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Can Nintendo win you back?
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Shaqiri1987
Banned
Probably not.
Why would i go to Nintendo for multiplayer when MS, Sony and PC gaming do it better. Nintendo would have to offer a significantly better option for me to go to them for multiplayer gaming. That isn't going to happen.
Nintendo can't win me over with third party titles because none of my friends will purchase a Nintendo console for third party games and developers aren't going to sink that kind of capital into Nintendo to make a Nintendo console more appealing for third party games.
This leaves Nintendo with exclusive software to convince me to purchase their system. They certainly have some very appealing exclusives, but i would have never bought a Wii U if it were 300-400 dollars, and if Nintendo wants to seriously compete with MS and Sony next gen, they will need to create a console that is on par with what MS and Sony have available.
Nintendo took too long to realize where the market was headed and in the process they became irrelevant to for my gaming needs.
Why would i go to Nintendo for multiplayer when MS, Sony and PC gaming do it better. Nintendo would have to offer a significantly better option for me to go to them for multiplayer gaming. That isn't going to happen.
Nintendo can't win me over with third party titles because none of my friends will purchase a Nintendo console for third party games and developers aren't going to sink that kind of capital into Nintendo to make a Nintendo console more appealing for third party games.
This leaves Nintendo with exclusive software to convince me to purchase their system. They certainly have some very appealing exclusives, but i would have never bought a Wii U if it were 300-400 dollars, and if Nintendo wants to seriously compete with MS and Sony next gen, they will need to create a console that is on par with what MS and Sony have available.
Nintendo took too long to realize where the market was headed and in the process they became irrelevant to for my gaming needs.
Everyone talks as if the answer to Nintendo's problems is to release a console that's exactly like the Sony and Microsoft consoles. And to be sure, that's probably the only way third parties start supporting them in significant numbers again. It couldn't deviate functionally from those in any significant way, or it creates hurdles for porting... and that kills the economics of supporting a console nowadays.
But is that really what people want if they stop and think about it? A third console that doesn't bring anything significantly new to the table? The surrender of any ongoing effort to evolve the traditional console model?
I mean, not all Nintendo's ideas work, but they continue to at least explore what a console is and should be, and to keep things interesting. The other consoles, quite frankly, are getting dull.
But is that really what people want if they stop and think about it? A third console that doesn't bring anything significantly new to the table? The surrender of any ongoing effort to evolve the traditional console model?
I mean, not all Nintendo's ideas work, but they continue to at least explore what a console is and should be, and to keep things interesting. The other consoles, quite frankly, are getting dull.
frothystout
Member
I'd say mandatory Pro Controller support in every Wii U game would be the better option. Wiimotes and nunchuks can get lost.
Whiteblade999
Member
I own both their systems, I'm here for the moment. Doubt I will buy their next system until it has a Fire Emblem, which is what usually sells me. Wii U being the exception because of Tropical Freeze and the VC.
That about sums it up for me as well, I liked the Wii but I feel the Wii U is kind of a dud so far, some great games for sure but I'm content on waiting for super bomba prices. If Zelda is a crossgen title I'm probably gonna skip the Wii U alltogether. It feels kind of weird since I've had every Nintendo console released at one point save for the Gameboy Color.
+1
Some of the Nintendo formulas have staled, but the "AAA" 1st and 3rd party titles found on other systems have gone down hill even worse.
adamantypants
Member
The console market is actually pretty simple. People don't care about gimmicky things. We just want MOAR POWER. Why else do PC gamers throw $1000s at Nvidia every year?
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
They already did. I jumped ship with the Wii, but the Wii U shows them back in fine form. In an ideal world, they'd have third party support like the good old days, but in terms of first party, they've been killing the competition for years.
They never lost me. I really enjoy their first-party games. I disagree with many of their decisions (region locking, online modes, smash series design, amiibo supply), but overall, their company philosophy (gameplay first, games as toys, local multiplayer) synergies with me as a player.
Quadraphonic
Member
Given that my original 3DS XL died, and they wanted $125 to repair it, they can fuck right off until they have a proper account system.
Right now my Wii sits packed up in a closet, waiting for the day I can finally transfer my VC titles to a single device and not worry about having to do some convoluted transfer process.
Right now my Wii sits packed up in a closet, waiting for the day I can finally transfer my VC titles to a single device and not worry about having to do some convoluted transfer process.
God that first post. I've wanted to buy a Wii U a few times but never have because of this. I just don't want to reward Nintendo for being so fucking behind the times. It's not cute, it's not humble, and I don't care. Fucking look into the industry and put your own cool spin on things and stop being late to simple shit like "HD gaming" or fucking account systems.
And no one give me any shit by saying "you just have to call them". No, I'm not giving a billion dollar corp an out like that for not having a user friend account system.
Their own games are different enough.
Barry Burton
Member
They've never lost me. I own all three current-gen consoles, and each offers plenty of value. Their third-party situation stinks, but it has for the past 20 years, and I'm over it. The exclusives for the Wii U are the types of games that are largely absent on other platforms, and because of that I'll always be an owner of whatever platform plays their games. There are huge content holes, but instead of complaining that Nintendo isn't doing anything about it (which they won't anyways) there are so many other outlets to get those games. Most of the issues I have with Nintendo would only be problems if I only owned Nintendo systems.
One thing that I would like to see, though, is more variety from their first-party palette. A lot of 2D platformers on the Wii U so far. Don't get me wrong, I really like those games but they have a lot of franchises that are collecting dust. The Wii U has also gone longer than any other Nintendo console without that "all-time classic" Zelda, Mario or Metroid game. Their overall first-party lineup has gotten good and 3D World is a great game, but it's lacking when you compare it to what the N64, GameCube, Wii got in their first couple of years.
Yeah, in a perfect world Nintendo would release the most-powerful console on the market and have every multiplatform game, and my life would be a lot easier because I'd only really need one console to satisfy my gaming tastes. But these are things I've accepted many years ago as "not gonna happen", and I'm perfectly content with buying their hardware to play their games as long as they keep making 'em. All I really want from them is to keep improving on the game-making front.
One thing that I would like to see, though, is more variety from their first-party palette. A lot of 2D platformers on the Wii U so far. Don't get me wrong, I really like those games but they have a lot of franchises that are collecting dust. The Wii U has also gone longer than any other Nintendo console without that "all-time classic" Zelda, Mario or Metroid game. Their overall first-party lineup has gotten good and 3D World is a great game, but it's lacking when you compare it to what the N64, GameCube, Wii got in their first couple of years.
Yeah, in a perfect world Nintendo would release the most-powerful console on the market and have every multiplatform game, and my life would be a lot easier because I'd only really need one console to satisfy my gaming tastes. But these are things I've accepted many years ago as "not gonna happen", and I'm perfectly content with buying their hardware to play their games as long as they keep making 'em. All I really want from them is to keep improving on the game-making front.
I never left, but yeah, this would make things even better.
Zombie James
Banned
I will never understand this logic. Let's pretend for a second that the Wii U was technically on par with the Xbone and PS4 and had an online account system. Would the Miiverse suddenly not exist? Would Nintendo not be able to develop fun games anymore? Someone please explain this to me.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
They haven't lost me but I wish they'd stop making much weaker hardware and when they make some new innovations that they'd fully exploit it.
Why do you guys think The Witcher 3 isn't on the WiiU?
Why do you guys think The Witcher 3 isn't on the WiiU?
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
Agreed! Nintento can still make their beloved games and bring new ways to play while having on-par hardware so third parties will release their games on it.
LoveCake
Member
I have had all the Nintendo consoles, i got a 3DS at launch & it wasn't very good, then there was the price cut & the Ambassador games didn't make up for the price cut in the slightest, but things did pick up, i thought that lightning couldn't strike twice, but getting a WiiU at launch was a mistake, ok it has picked up now, but i could have saved a fortune if i had waited, unfortunately there is nothing that Nintendo can do for me now, i won't buy another Nintendo console at launch again, no matter what they say or do & that is going to be the biggest problem for Nintendo because everyone is just going to sit & wait to see if it it worth investing & because people won't buy the console pubs/devs won't make games for it & the cycle will keep going.
Yeah, but there are plenty of people doing "more power". Is there room for three samey-same consoles in the marketplace?
I'd be interested to know how many people have actually bought both PS4 and Xbox One this gen, or how many who, like me, saw no point.
It's not just the specs and the lack of a unified account (only core gamers care about this) that are hampering the Wii U's sales, though. There are a bunch of people who don't buy into the whole concept of the system, and who don't even understand what it is and what it does. There's the issue of the price not being different enough from the competition to warrant the specs difference. And there'd still be the problem of getting third parties to support it.
Nintendo is already having a hard time adjusting to HD as it is. Plus giving the console PS4-level specs alone won't magically bring back third parties, they're long gone.
TheLastCandle
Member
As long as they keep making games as well as they do they will have me forever as a customer.
Of course it have space! Nintendo games have their own way to be, i don't understand why should be less powerful to have different games
If Nintendo makes a diesel console handheld with feels great in the hand and has great specs to accompany the major consoles that'd be a great way to really show the world something new.
I love the Wii U gamepad but it's a bummer that it always essentially has to be tied to something else. If that was just the console itself we'd have something on our hands.
I love the Wii U gamepad but it's a bummer that it always essentially has to be tied to something else. If that was just the console itself we'd have something on our hands.
It's less powerful because it's got the Gamepad, and because they didn't want it to cost $800.
There's plenty of debate in the merits of the Gamepad, but between having that, having a reasonable price or having high specs, something had to give.
Dog Problems
Banned
They lost me when the Nintendo 64 came out and all of their franchises went 3D. I've just never been able to get into any of them. This continued with the GameCube, although I did enjoy The Wind Waker because of it's art style and how different it felt compared to other Zelda games.
But then the Wii came out and I fell in love with it. Not so much for Nintendo's stuff, but it had a lot of hidden gems and niche games I greatly enjoyed. Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, MadWorld, Another Code R to name a few. I also had a lot of fun with the motion controls and was hoping they'd continue with that on future systems.
I have a Wii U but I haven't played it in a very long time. I mostly got it for The Wonderful 101 and Super Mario 3D World, both of which I really enjoyed. Speaking of which, 3D World (and Land, actually) are the first 3D Mario games I've been able to get into.
I don't really see Nintendo as doing anything that lost me. It has more to do with my unwillingness to adapt to 3D with their stuff and my increasing disinterest with Japanese gaming as a whole.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
They never lost me, sure the Wii U isn't selling gangbusters, but the games on it still manage to delight me.
Stallion Dan
Member
They can, but it isn't very likely with the course they are headed in,especially since the Wii.
I bought a Wii, bought most of their big games for it, but looking at my collection are only 2-3 games I absolutely loved.
Games are either an art style aimed at the young, lack any and all challenge so are not engaging at all which is a major part of fun, too many gimmicks from controls that made games worse rather than better (and I loved Metroid Prime 3, so no, not a motion control hater).
I definitely feel as I got older Nintendo failed to adapt to me getting older and haven't broadened their design and catalogue much at all, in terms of difficulty I think they've mostly gone backards if anything. This is something I feel many younger gamers will not understand as they've always had console games existing aimed at older gamers, but this only really took off in the late 90s and Nintendo never really embraced it.
I also rarely buy games day one anymore and wait for most games to drop in price by at least 50%, but Nintendo doesn't drop its games prices. I will never buy another Nintendo console while this is the case because by generations end I could have a library on another console 4-5 times bigger for the same cost.
So yeah, good luck Nintendo. I'll miss Metroid.
edit Obviousy the online restrictions need to go. From everything to crappy account system to lacking messaging system, blocking voice chat etc etc. This all falls under the 'Nintendo failed to adapt tome getting older' thing.
I bought a Wii, bought most of their big games for it, but looking at my collection are only 2-3 games I absolutely loved.
Games are either an art style aimed at the young, lack any and all challenge so are not engaging at all which is a major part of fun, too many gimmicks from controls that made games worse rather than better (and I loved Metroid Prime 3, so no, not a motion control hater).
I definitely feel as I got older Nintendo failed to adapt to me getting older and haven't broadened their design and catalogue much at all, in terms of difficulty I think they've mostly gone backards if anything. This is something I feel many younger gamers will not understand as they've always had console games existing aimed at older gamers, but this only really took off in the late 90s and Nintendo never really embraced it.
I also rarely buy games day one anymore and wait for most games to drop in price by at least 50%, but Nintendo doesn't drop its games prices. I will never buy another Nintendo console while this is the case because by generations end I could have a library on another console 4-5 times bigger for the same cost.
So yeah, good luck Nintendo. I'll miss Metroid.
edit Obviousy the online restrictions need to go. From everything to crappy account system to lacking messaging system, blocking voice chat etc etc. This all falls under the 'Nintendo failed to adapt tome getting older' thing.
Theanine3D
Member
After the Wii I had declared I was never buying a Nintendo console ever again. I ended up buying a Wii U anyway because in the end, they're still the ones that make the games I like the most. So they lost me at that point, but only for the last few years of the Wii's life.
However, I really just can't justify buying a $300++ console with absent third party support and constant first-party droughts anymore. They'll have to seriously tone down the pricetag of their next console if they want a purchase from me. $200 tops, not a cent more. I don't even care if that means the console has to be less powerful than a PS4. They can't repeat the Wii U's pricetag ever again.
They also have to stop being so damn conservative when it comes to online play, and unfortunately this is something I don't expect them to ever do. It's in their DNA at this point, and they will always assume all of their players are 6-year-old's that need to be protected from predators. Because of this, I no longer feel like their target audience, and I prefer to take my money elsewhere. It just sucks to see them pop out one amazing multiplayer game after another, and then not even be able to experience them because they refuse to budge on online play on the majority of their games. Mario Party without online play in this day and age is a complete joke.
However, I really just can't justify buying a $300++ console with absent third party support and constant first-party droughts anymore. They'll have to seriously tone down the pricetag of their next console if they want a purchase from me. $200 tops, not a cent more. I don't even care if that means the console has to be less powerful than a PS4. They can't repeat the Wii U's pricetag ever again.
They also have to stop being so damn conservative when it comes to online play, and unfortunately this is something I don't expect them to ever do. It's in their DNA at this point, and they will always assume all of their players are 6-year-old's that need to be protected from predators. Because of this, I no longer feel like their target audience, and I prefer to take my money elsewhere. It just sucks to see them pop out one amazing multiplayer game after another, and then not even be able to experience them because they refuse to budge on online play on the majority of their games. Mario Party without online play in this day and age is a complete joke.
GustyGardens
Banned
I don't think that Nintendo is really having that much trouble anymore. I would agree with you towards the beginning, but I don't see much evidence that they're struggling. I'm curious as to why you'd say that?
Sinfamy
Member
Technically speaking if Nintendo had a similar x86 APU with a good SDK it would be a no brainer for 3rd parties to easily port at essentially no cost.
maquiladora
Member
It depends on what the deal is with the NX. At this stage the only game I would buy a Wii U for is Zelda. And I'm not sure if I can justify buying a console just for one game that will probably be released within 12 months of the NX launching.
Caipirinha
Member
Releasing AAAs on the PS4, basically.
I will never buy a Nintendo console again despite growing up as a purely Nintendo gamer, and something tells me that most now-adult gamers who left during the Wii era will feel the same.
I will never buy a Nintendo console again despite growing up as a purely Nintendo gamer, and something tells me that most now-adult gamers who left during the Wii era will feel the same.
minkymuskyslyoldstoaty
Member
They haven't lost me, but they have lost me as a day one purchaser.
I bought every console and handheld on day one, from the NES to the 3DS. But the post-launch dearth of titles on the 3DS together with the likelihood that several series I like wouldn't be making an appearance meant that I waited until 2015 before getting a Wii U. By that time there were about ten games I wanted, but most of them were available second-hand, so I saved some cash doing that.
I don't care about chat or online play, or even third party games. Don't use the first two and have other consoles for the third. At the end of every generation since the PS and N64 times I usually have about twenty games for the Nintendo machine and a hundred or so for the Sony one.
I'm not sure they can do anything about that imbalance. That ship has sailed. But if they had WaveRace, Pilotwings, Snowboard Kids, Metroid and a few others at launch or at least on the horizon at launch, and especially if the console was region-free, I'd pick one up on day-one again.
Edit. Forgot F-Zero
I bought every console and handheld on day one, from the NES to the 3DS. But the post-launch dearth of titles on the 3DS together with the likelihood that several series I like wouldn't be making an appearance meant that I waited until 2015 before getting a Wii U. By that time there were about ten games I wanted, but most of them were available second-hand, so I saved some cash doing that.
I don't care about chat or online play, or even third party games. Don't use the first two and have other consoles for the third. At the end of every generation since the PS and N64 times I usually have about twenty games for the Nintendo machine and a hundred or so for the Sony one.
I'm not sure they can do anything about that imbalance. That ship has sailed. But if they had WaveRace, Pilotwings, Snowboard Kids, Metroid and a few others at launch or at least on the horizon at launch, and especially if the console was region-free, I'd pick one up on day-one again.
Edit. Forgot F-Zero
3DS is prob my fav console/handheld ever (Vita is also pretty rad).
I basically never play my WiiU, but I had an interest to buy it, which is more than I can say about PS4/Xbone.
Honestly, I read a lot more when I used to play my 3DS, so I need something to bring me back into video games.
I basically never play my WiiU, but I had an interest to buy it, which is more than I can say about PS4/Xbone.
Honestly, I read a lot more when I used to play my 3DS, so I need something to bring me back into video games.
King Gilga
Member
Nintendo most me because they started being massive dicks after the DS/Wii, maybe the success went to their ego/head post ps2 Sony style.
Theyd have to stop being dicks for me to even considering bothering with them, maybe the failure of the wiiu and the 3ds not being s fraction of the system the 3ds was will humble them.
Theyd have to stop being dicks for me to even considering bothering with them, maybe the failure of the wiiu and the 3ds not being s fraction of the system the 3ds was will humble them.
I'm waiting for E3 before making a call on getting a Wii U or an Xbox One.
I had a Wii U before. I got rid of it due to a lack of interesting games and hating the controller.
The Splatoon, Xenoblade and Zelda combo got me back on board enough that I'm again thinking about picking one up. Splatoon reviews are kind of souring me on the idea at the moment. Zelda getting pushed back doesn't help, either.
If there is a bunch of awesome stuff announced at E3 and it isn't too far off then I might commit again.
I had a Wii U before. I got rid of it due to a lack of interesting games and hating the controller.
The Splatoon, Xenoblade and Zelda combo got me back on board enough that I'm again thinking about picking one up. Splatoon reviews are kind of souring me on the idea at the moment. Zelda getting pushed back doesn't help, either.
If there is a bunch of awesome stuff announced at E3 and it isn't too far off then I might commit again.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
They haven't lost me, though I must admit, I haven't been pleased by some of their recent decisions. I'm hoping E3 will bring it back.
I'm pretty easy to please because all I want is some sort of meaningful universal achievement/trophy system. Even though the mere mention of trophies in games irritates some people, they are here to stay for the foreseeable future and ignoring this feature was/is a big mistake. Nintendo either doesn't like the notion trophies or is simply is too incompetent to figure out how to implement them properly.
Shmuely Bully
Member
EA rarely advertises versions of their games for a particular console, but that hasn't stopped them from selling elsewhere. If this was just EA people might have a point, but other big third-party publishers haven't exactly experienced smashing success either.
Where are Activision, Ubisoft, S-E, Bamco, Capcom? The only big third-party publisher providing solid support is Sega and they're contractually obligated to do so.
Past some point you have to own your failures, Nintendo has never done so and some in their fanbase seem to do everything in their power to apologize for them.
This is their own danged fault for being such navel-gazing morons. Every Japanese developer and their brother talked about how tough HD development was over the last decade and Nintendo still utterly failed to prepare for it.
Iwata was making statements about how they had understaffed development and didn't expect to need so many resources well after the Wii U's launch. Along with all the rest, that's a screw up of such proportions that if this was a just world he wouldn't only be fired, he wouldn't even be able to find a job as a dish washer anywhere in Kyoto.
I wouldn't exactly call the Vita region free since you are locked into one account and DLC themselves aren't region free.
I doubt that The Witcher 3 would be on Nintendo system, even if it could run it.
They haven't lost me, but like someone said in the first page, I've just strayed away and so have they.
My first real console was from Nintendo, I grew up as the hugest Nintendo fan, and now I've grown to realize that their interests will no longer align with my interests. Hardware, software, little annoyances, and more will make my Wii U second to my PC,Vita,Android,iPad, and laptop.
Also, smh @ the usuals going in this thread and just shitting on people's genuine reasons why they aren't won by Nintendo's offerings.
I'll still be continued to be hyped for Zelda, FE, MK, FZ0. Pikmin etc... but nothing is really drawing me in. Besides SMT x FE there are not many deep (A)RPGs, shootbangs, or multiplats that will make me use my Wii U or any of my 3ds within the foreseeable future.
My first real console was from Nintendo, I grew up as the hugest Nintendo fan, and now I've grown to realize that their interests will no longer align with my interests. Hardware, software, little annoyances, and more will make my Wii U second to my PC,Vita,Android,iPad, and laptop.
Also, smh @ the usuals going in this thread and just shitting on people's genuine reasons why they aren't won by Nintendo's offerings.
I'll still be continued to be hyped for Zelda, FE, MK, FZ0. Pikmin etc... but nothing is really drawing me in. Besides SMT x FE there are not many deep (A)RPGs, shootbangs, or multiplats that will make me use my Wii U or any of my 3ds within the foreseeable future.
dcx4610
Member
They never fully lost me. I grew up with the NES and SNES so they were a major part of my life. I've been highly critical of them from the N64 on though.
I still support every system they release but ever time, I try to convince myself it will be the last since most of the games don't really appeal to me and feel like rehashes. Their systems really do feel like they are made for kids so as someone in their early 30s, it's hard for me to get excited.
I would love nothing more for Nintendo to grow up and try to do a powerful system, get a ton of 3rd party support while still retaining their charm but honestly, at that point, they cease to be Nintendo.
After the Gamecube, which seemed to be Nintendo's last chance at trying to compete, I've given up on them being a true player. At this point I just want and expect them to be different. As long as they keep doing that and don't release something completely uninteresting or ridiculous, I'll keep buying.
I still support every system they release but ever time, I try to convince myself it will be the last since most of the games don't really appeal to me and feel like rehashes. Their systems really do feel like they are made for kids so as someone in their early 30s, it's hard for me to get excited.
I would love nothing more for Nintendo to grow up and try to do a powerful system, get a ton of 3rd party support while still retaining their charm but honestly, at that point, they cease to be Nintendo.
After the Gamecube, which seemed to be Nintendo's last chance at trying to compete, I've given up on them being a true player. At this point I just want and expect them to be different. As long as they keep doing that and don't release something completely uninteresting or ridiculous, I'll keep buying.