slavesnyder
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Because it is exactly this.
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Germany Hardware LTD through March 2015: PS4 1.6 million, XBO 378K
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Yup. I live in Netherlands and bought an Xbox One from Germany.
Hardly ever touch it though, my gaming is done on PS4.
Ah, I see, cheers.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I would be interested in seeing breakdowns of revenue and profits share in addition to market share numbers for games, I wonder what kind of picture comes out of that.
Acquiescence
Member
Sony shows a lotta love at Gamescom every year for a reason I suppose.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Damn. That's a beating. That will only snowball due to people wanting what their friends have and wanting to play multiplayer together.
Not based on the above chart, Nintendo died in Germany & MS was never that strong there to begin with, it's not that hard to conclude that the vast majority of the consoles revenue in 2013 was from PS3.
You can't just split the consoles revenue to 3 platforms evenly when 2 of them are dead.
You mean the Wii which has the highest install base out of the three? From this thread:
So Sony dominating with more than 50% of the revenue is highly unlikely. But I also would like to see a breakdown of those three consoles in terms of revenue.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Xbox One standard deals in germany:
Xbox One, 2nd controller + one game (Forza, MCC, Fifa 15 or Sunset Overdrive) for
279 or 299 €
Xbox One, 2nd controller + one game (Forza, MCC, Fifa 15 or Sunset Overdrive) for
279 or 299 €
Fire sale? Anyway it seems like Xbone is getting much cheaper in EU recently.
The Wii didn't sell any software in 2013 in Germany. It was dead, the install base is irrelevant when it's not active.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
No, mostly local, offline deals. They just want to get rid of it.
Any sources to back up that claim or anything that shows that Sony had more than 50% market share in the consoles market? And don't forget that the Wii U already existed at that point.
Great numbers for the PS4 in Germany. I'm quite confident it will pass 2 million units sold in a few months and the gap with the XB1 will extend to 5:1 by the end of the year. Europe should really not be underestimated when it comes to console sales, especially for the PS4.
Unless you're Microsoft in which case Europe is just a country.
serversurfer
Member
Ha! I haven't read the "by a nose" thread yet, but is that the spin? Dude was obviously referring to the Bone's impending resurgence, and he knows what's up?
Back on topic, this fits with what we've seen elsewhere, but it's always nice to see the actual numbers. Why does France seem slanted towards the Bone more than the rest of Europe/World?
PdotMichael
Banned
And that's exactly what is wrong. The dedicated PC game market has the comperable size of the used market of console games.
And you shouldn't make the mistake and add casual and f2p games completly to the PC market because they are either platform independent (browser based) or are done on other systems like iPhone.
In fact the dedicated PC market was even shrinking in 2013 - 392m vs 464m in 2012.
Search "PAL 2013" on GAF, you can check out the German charts for every single week of the year.
CarlieCaplin
Member
That's actually not true. You can find plenty of online deals including the console + 2 games/2 controllers/+kinect and other crap for 299 or 350 Euro.
Check out this link here. The first page displays several online/offline deals from the last 4-5 weeks including Amazon, Saturn, Müller and Gamestop.
http://chillmo.com/?s=xbox+one&submit=+
Wii chart is restricted and Wii U doesn't even exist?
Feels like 0:0 to me lol. None of my friends own an Xbox One OR a PS4 (although one preordered it and then sold it for like 600 on ebay after a month), one owns a WiiU. All of us own a capable gaming PC though, with the younger siblings also owning a hand-me-down PC from us. 20 persons total or so.
Anecdotal evidence ftw
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Haven't found a deal online with a second controller and a game under 300. But yeah, you can get the console pretty cheap online.
Feels like 0:0 to me lol. None of my friends own an Xbox One OR a PS4 (although one preordered it and then sold it for like 600 on ebay after a month), one owns a WiiU. All of us own a capable gaming PC though, with the younger siblings also owning a hand-me-down PC from us. 20 persons total or so.
Anecdotal evidence ftw
Some of my family/friends play PC games. Facebook stuff, Sims and Rollercoaster Tycoon.
FranXico
Member
I get that it might be a factor, but why do people still use Skype in that case?
What are alternatives? I recently switched to Hangouts, which is just as likely to be an NSA partner, but which doesn't make my phone and PC crash.
No, all platforms are represented, but it would seem that way if you look at the charts.
This is the top 100 in Germany last year:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=966668
46 of the top 100 were on Playstation, keep in mind that the majority of them were at the top of the chart, thus representing vastly more sales than what charts in the bottom 50.
What if it's not about the brand.
That is something we ask our refugees too. (there is a debate going on right now here about that subject)
Edit: and it's pretty awful to ask this a refugee who escaped hell
FranXico
Member
The brand is always a factor. US and UK are typically more brand loyal to Xbox and you can see that sales are somewhat more even there.
Visualante2
Member
And a commendable regard for privacy. I think the original Kinect spying allegations really hurt the brand in Germany. True or not.
FranXico
Member
Europeans in general are more mindful of privacy issues, and more aware of Microsoft's history as a company.
Oh, God. You're right. There are still idiots who say this.
No I dont think the UK is particularly brand loyal, just go with what is percepted as the better system - perhaps plainly the one that deals with multi-plats better - last gen that was the 360, this gen it seems to be the PS4...
ps3ud0 8)
Nothing wrong, lucky guy ;D
but seriously even the 360 was far away from the PS3 Numbers so it is no surprise.
Jimmyfenix
Member
I can agree with this
Yep. Not surprising that the gap between the Xbox and Playstation would be even bigger this gen.
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I don't know about the UK but I believe the Xbox One currently makes up around the same percentage of current gen consoles sold in America as the 360 did during the majority of last gen (about 35%).
Hm, there isn't a thread for 2013, is there? Couldn't find one. Also, it seems they are omitting digital sales. PC has barely any entries and is missing Minecraft completely. Considering digital PC was slightly above 50% while digital console was slightly below 10%, it's a huge difference.
The PC shelves are likely bigger because there are more games to place on them. Note that about half of them are occupied by hidden object games, simulators and other casual budget games (actual section headers, occupying about equal amounts of space each). The revenue may be misleading there because many of these games are much cheaper than console games (well, all PC games are cheaper than console games by 10-20 but with these games the difference is even bigger).
The console shelves already seem to contain all the games they can (and sometimes even more, my local Saturn is padding the Vita section by attaching ads for PSN-only games to PSN cards and slotting them into the game shelves so you can see Atelier games and Monster Monpiece on those shelves). The games section is still smaller than the music section.
Jedem das Seine.
The console shelves already seem to contain all the games they can (and sometimes even more, my local Saturn is padding the Vita section by attaching ads for PSN-only games to PSN cards and slotting them into the game shelves so you can see Atelier games and Monster Monpiece on those shelves). The games section is still smaller than the music section.
Jedem das Seine.
Nothing. Looks like a fun Halo group to me. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem with the Xbox is that it's A: not the PlayStation and B: Germany isn't the US. MS didn't do much to strengthen the brand in Germany and Germany in response is showing them the cold shoulder.
True, but the PC is heavily skewed in those categories and has a significant userbase size advantage according to the latest Newzoo figures to add weight to that. The 2012 numbers are also a bit vague in the sense that they had different categories back then, for example MMO and Online weren't separate things, and I believe one of them was lumped with the general 'PC Digital' category which further messes up the data, making comparisons harder to confirm.
I've been meaning to look into the details of that info, including whether it includes hardware for consoles.
PdotMichael
Banned
PC shelves are normally dominated by budget titles or old men stuff like all the simulator games It makes sense that Media Markt or Saturn put the focus on such games because they target people who still don't buy their games online.
This feels wrong.
Yes, that's only physical, but my point was that Playstation platforms sell the vast majority of software in Germany, the first 360 title was #25, while the first XB1 title was #55, both being FIFA, the most popular franchise in EU.