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Can Nintendo win you back?
- Thread starter GustyGardens
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Why not? It's worth the price.
No, not really. I mean I brought a 3ds last year. Where they lost me was their home consoles. I haven't owned one in years. I'm still waiting on Wii U to drop in price that's acceptable for me. Right now that $300 is just too much.
roddjbrown
Member
Weirdly Nintendo already won me back, at least in home consoles. I got a Wii as a present last gen and I just hated it. After the novelty of Wii Sports with my family for an hour or so it just wasn't for me and I got rid.
This gen. I got a WiiU as a result of my PS4 pre-order being delayed and I absolutely love it. It doesn't have the greatest library in terms of quantity but the quality is unbelievable and it's the console I'm most likely to fire up if I only have half an hour or so to spare. it's also the only console I play local multiplayer on with friends (though the options outside FIFA on PS4 are limited).
The WiiU made me realise how much I'd missed Nintendo games so I went out and bought a 3ds, and honestly the thing just gathers dust. I hate the screens, I hate the OS speed, I hate the 3D effect (yes I know it's optional). My Vita gets all my handheld time.
So in summary, to win me back is going to require a much improved handheld. I don't need it to offer the 3D effect, have 2 screens or allow stylus use. I just want it to be a mid-powered device with decent battery life.
This gen. I got a WiiU as a result of my PS4 pre-order being delayed and I absolutely love it. It doesn't have the greatest library in terms of quantity but the quality is unbelievable and it's the console I'm most likely to fire up if I only have half an hour or so to spare. it's also the only console I play local multiplayer on with friends (though the options outside FIFA on PS4 are limited).
The WiiU made me realise how much I'd missed Nintendo games so I went out and bought a 3ds, and honestly the thing just gathers dust. I hate the screens, I hate the OS speed, I hate the 3D effect (yes I know it's optional). My Vita gets all my handheld time.
So in summary, to win me back is going to require a much improved handheld. I don't need it to offer the 3D effect, have 2 screens or allow stylus use. I just want it to be a mid-powered device with decent battery life.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
bad controller + lack of games is why I have not bought a WiiU. Due to missing 99% of games, their home consoles will always be a secondary purchase which means the justification to buy is more demanding.
NuclearSpy
Member
In terms of strictly a console that I sit on a sofa to play?
Nothing at this point is going to win me back. I just really came to terms that I grew out Nintendo console experiences. What I do know is that I probably will purchase a Nintendo console for my daughter when that time comes around (Soon, since she is 3yo) because its an excellent console for kids.
For Handheld gaming?
I do have a 3DS (American and Japanese), but I don't own a single 1st party game on them. Once the 3rd party games that I enjoy disappear or dry up from future Nintendo handhelds, then I'm pretty much done with Nintendo. Of course, my 3yo will probably be interested in a future Nintendo handheld just like the many, many kids who enjoyed the gameboy and NDS.
So, pretty much Nintendo products will still be get purchased by me, but its very unlikely they will ever be seriously used by me. Thats pretty much how its looking right now.
Nothing at this point is going to win me back. I just really came to terms that I grew out Nintendo console experiences. What I do know is that I probably will purchase a Nintendo console for my daughter when that time comes around (Soon, since she is 3yo) because its an excellent console for kids.
For Handheld gaming?
I do have a 3DS (American and Japanese), but I don't own a single 1st party game on them. Once the 3rd party games that I enjoy disappear or dry up from future Nintendo handhelds, then I'm pretty much done with Nintendo. Of course, my 3yo will probably be interested in a future Nintendo handheld just like the many, many kids who enjoyed the gameboy and NDS.
So, pretty much Nintendo products will still be get purchased by me, but its very unlikely they will ever be seriously used by me. Thats pretty much how its looking right now.
Nintendo lost me with the Wii and motion controls. When the Wii was first revealed, I was enamored with the idea of motion controls and I used to be a staunch defender of the Wiimote and it's potential. And then I used it. Not my thing at all. Not to mention the worsening third party support (say what you want about the Gamecube, it had some solid third party games).
What will it take to get me back? Not sure. Multiplatform games and a unified, easy to manage online account would be a start. It's hard to say if that would be enough at this point though. I already have a PC, and am pretty heavily invested in Sony's platforms for now (Vita/PS4). I guess if the PS5 ends up not being backwards compatible, it'll be a clean slate for everyone next generation.
What will it take to get me back? Not sure. Multiplatform games and a unified, easy to manage online account would be a start. It's hard to say if that would be enough at this point though. I already have a PC, and am pretty heavily invested in Sony's platforms for now (Vita/PS4). I guess if the PS5 ends up not being backwards compatible, it'll be a clean slate for everyone next generation.
anotherVegan
Member
Nintendo never lost me.
I'm another that would need to see a price-cut/Nintendo selects range for Wii U games.
The 10 or so WiiU games I'd most like to play would probably cost me over £250 which I just can't justify at the moment. I'd rather spend that £35-40 for Mario 3D World on five PS3 and Vita games in a PSN sale, many of which I can play on both of those systems and a PS4 when/if I get one.
If Nintendo had a similar amount of cheaper cross-buy options and more future proofing then it would be a lot easier to justify.
I do have a 3DS.
The 10 or so WiiU games I'd most like to play would probably cost me over £250 which I just can't justify at the moment. I'd rather spend that £35-40 for Mario 3D World on five PS3 and Vita games in a PSN sale, many of which I can play on both of those systems and a PS4 when/if I get one.
If Nintendo had a similar amount of cheaper cross-buy options and more future proofing then it would be a lot easier to justify.
I do have a 3DS.
Value is a relative concept. I'll gladly pay more than full price for a 2D shmup, if it's good, but most people will buy one only if it's a cheap downloadable game. Clearly, they're not into the genre as I am.
DeuceGamer
Member
With my daughter getting old enough to start playing games I've slowly gravitated back to Nintendo for the current gen. I must say I'm glad. Their games have a polish and charm that are unique to Nintendo for the most part. I still enjoy other systems but Nintendo will continue to have a place in our home, especially eith my daughter now a huge Nintendi fan.
Agreed. I keep all my games but knowing games don't tank in value 2 weeks after purchase is a great feeling and why I tend to buy more Nintendo games day 1. Other Publishers I tend to wait for a deep discount so I don't feel like I was burnt.
I guess different people view it differently but I like knowing the games retain their value.
Agreed. I keep all my games but knowing games don't tank in value 2 weeks after purchase is a great feeling and why I tend to buy more Nintendo games day 1. Other Publishers I tend to wait for a deep discount so I don't feel like I was burnt.
I guess different people view it differently but I like knowing the games retain their value.
Jawmuncher
Member
Regardless of what they do I end up buying whatever they put out at some point. They do have smash after all.
I had the wii u, for the first 2 years I had it I loved it.
Then they dropped the support for it, fewer and fewer interesting games for my taste, a lot of third party and exclusives in the other consoles I wnated to play, bought a 360, and never looked back.
THey completely lost me. I feel no need to play anything they have in the pipeline anymore, save for a new metroid prime.
I will probably buy either the wii u or NX for my daughter, she is 4 months now, so it will be a few years until that happens. But for me, never again.
Then they dropped the support for it, fewer and fewer interesting games for my taste, a lot of third party and exclusives in the other consoles I wnated to play, bought a 360, and never looked back.
THey completely lost me. I feel no need to play anything they have in the pipeline anymore, save for a new metroid prime.
I will probably buy either the wii u or NX for my daughter, she is 4 months now, so it will be a few years until that happens. But for me, never again.
WadiumArcadium
Member
For hand-held's they're still the best in the business. The 3DS is fantastic and I'll probably buy it's successor. I'm not sure I'll buy another main Nintendo console though.
DrROBschiz
Member
They dont need to Win me back neccesarily
Still own a WiiU and New 3DS (although begrudgingly) thanks to the software they continue to provide.
I do expect a lot more going forward. No more backwards ass shenanigans. Get that Account system in order and make the NX something special
And if you cant do that then at the very least make it cheap
Still own a WiiU and New 3DS (although begrudgingly) thanks to the software they continue to provide.
I do expect a lot more going forward. No more backwards ass shenanigans. Get that Account system in order and make the NX something special
And if you cant do that then at the very least make it cheap
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
Never bought a Wii U because I don't see the point for the few games I want to play on it. Maybe when Zelda is out I'll get one. Honestly though at this point I might as well just wait on the NX.
Sold my 3DS because I played the games I wanted to play. Just weren't enough games coming out for it.
In my opinion they need more 3rd party games. I love Mario, Pokemon, Zelda but it's not enough for me to buy a console and if I do I'll no doubt quickly sell it. If 3rd party games came out I'd be more likely to get it and keep it.
Also, they need to create an account system like PSN or XBL. Not sure why on earth they haven't done it.
Sold my 3DS because I played the games I wanted to play. Just weren't enough games coming out for it.
In my opinion they need more 3rd party games. I love Mario, Pokemon, Zelda but it's not enough for me to buy a console and if I do I'll no doubt quickly sell it. If 3rd party games came out I'd be more likely to get it and keep it.
Also, they need to create an account system like PSN or XBL. Not sure why on earth they haven't done it.
They won me back with the Wii and I stuck around with the WiiU.
Two libraries that are completely overlooked (WiiU less so, though people still say there aren't "enough" games or whatever) but have a lot of gems.
Hoping the next console is a little more modern, though if I have to have a sub to play it online it'll end up like the Microsoft/Sony systems where I just don't play them online and stick to PC Gaming for that need.
Two libraries that are completely overlooked (WiiU less so, though people still say there aren't "enough" games or whatever) but have a lot of gems.
Hoping the next console is a little more modern, though if I have to have a sub to play it online it'll end up like the Microsoft/Sony systems where I just don't play them online and stick to PC Gaming for that need.
I do own a 3DS XL that I've had since 2012, haven't played it much over the last year and a half though (probably less than 20 hours worth).
The last nintendo home console I bought was the Wii, but their home console I 'truly' bought into their ecosystem and played a ton of was the gamecube. There are a few reasons why I haven't bought a Wii U:
1. Price - Honestly I have trouble justifying paying over $300 for a home console that has little to no 3rd party support, the vast majority of the games I play nowadays are 3rd party games (combo of western + japanese). I also have a bit of trouble paying that much for a console whose long term viability (beyond another 2-ish years) is questionable. $150 to $200 would be a lot easier for me to swallow for a machine that lives and dies by its first party titles.
2. Nintendo Fix - I can get my fix of 1st party nintendo games on my 3DS if I want to, and I am fine with that.
3. Region Locking - I import games from JP every now and then so this blows.
The last nintendo home console I bought was the Wii, but their home console I 'truly' bought into their ecosystem and played a ton of was the gamecube. There are a few reasons why I haven't bought a Wii U:
1. Price - Honestly I have trouble justifying paying over $300 for a home console that has little to no 3rd party support, the vast majority of the games I play nowadays are 3rd party games (combo of western + japanese). I also have a bit of trouble paying that much for a console whose long term viability (beyond another 2-ish years) is questionable. $150 to $200 would be a lot easier for me to swallow for a machine that lives and dies by its first party titles.
2. Nintendo Fix - I can get my fix of 1st party nintendo games on my 3DS if I want to, and I am fine with that.
3. Region Locking - I import games from JP every now and then so this blows.
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what am I reading. Tropical Freeze felt "very low budget"? Bayonetta 1+2 felt "very low budget"? 3D World felt "very low budget"? Mario Kart 8 felt "very low budget"? Smash felt "very low budget"? Hell, even Hyrule Warriors didn't feel "very low budget" either. It felt like an actual high budget Musou game.
I mean come on. Tropical Freeze beats Returns by a mile and Returns was already a great game.
You could say that about Captain Toad, but that one wasn't a full priced game anyway. And I still wouldn't call that "very low budget". If very low budgets could create such a game, then I don't know where all those insanely well polished, well crafted games are. I guess every tiny indie developer should be able to release such masterpieces in that case.
geordiemp
Member
I agree with him, big budget AAA games take 2 years + to make or massive teams in a year....stuff like Zelda or a big Metroid.
Some games can be done much quicker and I consider filler, like Rayman is a filler platform game probably banged out in 6 months compared to a big budget Ubi game.
I know Ubi is a bad example of filler vs big budget but it means you wont be so defensive on the games you like.
Big budget games are Mass Effects, Dragon Age, Uncharted, Zelda, MGS5, Witcher 3....games that are massive 3D worlds and take years to make. Platforms, 2 D games and the like are 6 month low budget games imo even if they are your personal favourites.
The OP asked the question of why a gamer left Ninetndo and what would bring them back.....users giving their opinion. They are all valid.
BjornTheBear
Banned
If they began to actually respect my country (Brazil) like Sony and M$ does, I would buy games again for my WiiU.
Sorry for my bad english.
Sorry for my bad english.
Well, I never owned a Nintendo console, only their handhelds up to the GBA, and then jumped ship to the PSP (and later the vita). But the chance of another Sony handheld is small at best, so they probably only need to make a 3DS successor and thanks to the lack of competition they would have me back automatically.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
They never lost me. But I don't purchase as many of their products as I once did.
Probably not, because I doubt Nintendo cares to win me back, to be honest. I owned every Nintendo console and the GameCube was the last. Wii and Wii U were not designed with me in mind so I've avoided both of them. Weak specs for both compared to the competition; I hated Wii's motion controls; not a fan of the giant Wii U gamepad; a lot of Nintendo first-party doesn't appeal to me other than Mario Kart and some of the 3D Mario games.
If Nintendo makes another console it needs to be significantly more powerful than PS4 and have a traditional style controller as default. That's what it will take to make me notice it.
If Nintendo makes another console it needs to be significantly more powerful than PS4 and have a traditional style controller as default. That's what it will take to make me notice it.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Yes please. Even 3D World, whilst perfectly passable as a single player game, felt like I was missing out without anybody to play with.
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
My last Nintendo console before the Wii U was an SNES.
"Everybody can change"
$200 price, outstanding exclusives, extensive backwards compatibility, and I just love high quality Japanese games with great gameplay are what did it for me. The PS4 and Wii U combo is sensational.
"Everybody can change"
$200 price, outstanding exclusives, extensive backwards compatibility, and I just love high quality Japanese games with great gameplay are what did it for me. The PS4 and Wii U combo is sensational.
Interceptor
Banned
The internet gave you very strong "opinions" on something you haven't even touched for 20 years.
Primethius
Banned
Probably not. I have the Wii U and I mostly feel "meh" towards it. The IPs I really care about on Nintendo's side have pretty much been non-existent and I've only really gotten to play MK8/Smash.
Nintendo's primary issue for me is that they haven't really been able to pull off online properly. I can't play MK8 and Smash with my friends online against others in any sort of easy way. So the system is pretty much for 1 v 1's online in Smash or with bots in MK8.
No thanks, I have better shit to do with my time. I'll probably end up selling the Wii U if no Metroid game is announced at E3. As much as I love Zelda, the system has been a pretty big disappointment for me.
Nintendo's primary issue for me is that they haven't really been able to pull off online properly. I can't play MK8 and Smash with my friends online against others in any sort of easy way. So the system is pretty much for 1 v 1's online in Smash or with bots in MK8.
No thanks, I have better shit to do with my time. I'll probably end up selling the Wii U if no Metroid game is announced at E3. As much as I love Zelda, the system has been a pretty big disappointment for me.
It has more to do with Japanese corporate culture than incompetence. Change? Innovation? Telling your boss he is wrong? That kind of stuff can take decades.
sixteen-bit
Member
Nintendo makes better games now than they ever have in the past, so I guess I'm back. If they lost me, it would have been in the N64 era.
wastedyears
Member
They can make video games that I am interested in playing; same as any other company. I've played enough cartoony 2d, and especially 3d, platform games to last a lifetime. I was a Nintendo fan, but unlike most, I didn't adore the characters. I didin't even like them, but I liked playing the games, especially during the SNES era.
More recently, I was a Nintendo fan because it was the only place I could play games like Advance Wars, and Fire Emblem, and also because of all the Resident Evil games on the Gamecube. The GBA, and DS, and to a lesser extent the 3DS, were handhelds with several great games for me, mainly turn based strategy and turn based rpgs. As far as Mario and Zelda games go, I feel like both series peaked on the SNES, and none of the games in those series since have even come close to being as good as the SNES editions.
I have absolutely no interest in buying plastic toys, and I don't want to play games that cater to young children. So it seems unlikey that I'll ever buy another Nintendo console again, unless they drastically change their focus.
I have bought every Nintendo console from SNES through Wii on launch day and since the N64 I've felt burned by each and every one. The fault rests with me for believing that "this time it'll be different". There have been some amazing games but far too few of them to justify buying their systems.
The biggest issue is no real third party support outside the release window (Wii being the exception, there the third party games just sucked) I usually end up buying 4-7 games total for each Nintendo system, of which I really only like one or two (usually the Zelda) the rest are party games like Mario Kart.
At this point I'm sick of those same games.
The only thing Nintendo could do to get me back is somehow get third parties back on board, and everyone here knows that isn't happening. Every new system they talk big about support and a year in it evaporates. So now I know, especially after the success of the Wii that nothing will get them back on board.
The biggest issue is no real third party support outside the release window (Wii being the exception, there the third party games just sucked) I usually end up buying 4-7 games total for each Nintendo system, of which I really only like one or two (usually the Zelda) the rest are party games like Mario Kart.
At this point I'm sick of those same games.
The only thing Nintendo could do to get me back is somehow get third parties back on board, and everyone here knows that isn't happening. Every new system they talk big about support and a year in it evaporates. So now I know, especially after the success of the Wii that nothing will get them back on board.
Yes. "Low budget" for a Nintendo game. Mario Kart and Smash are what they are every generation, I'm talking about their other efforts. EDIT: Perhaps 'felt low budget' isn't a fair assessment, but 'smaller scale and scope' would be.
Tropical Freeze might be big budget for a 2D platformer, but it's still low budget compared to what would be a modern-day equivalent of Donkey Kong 64. And Kirby, Yoshi, we're again looking at 2D platformers. 3D World was great but not on the scope and scale of SMG.
I agree that Nintendo games are the most polished on the market.
I just feel we've been missing the big, large-scale, epic Nintendo games this generation. Zelda will be that, but who knows when it's releasing.
He didn't say "not big budget AAA games", but "very low budget". I think there are budget possibilities inbetween "big budget AAA games" and "vey low budget".
If you went with GTA V's budget, then I guess every other game on the planet is "very low budget", although it would make no sense to say that.
And you are even explicitly talking about open world games, which is a genre by itself. The poster mentioned "Super Mario Galaxy" explicitly as games, that he considers "not very low budget". But Super Mario Galaxy is not open world at all.
Super Mario Galaxy was surely not cheap to make, but at least it was SD and not HD. I really don't think that Tropical Freeze's budget (which is an HD game) was just a few percents of SMG's budget.
Rayman's team is obviously not anything as insanely large as AssCreed teams. Which automatically means that it costs less. But first of all they developed a whole new engine for that game back then, which took time and Origins was supposed to be episodic back in 2010. The game was finally released end of 2011. Which means using simple math says that it didn't take them "just" 6 months to make it.
Would I consider Rayman Origins or Legends to be "very low budget"? No, not at all.
If you compare it to AssCreed games, then it surely cost way less, but it's not "very low budget" either.
Defensive? I'm saying that calling all Nintendo games on Wii U to be "very low budget" is crazytalk, especially when you call "Super Mario Galaxy" to be "high budget" in comparison. It simply makes no sense.
I guess you personally consider Super Mario Galaxy to be very low budget as well. And I guess in your opinion it must have taken 6 months to make as well, right?
smfh
Let me educate you.
Super Mario Galaxy's development started at some time in 2005. It was released 2007. So let's be generous and say 2 to 2 1/2 years to make. Team was around 45 people.
I couldn't find information when 3D World's development started. It was announced E3 2013. So let's say it started 2012 (I personally think it was 2011, Nintendo had to develop their HD 3D engine featuring rock solid framerates). It was released end of 2013. Even if we assume that development took 1 1/2 years only, then you would still have to consider that the development team was TWICE the size of Galaxy. 90 people.
So by using simple math it's quite safe to say that 3D World was either more expensive than SMG, or as expensive or just a tiny bit less expensive. There is simply no way that for example 3D World's budget was only 1/4th (or less) of SMG's budget.
Get third parties back. Current Nintendo consoles are lacking in several game genres. They aren't really worth purchasing until the console is basically dead and dirt cheap. I don't think there is anything Nintendo can do at this point to change their 3rd party situation though so they're forever relegated to "also ran" status.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Can they? Yeah. Will they? Highly doubt it.
I was a huge Nintendo fan during the NES/SNES/GB days, but they started losing me with the N64 and it's been all downhill since then. The Wii was my least favorite system of all time and the WiiU was the first system I ever sold shortly after buying it.
I just don't care for most of Nintendo's 1st party offerings. The Zelda series which used to be my favorite has grown stagnant and boring to the point that both TP and SS were dropped within 4-5 hours. Metroid is all but gone as a franchise and even a new one wouldn't be enough to get me back into a WiiU. That leaves Mario games which I still love, but I'm not willing to have a third console under my TV for 2-3 games no matter how great they are.
As I've grown older and I have less time for games in my life, Nintendo's stuff has been one of the staples I just don't need anymore.
I just don't care for most of Nintendo's 1st party offerings. The Zelda series which used to be my favorite has grown stagnant and boring to the point that both TP and SS were dropped within 4-5 hours. Metroid is all but gone as a franchise and even a new one wouldn't be enough to get me back into a WiiU. That leaves Mario games which I still love, but I'm not willing to have a third console under my TV for 2-3 games no matter how great they are.
As I've grown older and I have less time for games in my life, Nintendo's stuff has been one of the staples I just don't need anymore.