I'm pretty sure Nomura was quoted several times stating that the first game would have closure on Noctis' story, but there would be sequels to flesh out the actual lore and build on top of the universe/world of XV.
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Stella has been removed from FFXV; Itamuro writing game; Demo 2 June 9; FFXV not @ E3
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I'm pretty sure Nomura was quoted several times stating that the first game would have closure on Noctis' story, but there would be sequels to flesh out the actual lore and build on top of the universe/world of XV.
Megidolaon
Member
Well, I'm just surmising based on the fact the felt the need to turn her into a different character at all. Her younger looking design, mannerisms, and new childhood friend role. And having played previous FF games, she seems similar to Rinoa, Rem, Serah all of whom were that token love interest girl who needed protection from someone.
I could be wrong, and I hope I am. But FF uses that archetype a lot. I'm worried Luna will be that way, but I'm not claiming some 100% knowledge.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Fabula Nova Crystallis is Nojima's concept. If you want XV not to be an FNC title then you basically want even less Nojima influence on the story than there currently is.
Gentleman Jack
Member
It's difficult to stay positive after a ten+ year wait. It's not as if being fair to the company that holds back all of the information while making outlandish promises is a high priority for consumers.
That's exactly the reason why people think Luna is a damsel in distress like character compared to when everyone thought she could be Stella.
Stella might have been damsely in Versus but Luna has been mostly damsely in XV trailers.
Of course, we are speculating with what we are given. I will not break down a complete character analysis of Luna.
But explain to me because you are so bent on reiterating that we know nothing about Luna and that the differences, the fact alone that Stella was removed does not affect our perception of Luna and her story?
Why did so many characters we have seen in recent trailers remain in their old roles with minor changes like Regis, Idola and old General Dude?
Why should they rename, remodel an change her nature in the intial trailers and make a secret when she was basically the same? Why make a secret then?
artsi
Member
Agreed.
Shit changes all the time in early development but usually we're supposed to see it afterwards, not in a series of top quality trailers which give the illusion that the game is full speed in development.
Here's Yuna (or whoever), before they KILLED her. Just like Stella.
We just didn't know until we saw the art on a DVD or artbook after the game released.
This.
"She's direct, assertive, my kind of gal."
All that from near decade old footage and a scene that was scrapped who knows how long ago.
EDIT:
People saying they liked her design and clothes is okay though. But even that gets changed a lot.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
It wouldn't matter. FNC is just a mythology. The series has had many different mythologies, and SHOULD continue to have many different mythologies. .
TheRealTalker
Banned
I honestly thought it was the same person :/
Exactly. We should be analysing on what we are given. And so far nothing on Luna screams damsel in distress.
And regarding your questions, I do not know the answers. No one does except the development team. That is the reason I'm NOT claiming Luna is a strong character. I'm just saying nothing in her screams "weak".
You're right, but the mythology of FNC is very basic in a fundamental level. There really isn't much there especially when there are different interpretations on the concept.
Oh my god, were people legit complaining that we were getting too much info????
I might have to shut down and take a walk.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Noctis Orgy no more.
Megidolaon
Member
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Not to mention they pretty much stated that the concept/base myth was only there to be used as a reference, and that each game/director could freely interpret it as they saw fit. Hell, that was one of the defining "selling points" of the FNC compilation, initially. One base myth, MANY stories that interpret the mythology in many different ways.
JuanLatino
Member
Oh my god, were people legit complaining that we were getting too much info????
I might have to shut down and take a walk.
thats what they do right now.
Too many Active Time Reports...too much duscae.
sensui-tomo
Member
At least we're done with the shitty " i dun like this cause males only " arguement mentality that the mra(nra? whomever) had with mad max and women
Dr. Buni
Member
Should remove Cindy as well, such a terrible design for a character.
Ugh
sensui-tomo
Member
If we get rid of characters based off bad designs, there'd be alot of characters gone from the FF universe. hell Rydia would be gone.
She should be plated in full armor when fighting demons and monsters
/sYankeeDonB
Member
This game is like the ship of theseus - how many boards can be replaced before it's a new ship? It is a strange feeling to have been anticipating something for so long, and for that thing to keep changing time and again.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Damn you FFIX, you could've been good:
Well, since FFXV is "different", think they've abandoned the whole FNC shit? I actually wouldn't mind if they just ditched that shit and aimed for a new "mythology". Sure, Etro is in the logo, but they could just rename her something else. "She's not Etro... she's Somna, the sleeping goddess!".
Are we comparing early stages of development with a game that was on production for 7 yaers at least?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Ah, but it wasn't. Production didn't really begin until 2011 or so.
What we saw before that were concept trailers. Pretty much the CG equivalent of pre-production sketches.
MultiJhonny
Banned
full production since 2012. Just concepts from 2006 until then pretty much
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Not even 7, if what they said is true. The majority of what people "think" was development time was pre-production time. Plain and simple, Versus was announced(and shown) WAY too early(at a point, basically, when Nomura didn't even know what the hell the game was going to be about). The most depth regarding the initial reveal was probably based on a concept where Nomura thought, "Hmmm, I'd like a main hero that... could summon a shit-ton of swords and act all badass... against an army of knights wielding machine guns! That's cool, let's make a CG of THAT!".
Duscae is my reason to be pessimistic.
I can't say I care about Stella herself, but it's the whole "distancing themselves from Nomura's original vision" aspect that has me worried. I know they keep parroting the same old "oh we're TOTALLY keeping it close to the original vision you guys, no worries" but from all I've seen that doesn't seem to be the case. We already lost playable party members, a "main"(plotwise) character, and apparently some scenes from the earlier trailers now. At this point I don't even know if I'm excited for this game or not, since the main aspects I liked from the original trailers are nowhere to be seen in road trip fantasy XV so far.
Also, Tabata just seems lost with this whole thing. Taking fan feedback to heart is one thing, but the guy seriously seems to lack a vision of his own for the game and is just kind of going with the flow. He doesn't even know if there'll be an airship on the final product ffs. His previous works, Type-0 and Crisis Core, also don't give me many reasons to believe in his prowess as a director.
I really hope I'm wrong and the game turns out great, but at this point I have little faith on the project.
EDIT: Oh well, at least I'm glad there won't be any sequels. Even if it turns out to be a good game, the old "one game and done" approach is MUCH better than making sequels nobody asked for.
Don't play with my heart like that.
Also, Tabata just seems lost with this whole thing. Taking fan feedback to heart is one thing, but the guy seriously seems to lack a vision of his own for the game and is just kind of going with the flow. He doesn't even know if there'll be an airship on the final product ffs. His previous works, Type-0 and Crisis Core, also don't give me many reasons to believe in his prowess as a director.
I really hope I'm wrong and the game turns out great, but at this point I have little faith on the project.
EDIT: Oh well, at least I'm glad there won't be any sequels. Even if it turns out to be a good game, the old "one game and done" approach is MUCH better than making sequels nobody asked for.
Don't play with my heart like that.
It'll never happen will it?
Well, too bad.
Hours Left
Member
I liked the name Stella better. :/
Besides that, I'm pretty sure it's the same character conceptually, even if they change her storyline. (I would of liked to see that swordfight though...)
Besides that, I'm pretty sure it's the same character conceptually, even if they change her storyline. (I would of liked to see that swordfight though...)
Relaxed Muscle
Member
We saw 7 minutes of gameplay at least. Do you think all Nomura and his team did for 7 years was CG trailers?
I'm pretty sure that at least most of the plot (I think the script was finalized at least) and game design was quite advanced. A lot of EA games don't enter full production until a year or so before the release, that dosn't mean that most gameplay systems were at least finalized on paper. That's a world of difference of just starting setting the world and sketching a few characters and ideas...
I'm entering on bizarro GAF.
That's like, his opinion though.
Aside from all the story/design/concept stuff? Yes.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
They did something similar for Final Fantasy Agito XIII. Remember when there were these strange monsters?:
There was those and pig-faced orc creatures in the original early footage of FFAgitoXIII. None of that made it into Type-0.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Why do we assume that "Nomura's original vision" was worth a damn? His KH plots are borderline incoherent (serviceable enough for what they are.. but no storytelling art), and he clearly wasn't able to corral this into a game. The world has sure given that man a LOT of creative reverence all because he can draw pretty well.
Give me a producer who can deliver a final product. The whole concept of an auteur's "original vision" has proven to be pretentious nonsense throughout this and many other creative industries.
As someone involved in the creative design process myself, the idea I once had of magic men passing down their perfect visions from on high is largely an invention of fans who really don't know how these things come together.
Not saying otherwise. A completely valid opinion.
Saying "too bad" is dismissing it though, no?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Seven Force
Banned
Real talk.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
"Gameplay" or technical demonstrations showing environments and characters?
Late 2000s Square has a habit of aimlessly generating art assets for years on end, and only really cobbling them together into a game proper much later than one would think (i.e. FFXIII only going into production for the demo, and now, XV only really going into production with its demo).
It's been established that it wasn't in full production until the last few years as a matter of fact, anyway.
Guys wait, I just noticed something.
Stella is still there, I've uncovered the shocking plot twist of the game. Pack it SE!
:O
Relaxed Muscle
Member
They showed the battle system and features like riding vehicles, that's beyond of just asset creation.
We'll never know how well stablished and polished the systems were in place, but in terms of designing the game they surely were fairly advanced, even if they didn't have the staff to enter full production. There's a lot between early prototying a game and entering into full production.