo knows, their game prices almost never go down. The value of these games is awesome even after many years and the price reflects it.
I very much like not seeing a game I have spent 60 EUR on going down to 7 EUR after a few months.
 
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