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SWERY (D4, Deadly Premonition) working on high-school detective game story

krizzx

Junior Member
so its something like during the day or night she uses her sexual frustration to give her the energy to continue solving cases/problems. Dont we all do that at one point? ;) dont see the big deal
A creator wants to create it, it's his prerogative.

Nobody said anything about liking it. But I'm not going to feel embarrassed for both myself and the medium just because things like this exist.

I simply think you're being too hyperbolic. I can easily find flash porn games, strip poker, and 18+ adult content games on the internet. All of those are 'games' too. I accept their place in the gaming subculture.


Well spoken. Of course, in the west anything of a seemingly sexual nature gets met with hate and scorn. The Japanese culture's lax attitude regarding sexual things and their general disdain for violence and gore are a boon to creativity if you ask me. I cringe to think of a world where the only things that are considered acceptable in media are murder and drama.
 
You can have this one for free Swery

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God damn it, lol.
 

daveo42

Banned
You're missing centuries of American puritanical culture apparently, lucky for you.

Well, we did have doctors with sex machines at one point as it was a cure for hysterical women. But yes, anything related to sex nowadays is bad because of the children.
 

koorigashi

Neo Member
I really want to see it made just for all the Kotaku/Polygon/The Guardian/etc. tears and drama and it will cause.

Plus it just sounds pretty neat, I'd be interested in seeing how he approaches it. Would back on KS.

EDIT: VR + motion control support stretch goals amiright?
 

Corpekata

Banned
You're missing centuries of American puritanical culture apparently, lucky for you.

He's missing a few other things like common sense.


C'mon folks. You can be excited without this obnoxious "I have no clue why anyone would be put off by this" nonsense that nobody buys anytime a dev makes a game about sexy schoolgirls.
 
Yeah, I think getting weirded out by the concept of a schoolgirl getting her rocks off to solve murders goes a bit deeper than puritanical sensibilities, y'all.
 

Lyriell

Member
He's missing a few other things like common sense.


C'mon folks. You can be excited without this obnoxious "I have no clue why anyone would be put off by this" nonsense that nobody buys anytime a dev makes a game about sexy schoolgirls.

He didn't mention "Sexy schoolgirls." He said a schoolgirl who uses her powers of imagination during masturbation. I see this like that TV series Medium but instead of dreams at night maybe during her masturbation she has random premonitions.... deadly premonitions???!!

I think we all can safely say most teenagers masturbate. We dont even need to see it in the game... you can allude it with noise or something... even sound from behind a door then flash to her bolting up in bed with some strange visions.

Sexual behaviour is normal in society and I dont need to see schoolgirls masturbating, but I wouldn't poo poo his idea.

The concept of having some sort of mystical moment during a sexual moment is not so shocking an idea.
 

koorigashi

Neo Member
He didn't mention "Sexy schoolgirls." He said a schoolgirl who uses her powers of imagination during masturbation. I see this like that TV series Medium but instead of dreams at night maybe during her masturbation she has random premonitions.... deadly premonitions???!!

I think we all can safely say most teenagers masturbate. We dont even need to see it in the game... you can allude it with noise or something... even sound from behind a door then flash to her bolting up in bed with some strange visions.

Sexual behaviour is normal in society and I dont need to see schoolgirls masturbating, but I wouldn't poo poo his idea.

The concept of having some sort of mystical moment during a sexual moment is not so shocking an idea.

In fact mysticism and sexuality are HEAVILY historically intertwined. IIRC, many witches' broomsticks meant for masturbation.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
Swery, you are one crazy diamond, I'll give you that.

In fact mysticism and sexuality are HEAVILY historically intertwined. IIRC, many witches' broomsticks meant for masturbation.

To be fair, a lot of that comes from Alister Crowley being an insane quack.
 
I just read this interview and came to GAF to find out if anyone had made a thread yet. I'm really glad I didn't have to make the "Swery wants to make a game about masturbation" thread.

You can have this one for free Swery

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Oh damn this one got me good
 
It really says a lot about our society as a whole that a sexy schoolgirl masturbating is now a bad thing, and that it's more reviled than murdering innocent people because you can.

Now you can say that in GTA you don't have to murder civilians, but here you'd have to masturbate, but you know the bedsheets of Rockstar's dev team would run red with the blood of orphans if they announced you could no longer kill innocent civilians in GTAVI, or if they patched it out of older entries.

Every single one of you does porn to an extent. Teen/School Girl is in the top 5 of every major Western nation in the world, so how many of the people who would cry foul at the game's subject matter would search for similar, more graphic fare on a porn site within the month?

So many people participate in the teen schoolgirl type fetish that it's one of the most common role play scenarios in the bedroom, and is often advertised in those lovely magazines aimed at women, like Cosmo, sitting right there at the checkout line for everyone to read about.

How is a fictional character masturbating worse than any of this? Hell, at least the character would have some reason behind masturbating that extends beyond doing it for fun, unlike slaughtering innocents in most M-rated games that allow it.
 
It really says a lot about our society as a whole that a sexy schoolgirl masturbating is now a bad thing, and that it's more reviled than murdering innocent people because you can.

Now you can say that in GTA you don't have to murder civilians, but here you'd have to masturbate, but you know the bedsheets of Rockstar's dev team would run red with the blood of orphans if they announced you could no longer kill innocent civilians in GTAVI, or if they patched it out of older entries.

Every single one of you does porn to an extent. Teen/School Girl is in the top 5 of every major Western nation in the world, so how many of the people who would cry foul at the game's subject matter would search for similar, more graphic fare on a porn site within the month?

So many people participate in the teen schoolgirl type fetish that it's one of the most common role play scenarios in the bedroom, and is often advertised in those lovely magazines aimed at women, like Cosmo, sitting right there at the checkout line for everyone to read about.

How is a fictional character masturbating worse than any of this? Hell, at least the character would have some reason behind masturbating that extends beyond doing it for fun, unlike slaughtering innocents in most M-rated games that allow it.

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Corpekata

Banned
It really says a lot about our society as a whole that a sexy schoolgirl masturbating is now a bad thing, and that it's more reviled than murdering innocent people because you can.

Now you can say that in GTA you don't have to murder civilians, but here you'd have to masturbate, but you know the bedsheets of Rockstar's dev team would run red with the blood of orphans if they announced you could no longer kill innocent civilians in GTAVI, or if they patched it out of older entries.

Every single one of you does porn to an extent. Teen/School Girl is in the top 5 of every major Western nation in the world, so how many of the people who would cry foul at the game's subject matter would search for similar, more graphic fare on a porn site within the month?

So many people participate in the teen schoolgirl type fetish that it's one of the most common role play scenarios in the bedroom, and is often advertised in those lovely magazines aimed at women, like Cosmo, sitting right there at the checkout line for everyone to read about.

How is a fictional character masturbating worse than any of this? Hell, at least the character would have some reason behind masturbating that extends beyond doing it for fun, unlike slaughtering innocents in most M-rated games that allow it.

Can I invest in your company? You're clearly in the Straw Man construction business and quite good at it.
 
Of course it had to be a high school girl. I swear I'd respect this idea a lot more if he'd have the audacity of *gasp* making his masturbatory female lead of college age at least.

But no, of course his character who can't stop touching herself couldn't possibly be over 18 lest she gets called an old hag or something.
 
Can I invest in your company? You're clearly in the Straw Man construction business and quite good at it.

I'm going to be completely sincere here, can you explain to me how what I made was a straw man argument? I'm not exactly smart, but I am open to learning. I just need it broken down into basic pieces for me.

A straw man is a fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument, right? I never engaged anyone and simply pointed out some things that struck me as f*cked up.

There'd be an uproar if this game were announced by any middling to large publisher for a US release. Our society would cause a bigger scene over a teenage girl masturbating in a pixel world than senseless murder in said pixel world. At the same time, giant portions of the nation's population are signing on to porn sites at least once a month to masturbate to teenagers performing sexual acts, the least of which being masturbation.

Is that not f*cked up?
 

Corpekata

Banned
I'm going to be completely sincere here, can you explain to me how what I made was a straw man argument? I'm not exactly smart, but I am open to learning. I just need it broken down into basic pieces for me.

A straw man is a fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument, right? I never engaged anyone and simply pointed out some things that struck me as f*cked up.

There'd be an uproar if this game were announced by any middling to large publisher for a US release. Our society would cause a bigger scene over a teenage girl masturbating in a pixel world than senseless murder in said pixel world. At the same time, giant portions of the nation's population are signing on to porn sites at least once a month to masturbate to teenagers performing sexual acts, the least of which being masturbation.

Is that not f*cked up?


If your entire argument is basically "I bet the people who don't like XYZ are doing ABC and sticking their fingers in their DEFs" it's pretty much the definition of a straw man, whether you're addressing someone specifically or not. Your entire point lies on refuting people who you've assigned arbitrary traits to, down to even their porn preferences.
 
If your entire argument is basically "I bet the people who don't like XYZ are doing ABC and sticking their fingers in their DEFs" it's pretty much the definition of a straw man, whether you're addressing someone specifically or not. Your entire point lies on refuting people who you've assigned arbitrary traits to, down to even their porn preferences.

I wasn't aware I was making an argument instead of stating my opinion, but my bad. How about this:

I am disappointed that I feel our society as a whole would make a bigger fuss about the digital portrayal of a teenage girl masturbating than the senseless murder of innocents.

I also think there is a large amount of hypocrisy in the fact that on the whole we consume vast amounts of porn, of which teenagers are an inordinately large portion, but would likely have a shit storm on our hands if Blizzard announced they would make a game where a teenager masturbating in non-graphic fashion was a mechanic.

Is that any better at all?
 

cj_iwakura

Member
I wasn't aware I was making an argument instead of stating my opinion, but my bad. How about this:

I am disappointed that I feel our society as a whole would make a bigger fuss about the digital portrayal of a teenage girl masturbating than the senseless murder of innocents.

I also think there is a large amount of hypocrisy in the fact that on the whole we consume vast amounts of porn, of which teenagers are an inordinately large portion, but would likely have a shit storm on our hands if Blizzard announced they would make a game where a teenager masturbating in non-graphic fashion was a mechanic.

Is that any better at all?

Because the sexualization of minors is a much bigger legal issue than fictional slaughter. It might be the opposite in Japan(and it is), but Western sensibilities have to be considered if he wants it localized. Of course, it would never be, so it's best for him to just go crazy and let importers/fan translators have at it.
 
Because the sexualization of minors is a much bigger legal issue than fictional slaughter.

Wouldn't that be the sexualization of fictional minors in this case? That's also an assumption too because you can be legally of age while in high school as well.

I'd also argue that the sexualization of minors should be a back burner issue in comparison to our response to violence given recent events and trends.
 
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