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[BigTnaples]

That and it's one of the leanest install sizes for a AAA game this gen. Translation=those assets ain't all that.

The assets in terms of textures are mostly the same, and in fact most are upgraded.

Geralts Character model and other NPC have received massive upgrades in fidelity, also PBR has been added, as well as enhanced textures in many areas.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Well that video is depressing.



That and it's one of the leanest install sizes for a AAA game this gen. Translation=those assets ain't all that.

A ton of assets look much better since release of that initial footage. Some look worse.

 

[Totobeni]

lol k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpPqXdzl7g

Wow, they delivered almost nothing from the 2013 version this is just sad.

That is literal false advertising.

Yup.

Damn, forgot about this video. Did any of these features make it into the final release? Fur maybe?

from the some video we got even fur/hairworks was toned down (it seems other Nvidia gameworks effects were toned down or just got cut completely like the particles)

 

[cripterion]

Inconsistent graphical quality in an open world game? Really, people say the weirdest things...

You've been trying so hard to defend every single aspect of this game in this thread, at this point I don't even know why you even bother.

There are open world games that are consistent in quality so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Some screenshots look great, others are a bit jarring. The character models look drastically better then the environment in which they reside.

Edit: Foliage is just blagh.

I agree.

 

[DOWN]

The assets in terms of textures are mostly the same, and in fact most are upgraded.

Geralts Character model and other NPC have received massive upgrades in fidelity, also PBR has been added, as well as enhanced textures in many areas.

Every open world game should be pushing 50GB

 

[EatChildren]

According to reviews the environments are expansive and diverse. The quests plentiful, layered, and fully voiced. Game content, in general, extreme.

But no, we're at the install-file-size-is-too-small stage.

 

[Vitor711]

That is literal false advertising.

An internal demo that was never shown off to the public is false advertising? Uh, OK.

The game was downgraded, but that video is proof of jack-sh*t.

 

[StevieP]

Wha? Everyone already knew the consoles' specs before they launched. Straight off the bat, EA/Dice, Crytek and Ubisoft were already lobbying pretty hard for what they wanted out of the consoles and got it.

CDPR released a target they knew they weren't going to hit. Only difference now is instead of the usual misleading console footage, CDPR went with miusleading pc footage.

They got extra ram is what they got. Everything else about the consoles remained pretty much true to their spec sheets which were basically in many hands 2 years prior to their launch. Oh yeah, and the CPU went from a semi decent 4 core desktop variety to an anemic 8 core netbook variety from the paperwork to the final release.

Ask engine makers like epic and crytek how they really feel one day

 

[Totobeni]

An internal demo that was never shown off to the public is false advertising? Uh, OK.

The game was downgraded, but that video is proof of jack-sh*t.

E3 2013 Witcher trailer using the same scenes from that video but without pointing out Nvidia effect. and the 2013 version is pure false advertising.

 

[DOWN]

According to reviews the environments are expansive and diverse. The quests plentiful, layered, and fully voiced. Game content, in general, extreme.

But no, we're at the install-file-size-is-too-small stage.

Max.out.my.hard.drive.with.beauty. If you have left a ton of room on the disc in a massive open world game, I arbitrarily want to question it. I know not to say stuff like "don't see how it couldn't be 60fps with those visuals," but I break that logic in this case.

 

[Last Hearth]

E3 2013 Witcher trailer using the same scenes from that video but without pointing out Nvidia effect. and the 2013 version is pure false advertising.

It's not advertising, so it can't be false advertising. You can't false advertise a game 2 years before it releases, you can only talk about what kind of game you envision. If they continued to misrepresent the game features after they do a feature lock then you may have a point.

 

[Derp]

lol k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpPqXdzl7g

And people think the Watch Dogs or Dark Souls 2 downgrade was worse than this... Jesus christ.

Anyone have the Novigrad downgrade comparison (as in, the downgraded version of this)? It shows a lot of what is now gone.

So in summary, textures and assets were completely reworked (for the worse), foliage is... Let's not go there, lighting was changed apparently, but I'm not sure to what extent, the colour palette was changed big time, all that shit in the Nvidia video doesn't seem to exist at all except for HairWorks, texture quality took a hit, and the only thing that seems to still be fine (or got better) is the character models. How the hell can you even compare this to the WD or DS2 downgrade?

 

[EatChildren]

Max.out.my.hard.drive.with.beauty. If you have left a ton of room on the disc in a massive open world game, I arbitrarily want to question it. I know not to say stuff like "don't see how it couldn't be 60fps with those visuals," but I break that logic in this case.

Yes well it's nice to want things, but a perfect world of game development where developers have the tools, time, manpower, and budget to consistently fill the disk with pretty things doesn't exist.

 

[curiouscharles]

I edited it in late, but the comparison shots were the ultra 1440pc PC shots from flickr, in my post anyway.

If you can get to 5K it starts to look a bit better in spots it seems:



Although that might just be cause it's washed out.

wow, colour banding becomes very obvious that that high resolution [displayed on a 1440p screen].

 

[icecold1983]

And people think the Watch Dogs or Dark Souls 2 downgrade was worse than this... Jesus christ.

Anyone have the Novigrad downgrade comparison (as in, the downgraded version of this)? It shows a lot of what is now gone.

So in summary, textures and assets were completely reworked (for the worse), foliage is... Let's not go there, lighting was changed apparently, but I'm not sure to what extent, the colour palette was changed big time, all that shit in the Nvidia video doesn't seem to exist at all except for HairWorks, texture quality took a hit, and the only thing that seems to still be fine (or got better) is the character models. How the hell can you even compare this to the WD or DS2 downgrade?

this is definitely worse than either of those 2 titles. its almost the worst ive ever seen, really only topped by blatantly labeling cgi as gameplay ala killzone 2 and motorstorm

 

[SPACECADET]

Such a bummer. It doesn't look appealing to me anymore.

 

[Tworak]

And people think the Watch Dogs or Dark Souls 2 downgrade was worse than this... Jesus christ.

Anyone have the Novigrad downgrade comparison (as in, the downgraded version of this)? It shows a lot of what is now gone.

So in summary, textures and assets were completely reworked (for the worse), foliage is... Let's not go there, lighting was changed apparently, but I'm not sure to what extent, the colour palette was changed big time, all that shit in the Nvidia video doesn't seem to exist at all except for HairWorks, texture quality took a hit, and the only thing that seems to still be fine (or got better) is the character models. How the hell can you even compare this to the WD or DS2 downgrade?

yeah, they took a huge dump on it and didn't flush.

sucks, but oh well such is videogames life.

 

[EatChildren]

Anyone have the Novigrad downgrade comparison (as in, the downgraded version of this)? It shows a lot of what is now gone.

The sharpening on this image, along with a lot of the 2013 images, is utterly abhorrent and I'm convinced make some people perceive the texture quality as higher than it actually is.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

lol k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpPqXdzl7g

This is worse than Watch Dogs. This is literally Night and Day difference. I mean come on, the village on fire looks so damn epic, and nothing like that in the current version.

P.S I have the game, and I love it, so this is not the point here that the game sucks. What sucks is how they lured everyone with the promise of great looking graphics and then barely delivered on it. That's not how you advertise your game.

For all the hate The Order 1886 gets, atleast the Graphics were even better than the original reveal.

 

[DOWN]

My TV is gonna cry in confusion with how bad I'm going to mess with the advanced color and white balance settings to get this flat game coloring toned out of my life

 

[EatinOlives]

Max.out.my.hard.drive.with.beauty. If you have left a ton of room on the disc in a massive open world game, I arbitrarily want to question it. I know not to say stuff like "don't see how it couldn't be 60fps with those visuals," but I break that logic in this case.

They could've made 1 ground texture in the game 50 gb in size (same dimensions and quality mind you) and, let's be honest, you wouldn't have known otherwise.

The perception that "takes up more hard drive space = higher fidelity!!" is completely misguided. Go look at Final Fantasy XIII on the PC. A whopping 60 gigs because squeenix for no good reason decided to include a full Japanese track and accompanying alternate FMVs that had the Japanese lip syncing. The worst part is that the FMV quality itself sucks ass for both languages with artifacts out the ass and tin-can audio because including copies of all movies and audio in two languages and preserving the quality to match that on the PS3 version would've made for an even larger install size. So not only is the PC version of the game huge but the movie quality is horrible.

It's far easier to leave a game unoptimized and have it take up a shitton of space than it is to properly compress assets and keep disk size in check. Applauding huge game installs because it makes you feel like you're getting your money's work is pretty much applauding crappy optimization.

 

[icecold1983]

wonder how all the people who defended cdprs talk of "we are holding back ultra settings so pc gamers have a great surprise!!!" feel now

 

[Derp]

The sharpening on this image, along with a lot of the 2013 images, is utterly abhorrent and I'm convinced make some people perceive the texture quality as higher than it actually is.

I can definitely see what you mean, but that's not what i'm focusing on. If anyone has the Novigrad comparison please post it (i can't find it but i remember it being posted somewhere in the thread), because the difference is absolutely huge (even if you ignore the difference in sharpness - everything you can think of was changed).

Also would sharpening be something we can apply to the game? Do we know if that option will exist, like we've seen in those 2013 screenshots?

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I forgot but someone earlier had asked about this comparison.

This is from December 2014 build compared to latest PS4 version.

 

[Painkiller Q8]

Just posted my review, all my gameplay XboxOne 1080p .. The language is Arabic so you might wanna mute it and check the visuals only.

Here
https://youtu.be/oADGSCyx7PA

 

[ss_lemonade]

The sharpening on this image, along with a lot of the 2013 images, is utterly abhorrent and I'm convinced make some people perceive the texture quality as higher than it actually is.

It isn't just the sharpening though. The environmental detail/quality just seems to be way higher than what have with the final version.

 

[icecold1983]

I forgot but someone earlier had asked about this comparison.

This is from December 2014 build compared to latest PS4 version.

the game literally got downgraded more and more with each passing month

 

[Xtyle]

here's a review from someone who played PC, Xbone, and PS4 versions and he does make comparisons between them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz2AkYJ2lMI


ops...wrong thread...but I guess he still talks about PC vs console versions

 

[Kaze2212]

I can definitely see what you mean, but that's not what i'm focusing on. If anyone has the Novigrad comparison please post it (i can't find it but i remember it being posted somewhere in the thread), because the difference is absolutely huge (even if you ignore the difference in sharpness - everything you can think of was changed).

Also would sharpening be something we can apply to the game? Do we know if that option will exist, like we've seen in those 2013 screenshots?

The sharpening option does exist in the in-game options for the PC version. But I think I read that CDPR toned it down, becasue they believe they overdid it with the effect in the older screens.

 

[DOWN]

They could've made 1 ground texture in the game 50 gb in size (same dimensions and quality mind you) and, let's be honest, you wouldn't have known otherwise.

The perception that "takes up more hard drive space = higher fidelity!!" is completely misguided. Go look at Final Fantasy XIII on the PC. A whopping 60 gigs because squeenix for no good reason decided to include a full Japanese track and accompanying alternate FMVs that had the Japanese lip syncing. The worst part is that the FMV quality itself sucks ass for both languages with artifacts out the ass and tin-can audio because including copies of all movies and audio in two languages and preserving the quality to match that on the PS3 version would've made for an even larger install size. So not only is the PC version of the game huge but the movie quality is horrible.

It's far easier to leave a game unoptimized and have it take up a shitton of space than it is to properly compress assets and keep disk size in check. Applauding huge game installs because it makes you feel like you're getting your money's work is pretty much applauding crappy optimization.

I said right in the post I know it is not the logical truth and is an arbitrary measure. Disgusting looking idTech 5 stuff takes up wild space in much smaller worlds (40gb for a 7 hour Wolfenstein campaign lmao). Heck, the two arguably most advanced looking and visually polished games on the market are both under 30 gb, (The Order and Driveclub).

But really, it does feel better when a game takes up big space AND comes from a great developer that has a history of delivering. I'm obviously NOT asking for unoptimized space.

 

[Kaze2212]

I forgot but someone earlier had asked about this comparison.

This is from December 2014 build compared to latest PS4 version.

Is that a direct screenshot from PS4? (Was me who asked )

Becasue the screenshot quality seems pretty bad there.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Is that a direct screenshot from PS4? (Was me who asked )

Becasue the screenshot quality seems pretty bad there.

Sadly the compressed PS4 share quality.

Sony really needs to give us uncompressed PNG quality =/

Edit: Slightly better quality via USB share on PS4

 

[Yasae]

It's not advertising, so it can't be false advertising. You can't false advertise a game 2 years before it releases, you can only talk about what kind of game you envision. If they continued to misrepresent the game features after they do a feature lock then you may have a point.

You can and you can't. Trailers are always advertisements. You can't not make them advertising, and it's no different in gaming, but games basically advertise concept footage that far out.

Nobody really asks what any of that should mean to the people buying the game. What should they do with it? Know it's showing a bunch of things that will change and thus shrug their shoulders? Because who cares if they see a minute or two of something they'll never get to play essentially? That's not worth being excited over. What features do those trailers sell? Ooooooooooh, a big open world. Ooooooooooh, Geralt's back. That's about it - they didn't sell combat, they didn't sell dialogue, their story details were scant etc. They didn't sell the meat and potatoes of the game. Trailers usually don't...... So we're left with visuals.

I'm sick of making these arguments though. Nobody has been able to argue whether marketing uses these tools responsibly (hint hint: they don't) or that any of this smoke and mirrors, regardless of its core intention, will disappear. You can even throw away a lot of the early stuff and go by the 35 minute demo and still come out with a downgrade. At least that was marked.

 

[icecold1983]

I can definitely see what you mean, but that's not what i'm focusing on. If anyone has the Novigrad comparison please post it (i can't find it but i remember it being posted somewhere in the thread), because the difference is absolutely huge (even if you ignore the difference in sharpness - everything you can think of was changed).

Also would sharpening be something we can apply to the game? Do we know if that option will exist, like we've seen in those 2013 screenshots?

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[ISee]

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WAU. That is a huge difference.Is the (2nd) screenshot from a video or 'just' a screenshot? Because it looks like someone used photoshop to prettify it (in comparison to the first ingame screenshot).

 

[Pachinko]

I'm kind of surprised everyone seems so up in arms over this right now. If it was 1 week from today and everyone got to experience the game on their own systems and tweaked it up to the max settings and what have you - fine. gripe away I guess. For now though it seems like only the press has played the game on PC and the only versions that people have bought leaked copies of seem to be PS4/XB1 editions.

Also, CDPR is pretty good about "fixing" every single major issue with these witcher games as well as adding new free content and such a year or so after release. Witcher 1 eventually got the enhanced edition which royally cleaned up the games issues and even witcher 2 ended up with an enhanced edition eventually where things were more optimized and some extra content was thrown in.

What's to say the detail level shown of in the the older previews doesn't exist somewhere waiting to be put back into the game for a time when they can do so in a more optimized fashion ? Or even if it's just a way to keep the console editions looking to different for now - would you rather the game got delayed 2 more years and cost another 30 million to develop just to make it slightly prettier OR does it make more sense to just get it out and move on ?

I'm kind of in the latter camp myself. I don't feel I was lied to , when a game is shown off more than 12 months before release - it's impossible for anything we all get to see to NOT be a target. The closer a title gets to release the more things have to be optimized to actually work and that means trade offs with certain details. Even Watch Dogs had to do it , clearly ubisoft couldn't get the game to work as well as they wanted with the original special effects and they were required to run the game on an xbox 360 just as well as on a high end PC so a compromise was made.

In the Witcher 3's case I think we should just be thankful it wasn't also cross gen. As it stands I feel like it looks on par with something like GTA5 (in it's PC/PS4/XB1 incarnation) and that's still better than most games.

 

[icecold1983]

WAU. That is a huge difference.Is the (2nd) screenshot from a video or 'just' a screenshot? Because it looks like someone used photoshop to prettify it (in comparison to the first ingame screenshot).

its an "in-game" screen cdpr released during e3 2013.

 

[Kaze2212]

Sadly the compressed PS4 share quality.

Sony really needs to give us uncompressed PNG quality =/

Edit: Slightly better quality via USB share on PS4

It seems though that they have toned down a bit on these rocks in the middle and have some lower textures in use in the PS4 version. (This could maybe be due to the use of sharpening).

But overall the difference would seem like the usual difference between PS4 and PC. Some tesselation on the rocks and better textures.

Now to wait for the PC version and see how that one holds up to that screen.

 

[tuxfool]

You've been trying so hard to defend every single aspect of this game in this thread, at this point I don't even know why you even bother.

Hardly. Had you followed other witcher threads you would know that isn't the case.

I'm in this thread, because I'm honestly interested to have an actual comparison. The whining, anger and other BS are just bonuses.

 

[tuxfool]

Yes well it's nice to want things, but a perfect world of game development where developers have the tools, time, manpower, and budget to consistently fill the disk with pretty things doesn't exist.

It is doubly amusing that this person is going be playing it on a ps4...

 

[Kaze2212]

WAU. That is a huge difference.Is the (2nd) screenshot from a video or 'just' a screenshot? Because it looks like someone used photoshop to prettify it (in comparison to the first ingame screenshot).

Keep in mind that you are comparing an officially released screenshot at high resolution with a screengrab from a gameplay demo in lower resolution.

(I'm not saying that one of those looks better than the other, just wanted to point that out.)

 

[Dmax3901]

I keep coming into this thread for some reason. Every time it amazes me how worked up people can get over a games graphics, especially when the game isn't out, the reviews are almost entirely positive and the scope and quality seems far beyond any other open world to date.

 

[Derp]

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No no no that's not it. That screenshot is from the 35 minute gameplay demo or at the same event where that was shown, and the game has again be downgraded a LOT since that time. It looks much much worse than that.

I'll dig the thread for the comparison later. It's hella bad.

 

[dex3108]

I keep coming into this thread for some reason. Every time it amazes me how worked up people can get over a games graphics, especially when the game isn't out, the reviews are almost entirely positive and the scope and quality seems far beyond any other open world to date.

It was mentioned many times it is not graphics that many of us have issue with, it is promises that CDPR mad and many statements that were false. Game looks great.

 

[Kaze2212]

No no no that's not it. That screenshot is from the 35 minute gameplay demo or at the same event where that was shown, and the game has again be downgraded a LOT since that time. It looks much much worse than that.

I'll dig the thread for the comparison later. It's hella bad.

The comparison isn't really sound either, becaue we would have to compare the PC version to it. Sure there might not be much different between the current PC version and PS4 verison, but we don't know yet. (Everything we have seen so far doesn't point in that direction.)

Right to a fair trial and stuff.

Downsampled promo shot with everything cranked up vs Downsampled in-game shot of the best version available maxed out. If that can't hold up, then there has been a downgrade.

Edit:
Of course we need to compare the techincal aspects and not the aesthetics then.

 

[Virdix]

No no no that's not it. That screenshot is from the 35 minute gameplay demo or at the same event where that was shown, and the game has again be downgraded a LOT since that time. It looks much much worse than that.

I'll dig the thread for the comparison later. It's hella bad.

Arent these the images where the final third one youre looking for is PS4? Or was that the other set of gifs im that same area of the thread? These 100 pages are kind of a blur.

 

[Derp]

The comparison isn't really sound either, becaue we would have to compare the PC version to it. Sure there might not be much different between the current PC version and PS4 verison, but we don't know yet. (Everything we have seen so far doesn't point in that direction.)

Right to a fair trial and stuff.

Downsampled promo shot with everything cranked up vs Downsampled in-game shot of the best version available maxed out. If that can't hold up, then there has been a downgrade.

Okay but look at what I mean. The top screenshot is from the same demo the screenshot icecold posted. Bottom screenshot is what it looks like now.

As you can see it has been downgraded massively since the demo the top screenshot was taken.

I'm still trying to find the comparison I'm looking for lol.

 

[tuxfool]

It was mentioned many times it is not graphics that many of us have issue with, it is promises that CDPR made and many statements that were false. Game looks great.

Sure for some people. And their PR has been all over the place on these issues. But I wonder what grousing about it has achieved?

Some, people such as myself would find it interesting to get a straight answer. However, so much anger and so much BS has been peddled in this thread that I don't think we are going to get it. (see post above me)

 

[Tworak]

http://s10.postimg.org/yx3ztrumh/k_P3_Kat_E.jpg[img]
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woof that's an ugly looking game

 

[Dmax3901]

It was mentioned many times it is not graphics that many of us have issue with, it is promises that CDPR mad and many statements that were false. Game looks great.

Promises made in trailers? Because I guess that's a different discussion. What statements and promises are being referred to (if this is gonna repeat a whole discussion just send me on my way).