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[Phreak47]

It's the classic old "just the messenger" / "just my belief" routine. The "messenger" part is particularly handy... you get to be a dick without taking personal responsibility.

"I'm not judging you"

(But God will)

"I'm not condemning you to Hell"

(But God will)

...and so on.

And who wouldn't expect them, following the week that all but officially puts them on the wrong side of history, to throw another big persecution tantrum? Par for the course.

 

[Ledbetter]

I can understand that someone would disapprove homosexuality due to his beliefs. As those beliefs have foundations on one superior being's rules, I find useless to discuss them from a rational point of view, as it is mandatory to just obey God for Christians.

But unfortunately, the people that have shared this image on my Facebook feed, I see them reaching to some nonsense arguments comparing same sex marriage to cannibalism or corruption, saying it is disgusting and that society will rot thanks to this, just because people tell them to "live and let live". Like if the former affects in such an extreme negative way to people outside the marriage.

That's why I find hard to believe that the (majority of) people who stand by what this image says do it in an honest way.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

The conservative Christian nutty-memes are always so BUTT UGLY whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Burai]

The conservative Christian nutty-memes are always so BUTT UGLY whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Artistic flair is gay, obviously.

 

[Pila]

I love you but you are going to fet tortured forever in hell.

I worship the deity that will make it happen.

Pretty much. I love you, say hello to that Satan guy when you'll meet him, he used to be cool too.

Btw, I'm not judging you but I think that giving you rights is wrong, that's the way I don't judge stuff, I decide who has basic human rights and who doesn't.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

Here's the thing: it was written by someone from that society for that society. You can breathe now, friend.

So why we still got Christians?

 

[Sir Alemeth]

What the fuck is this shit? I've seen it floating around Facebook a bunch recently and I don't get it. How can you love and accept your friends if you completely disagree with their lifestyle? How is this not still bigotry? I don't get it.

What in the flying fuck??
Look, I'm happy with the ruling and glad that we as people are making progress. But you can't be serious with a dumb statement like that. I disagree with my friends on a shit ton of issues, and we're still best of friends. wtf.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

So why we still got Christians?

I bet if you said "Muslims" instead of "Christians" that would be frowned upon, no?

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

I bet if you said "Muslims" instead of "Christians" that would be frowned upon, no?

Muslims would have been funnier since it sounds more like monkeys.

Spoiler

making a joke off of the why we still got monkeys meme.

 

[ramparter]

People have the right to speak open as long as they don't judge or intervene on others' lives.

 

[AzureTranquility95]

Stupid christian propaganda. Nothing to see here.

 

[gimmmick]

It's really easy, guys. Don't torture yourselves.

This.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

What the fuck is this shit?

It's because they see nothing wrong with it.

To them, it's as natural as you or I knowing there's nothing wrong with being gay.

 

[Wickerbasket]

It's great because there's no such thing as homosexual marriage now, there's just marriage for everyone and the bigots hate that.

They don't have to believe in reality, but it doesn't change what is.

 

[neorej]

You don't have to believe in it. That's okay. The only way a marriage between two men or women can possibly affect your own marriage, is when you are actually one of the people getting married, in which case you should probably get a divorce first.

It's like going through the supermarket, yelling at everyone how much you hate broccoli.

 

[Funky Papa]

"I'm not judging you. I just think you are engaging in abominable acts".

Fuck that line of thinking and anybody who excuses it.

 

[EUA]

"I'm not judging you. I just think you are engaging in abominable acts".

Fuck that line of thinking and anybody who excuses it.

Personally, I don't believe in gods. I think it's irrational. Even stupid. But I sure as hell don't judge those who do.

See, it's simple. Also this

How can you love and accept your friends if you completely disagree with their lifestyle? How is this not still bigotry?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Wickerbasket]

Personally, I don't believe in gods. I think it's irrational. Even stupid. But I sure as hell don't judge those who do.

See, it's simple. Also this


What the fuck is wrong with you?

This whole post has be scratching my head. I'm not even sure what it's trying to say.

I don't understand how someone could label someone's lifestyle as an abomination and still think they aren't judging people. The act of labeling their lifestyle as an abomination is judgmental in itself.

 

[Kinsei]

What in the flying fuck??
Look, I'm happy with the ruling and glad that we as people are making progress. But you can't be serious with a dumb statement like that. I disagree with my friends on a shit ton of issues, and we're still best of friends. wtf.

Do you also "disagree: with their skin color? Would you expect an Asian person to stay friends with someone racist towards Asain people?

 

[Principate]

Do you also "disagree: with their skin color? Would you expect an Asian person to stay friends with someone racist towards Asain people?

Pretty sure there's plenty of people like that. That's life, many people have varying levels of racism, sexism homophobia etc, and some people are willing to put up with some levels more than offers same with everything. If your entire family was bigoted in some way chances you'll have a high probability of putting up with some of it than with a random stranger.

 

[EUA]

This whole post has be scratching my head. I'm not even sure what it's trying to say.

I don't understand how someone could label someone's lifestyle as an abomination and still think they aren't judging people. The act of labeling their lifestyle as an abomination is judgmental in itself.

Yeah, perhaps you're right. And I was wrong.

 

[Rosenskjold]

What the fuck is this shit? I've seen it floating around Facebook a bunch recently and I don't get it. How can you love and accept your friends if you completely disagree with their lifestyle? How is this not still bigotry? I don't get it.

Well, it has always baffled me how it is so hard for people to wrap their heads around this. I think marriage is something between a man and a woman, but I also realize that I live in a society where people have different opinions, and just as I can hold my opinion, they can hold theirs, that doesn't mean I have to agree with them?

edit: I don't think homosexuality is an abomination, I just think it's not what God intended.

 

[Zombine]

There are more bigots in our galaxy than there are atoms in the universe.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

I'm bigoted towards murderers and thieves.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Observations for hopefully healthy discussion:

I think perhaps the primary misunderstanding/obstacle between the whole Christian vs. Homosexual issue is one side says homosexuality is a condition that you are born with and is not a choice (it's who you are), while the other says homosexuality is a choice and is denying the gender nature gave you (it is not who you are). The result is one side thinks the other is a bigot and the other thinks the other is purposely being unnatural.

This is something I personally wish to see more in scientific studies (if anyone has links to reputable sources please share).

 

[Kinsei]

Pretty sure there's plenty of people like that. That's life, many people have varying levels of racism, sexism homophobia etc, and some people are willing to put up with some levels more than offers same with everything. If your entire family was bigoted in some way chances you'll have a high probability of putting up with some of it than with a random stranger.

No that's not life. Go tell someone you don't think they should have the same rights as you, they're going to rightfully call you out on it and there's no way in hell they'd actually consider being your friend.

 

[Rosenskjold]

Observations for hopefully healthy discussion:

I think perhaps the primary misunderstanding/obstacle between the whole Christian vs. Homosexual issue is one side says homosexuality is a condition that you are born with and is not a choice (it's who you are), while the other says homosexuality is a choice and is denying the gender nature gave you (it is not who you are). The result is one side thinks the other is a bigot and the other thinks the other is purposely being unnatural.

Who says christians by default believe homosexuality is a choice??

 

[Vagabundo]

I wish these people would actual act like Jesus instead of using him as a cover for their bigotry.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Who says christians by default believe homosexuality is a choice??

Just an observation that many/most do. I think that is the typical trapping between both views.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Who says christians by default believe homosexuality is a choice??

You literally just said it wasn't what god intended.

 

[Loakum]

Yes, this is definitely a problem for many or most. It's hard to argue that many Christians live by all aspects of the Bible.

Especially when you see tons of out of wedlock baby christenings performed at their church. I guess they don't mind ignoring the sex before marriage sin. lol

 

[Chuckie]

Who says christians by default believe homosexuality is a choice??

Well not default maybe. But you seem to think so.

I don't think homosexuality is an abomination, I just think it's not what God intended.

If it is not what god has intended, then it is a choice.

 

[Rosenskjold]

You literally just said it wasn't what god intended.

The bible says that we live in a broken world, things are not as God has intended them to be.

Especially when you see tons of out of wedlock baby christenings performed at their church. I guess they don't mind ignoring the sex before marriage sin. lol

What do you suggest? Not pray for the baby? To condemn which Jesus said not to?

Well not default maybe. But you seem to think so.

I see no reason to believe people cannot be born as homosexuals.

If it is not what god has intended, then it is a choice.

It's a choice to live it out.

In general this is what I will say, I think it's sad christians are so occupied with whether it's something you're born as or not. It's completely irrelevant, the reality is that many people identify themselves as homosexual, and do not feel this is something they could ever change, the only question is "how do we love them as Jesus commanded us to" ?

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Who would've thought that applying moral code from 2000 years ago to todays society requires significant amounts of mental gymnastics.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

What do you suggest? Not pray for the baby?

Those magic spells don't change anything anyway.

 

[RELIGHT]

they're just trying to let people know who the real victims are.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

The bible says that we live in a broken world, things are not as God has intended them to be.

This is false, nothing happens that is contrary to his will.

Meaning that God created the circumstances around people being homosexuals and condemns them to hell. According to your theology he literally tortures people forever.

 

[Apdiddy]

With my Facebook profile, I seem to have a diverse mix of people excited about the Supreme Court gay marriage ruling and right wing a-holes that applaud states like Alabama actually telling their county clerks, justices of the peace, etc. that they can refuse to marry couples if it 'offends their religious beliefs.' These people also believe that Christians will be 'persecuted.'

Gimme a break. If anyone doing persecution the last 100 years, it was Christians. I quit going to church in the last 8 years and I've never been happier.

 

[Lightning Count]

That's a lot of hypocrisy.

 

[Corpekata]

they're just trying to let people know who the real victims are.

Jesus christ.

Hey dumbass guy, maybe you are afraid to speak from your heart because you're full of shit. Just because it's your opinion or belief, it doesn't make you not an asshole.

Not to mention the incredibly tacky aping of coming out support videos is incredibly tone deaf.

 

[DINOSAURS]

An antiquated text and belief system is not going to make much sense in the 21st century.

 

[excelsiorlef]

It's a choice to live it out.

In general this is what I will say, I think it's sad christians are so occupied with whether it's something you're born as or not. It's completely irrelevant, the reality is that many people identify themselves as homosexual, and do not feel this is something they could ever change, the only question is "how do we love them as Jesus commanded us to" ?

Clearly what you do is tell them you love them them, then inform them they aren't living as god intended, then tell them you love them again, then tell them that while they might be gay my nature that to act on being gay is a choice and remind them once more that that is against god's intentions, and then tell them you love them again.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Lol what's wrong with that? I have a family member that's addicted to drugs. I openly hate that, and that lifestyle. I still love them though.

OP is confused. You don't have to agree with everything.

 

[Rosenskjold]

This is false, nothing happens that is contrary to his will.

Meaning that God created the circumstances around people being homosexuals and condemns them to hell. According to your theology he literally tortures people forever.

According to my theology? I think I just said the opposite of what you said. But please show me where in the bible where it says everything happens according to God's will.

 

[PnCIa]

There is so much fuss around this topic. Who cares what others think. There is a law for this stuff now, everything else it just bickering, no need to rub it into the face of either party.

 

[Vanpastel]

Lol what's wrong with that? I have a family member that's addicted to drugs. I openly hate that, and that lifestyle. I still love them though.

OP is confused. You don't have to agree with everything.

So, being LGBT=Using drugs. Also being gay is not a lifestyle, it's who we are.

 

[Kinsei]

Lol what's wrong with that? I have a family member that's addicted to drugs. I openly hate that, and that lifestyle. I still love them though.

OP is confused. You don't have to agree with everything.

The two are incomparable. A better comparison would be you saying you hate a friends race.

 

[2002whitegt]

This is false, nothing happens that is contrary to his will.

Meaning that God created the circumstances around people being homosexuals and condemns them to hell. According to your theology he literally tortures people forever.

Lots of things happen contrary to his will. This is a big misunderstanding that I don't get. The old Testament laws were a failure in that no one could follow them, and the whole point of the Bible is how we now live in grace because the old way didn't work.

 

[Rosenskjold]

Clearly what you do is tell them you love them them, then inform them they aren't living as god intended, then tell them you love them again, then tell them that while they might be gay my nature that to act on being gay is a choice and remind them once more that that is against god's intentions, and then tell them you love them again.

Yup, that's pretty much it. That God has something better for us is not isolated to homosexuals, it goes for everyone. I believe God has an interest in us all and that he can use anything for something good. I don't claim to understand everything that happens or why things are as they are.

But yeah you summed it up pretty well, I think the only thing Jesus has called us to do is to love people and tell them there's an alternative to their life that I believe is better.

 

[Gradon]

You guys are something. I agree, too many people believe that homosexuality is a choice. It is not a choice. How can you 'disagree' with something that someone cannot control and tell them you love them when it is NOT a choice? That's just the same as condemning black people because a book told you they chose to be black, 'but hey, we can still be friends!'. It's the same kind of arguments people used against interracial marriage in the past! Does that sound stupid to you? It should. And so should condemning gay marriage. Some comments make my blood boil because you people judge (and say you're not judging) and condemn people over something they cannot control, and tell them they are choosing to live a life of sin. You know what that does? It kills people. Let me tell you, this thread is great for adding people to the ignore list.