TylerDurden4321
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Wait, you're saying for every PS3 owner in Nov 2013 there were almost 2 Xbox 360 owners.... in GERMANY?!???
Judging from my personal experience, I wouldn't believe those numbers, even if they were 100% official.
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Germany Hardware LTD through March 2015: PS4 1.6 million, XBO 378K
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Wait, you're saying for every PS3 owner in Nov 2013 there were almost 2 Xbox 360 owners.... in GERMANY?!???
Judging from my personal experience, I wouldn't believe those numbers, even if they were 100% official.
Sorry, wrong order. It's the opposite order.
Oh it's being advertised alright.
They had an Xbox One ad featuring Halo 5 & Tomb Raider during the Mayweather v Pac fight.
Ireland here.
Coincidence.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Lol
Impressive numbers and that's without the console sellers like farm simulator coming in a few weeks
Last gen was an outlier because of Krazy Ken and the 360's 1.5 year head start. It's just back to normal PS2-era sell ratios for European console sales.
MS have undone all the progress they made on the European continent in the last 13 years. Shame really. I loved my Xbox and Xbox 360, but they have totally lost me.
MS have undone all the progress they made on the European continent in the last 13 years. Shame really. I loved my Xbox and Xbox 360, but they have totally lost me.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Judging by the sales number of games?
You have to consider that piracy is also big here. The sales numbers of mid-range to high-end graphic cards would be interesting compared to the pc games sales numbers.
Lion Heart
Banned
And this my friends is why a 50/50 split in NA is really bad for Xbone. They need at least a 2:1 Market share.
It's not true that the UK is typically more brand loyal to xBox, we usually go for whatever is cheap. The 360 situation was more down to it's price and much earlier launch than any kind of brand loyalty, as previously the PS2 wiped the floor with the xbox here. Why so many people switched back to Sony at launch this time around was probably due to price again.
PdotMichael
Banned
Microsoft has the general reputation of being the ugly OS monopolist in Europe. It's something that will haunt Microsoft forever and in all end consumer fields like consoles or phones outside of the professional business fields.
Bedameister
Member
And the explanation the Sony boss of Germany is giving are third-party marketing-cooperations. Jeah way to go Sony. So exclusive games don't really count anymore. What is important is to keep people thinking that games are exclusive even though they are not.
staticneuron
Member
How can someone count or calculate unofficial numbers?
Can you explain why 360 did do well in US and UK then?
After all Xbox brand was weak and Playstation brand huge thanks to PS1 and PS2.
If it was about brand 360 wouldn't have stood a chance.
Clearly other factors such as price, perception of which plays games better, stability of online infrastructure play a part.
Mind you PS4 is on course to be clear winner whic would give Sony three big winners out of four generations and a decent effort with PS3.
Maybe it is all about brand but the mistake is thinking the Xbox brand is the stronger?
Myself I don't think US or UK brand loyalty is that strong with mass market. I believe price and market perception are the two key pillars and PS4 was the clear leader with those.
Well, that's what you say. I bet they are glad they didn't call it Xbox 0.
Wasn't Xbox Infinite or Infinity one of the rumored labels? Should have gone with that.
Because the PS3 was a terrible, terrible console. They somewhat managed to turn the ship around the last 2 years of it's life cycle but before that the 360 simply was the much better console.
anexanhume
Member
Axis > Allies
Crimson_Gold
Member
Look what hyrdophilic_attack has started. WW3: the console war
The sales are official in Germany but unofficial in the import countries
Not necessarily. Depends how they are tracked. If Tier 2 bought them wholesale that shouldn't show up here.
Numbers are from Gfk.
So they are very much accurate for sell through at retail/online in Germany.
At launch is t was very late and very expensive, especially in Europe.
PdotMichael
Banned
Pretty sure, that the PS3 outsold the 360 in pretty much all countries which aren't the USA or UK since the PS3 slim in 2009.
Yes, but how do you know if and how many of these are Tier 2 retailers buying Tier 1 stock, if any.
That just shows you how loyal people are. It would have been even worse if the PS3 would've been on par or better than the 360. If the 360 would have had an as horrible start as the X1 there would be no X1.
Yep..and still people bought it, simply because they loved the PS1 and 2.
psn
Member
Oh my... Are you on drugs? Serious question.
NSU killings: A small group of neonazis--> 9 victims. Yeah, very comparable to the killings in WW II. Nothing has changed here.
Abandoning thread with the biggest facepalm possible.
which console is better is quite subjective..
fact is that the PS3 sold better than the 360 at a higher price for the longest time before they equaled them on that front.. People still seem to forget that the 360 had a 1 year lead and sold less year over year worldwide than the PS3 even when it was at its most troubled times.
It doesn't matter.
A sale is still a sale.
How many of the US sales for XB1 and PS4 are shipped to other countries straight away? Answer- more than you think.
You seemingly do not understand.
When a sale is only tracked on point of purchase at a retailer that GfK tracks then in the situation that I just described this will not show up for Germany numbers.
The time the 360 had a (big) price advantage in Europe was very short.
About half a year after the ps3 launched in Europe Sony introduced the 399 40 GB version.
A 360 with a hdd at that time cost 349 (20GB) or 449 (120GB).
Kölsch Bloot
Member
It does happen quite often here in Germany. I've seen X1 billboards as well as TV adverts somehow more frequently than PS4 adverts.
Yes I know.
But that's not what you asked. You asked-
By saying "how many of these" you're referring to the numbers in the OP correct?
I was answering that question.
Therefore I said that people buying for other countries happens all the time. So it doesn't matter.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Honestly you would think worse if you see the software for XBone in the German charts, but makes more sense if a few of those were sold to tier 2 countries.
Horrible, yet expected really.
Horrible, yet expected really.
Hans.Gruber
Banned
Don't think so. I can only tell from my own friends and people I know, but last gen it was pretty much the same ratio. Didn't know many ppl who had a 360.
"Playstation" is (almost) synonomous with video gaming in German culture. So even if the next Xbox is better than the One and there are no crew ups/prism scandals, I think 1:2 would be the best MS could do. 1:1 would be a pipe dream.
But that's exactly what I asked.
There is context preceding the one you quote in your post, and I don't think it's necessary for me to now chain quote 6 quotes but if you insist that this needs to be done because I need to correct a misreading on your end then I can do that.
slavesnyder
Member
1. He is clueless
2. As long as it works
3. There are so many other reasons
4. A trained monkey could do this job
5. Do you have a link?
From where?
Only source I remember is the GAME report in late March and that was "3M combined, ahead of expectations".
edit: nevermind, different sources were confusing. Report says 3.3M and 0.7M for Spain.
Omnistalgic
Member
What studios are based in Germany?
Define "easily". Even with a price advantage, time advantage and generally better multiplats 360 got whipped by PS3
Crytek Frankfurt
Deck13 Interactive
Yager Development
Ubisoft Blue Byte
Piranha Bytes
are probably the most noteworthy ones that made recognizable games.
Bedameister
Member
http://www.boerse-online.de/nachric...ski-Kulturrevolution-mit-der-PS4-1000605388/2
Google-Translate (got no time to translate myself, must go, my people need me)
I know. The member I quoted said it was all about brand. It clearly isn't. That's my point. If it was 360 would have been slaughtered as consider Xbox brand at 360 launch vs PlayStation brand.
And of course this gen you have the PS4 as the simply better console for gaming (by that I mean it's specification design is easier to code and run games on and it can run games "better" than Xbox One for the most part from a technical perspective. Hence this time around with the PS4 running most games somewhat better and launching cheaper majority of buyers in US and UK promptly swung back to PlayStation over Xbox.
Brand is important, but it only goes so far if the product itself has market perception issues and price challenges. As the PS3 proved already and so far this gen the XB1 is proving.
