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[excelsiorlef]

Hey y'all if anyone is playing Poorly Comparing Gay Folk to Other Things Bingo

the score card so far in this thread is:

Mentally ill murders
Drug Addicts

And since the supreme court ruling in other threads:

Liars
Cheaters
Thieves
Rapists
Cannibals

Someone has to have a bingo to report by now yes?

 

[Chuckie]

It's a choice to live it out.

So god gave the homosexuals an extra burden? Born with a sexuality they shouldn't act upon?

 

[Vanpastel]

Yup, that's pretty much it. That God has something better for us is not isolated to homosexuals, it goes for everyone. I believe God has an interest in us all and that he can use anything for something good. I don't claim to understand everything that happens or why things are as they are.

But yeah you summed it up pretty well, I think the only thing Jesus has called us to do is to love people and tell them there's an alternative to their life that I believe is better.

Once again, there is no alternative. You are still framing it as being a choice, it is not.

 

[Ray Wonder]

So, being LGBT=Using drugs. Also being gay is not a lifestyle, it's who we are.

I wasn't equating using drugs=LGBT. I was equating how dumb it is to hate a person for it.

The two are incomparable. A better comparison would be you saying you hate a friends race.

My example perfectly fits. There's something you don't agree with, yet you look past that to not hate the person. The thing that you "disagree with/is against your religion" is irrelevant. The fact that you can look past it to say you don't hate the people is all that matters.

 

[Kinsei]

Once again, there is no alternative. You are still framing it as being a choice, it is not.

You just need to repress your sexuality and never seek out a romantic relationship. It's easy! /s

I wasn't equating using drugs=LGBT. I was equating how dumb it is to hate a person for it.



My example perfectly fits. There's something you don't agree with, yet you look past that to not hate the person. The thing that you "disagree with/is against your religion" is irrelevant. The fact that you can look past it to say you don't hate the people is all that matters.

It's not just something you don't agree with, it's what they are. By "disagreeing" with homosexuality you hate gay people.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yup, that's pretty much it. That God has something better for us is not isolated to homosexuals, it goes for everyone. I believe God has an interest in us all and that he can use anything for something good. I don't claim to understand everything that happens or why things are as they are.

But yeah you summed it up pretty well, I think the only thing Jesus has called us to do is to love people and tell them there's an alternative to their life that I believe is better.

What you are doing is not love, it's abuse.

My post you quoted was designed to highlight how ridiculous it is to say you love a gay person while continuously telling them that being gay is an affront to God. How hateful it is to say, that while god/nature made you gay, to ever act on your desire to find love is to go against God. I was trying to highlight how empty and fake that kind of love is. How hateful it is to claim you love someone and then seek to get the to deny themselves and live your better way. That being yourself is wrong, that accepting yourself is wrong and that there is a better way. That's not love, you don't lock someone in the closet out of love.

You were not supposed to agree with that omg.

 

[Ke0]

the only question is "how do we love them as Jesus commanded us to" ?

Get over the fact they're gay and go about your day? Seems pretty simple to me. I question the sexuality of anyone who spends so much time being "concerned" about what two men or two women do in the privacy in their own home.

Yup, that's pretty much it. That God has something better for us is not isolated to homosexuals, it goes for everyone. I believe God has an interest in us all and that he can use anything for something good. I don't claim to understand everything that happens or why things are as they are.

But yeah you summed it up pretty well, I think the only thing Jesus has called us to do is to love people and tell them there's an alternative to their life that I believe is better.

And we've reached the crux of the problem. It's not about you, you have your life to live and they have theirs. You have no control over their life anymore than they do over yours.

You're a Pharisee.

 

[cwmartin]

the only question is "how do we love them as Jesus commanded us to" ?

My only question is why they deserve fewer rights than you?

 

[Ray Wonder]

You just need to repress your sexuality and never seek out a romantic relationship. It's easy! /s



It's not just something you don't agree with, it's what they are. By "disagreeing" with homosexuality you hate gay people.

It doesn't seem like you're getting what I'm saying. The latter half of the "disagree with/is against your religion" was towards gay people. The first half of "disagree with/is against your religion" is towards the drugs. I was showing you my example works completely fine.

Also, can you explain to me how disagreeing with homosexuality means you hate gay people? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

[Rosenskjold]

How can you 'disagree' with something that someone cannot control and tell them you love them when it is NOT a choice? That's just the same as condemning black people because a book told you they chose to be black, 'but hey, we can still be friends!'.

Why can't you love people if you disagree with their choices? Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is. Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals. And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

 

[Gradon]

disagreeing with homosexuality

This doesn't make sense. Disagreeing with homosexuality is like disagreeing with having green eyes. How can you disagree with something someone cannot control?

 

[Kinsei]

It doesn't seem like you're getting what I'm saying. The latter half of the "disagree with/is against your religion" was towards gay people. The first half of "disagree with/is against your religion" is towards the drugs. I was showing you my example works completely fine.

Also, can you explain to me how disagreeing with homosexuality means you hate gay people? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

The same way being against black people means you're racist.

 

[Ke0]

It doesn't seem like you're getting what I'm saying. The latter half of the "disagree with/is against your religion" was towards gay people. The first half of "disagree with/is against your religion" is towards the drugs. I was showing you my example works completely fine.

Also, can you explain to me how disagreeing with homosexuality means you hate gay people? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Let's take it back to America circa 1950s.

"I don't think black people should have equal rights to us whites, but that doesn't mean I'm racist!"

No, it pretty much means you're racist.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Why can't you love people if you disagree with their choices? Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is. Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals. And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

You are condemning me finding love and praising the idea of me essentially dying alone.

I really appreciate that.

 

[cwmartin]

Why can't you love people if you disagree with their choices? Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is. Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals. And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

I do not accept this

 

[PulseONE]

Why can't you love people if you disagree with their choices? Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is. Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals. And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

Aww, you really do love us, asking us to remain alone for the rest of our lives even if we fall in love. Never to know love for family, dying alone and sad, so loving!

 

[Gradon]

Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is.

"Being black is not a choice, but choosing to not bleach your skin whiter is."

Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals.

Then it shouldn't matter to you, you'd rather people live miserably because of something they cannot choose. I'd rather be a happy man and love another man than conform to viewpoint that is full of hatred/fear/disgust. Also, I mentioned it above, but being told who you are is wrong and if you act upon it, it is sin and you are going to hell - is the reason some people kill themselves.

And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

And you won't get a single response and under your opinion have to live to hate yourself and who you are.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Why can't you love people if you disagree with their choices? Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is. Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals. And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

This kind of thing is what I just can't wrap my head around. I cannot fathom honestly believing that this is the nature of the world/universe.

Like, I totally understand being religious (Christian or otherwise) from a cultural standpoint. I cannot understand, however, trying to lay your culture's understanding of the world on top of someone else's and then basically telling them "Well, we already know the answer, and you won't like it, and it'll suck...but that's just what you're supposed to do".

Thinking so little of your own life (the only guaranteed one we have) just utterly amazes me.

 

[Rosenskjold]

What you are doing is not love, it's abuse.

My post you quoted was designed to highlight how ridiculous it is to say you love a gay person while continuously telling them that being gay is an affront to God. How hateful it is to say, that while god/nature made you gay, to ever act on your desire to find love is to go against God. I was trying to highlight how empty and fake that kind of love is. How hateful it is to claim you love someone and then seek to get the to deny themselves and live your better way. That being yourself is wrong, that accepting yourself is wrong and that there is a better way. That's not love, you don't lock someone in the closet out of love.

You were not supposed to agree with that omg.

It's only empty and fake if it's untrue that God does has something better. But I believe that he does, so I don't see why that is empty and fake.

My only question is why they deserve fewer rights than you?

Well I would say we don't have a right to anything, but honestly, I don't know why things are as they are, I just believe in Jesus and the bible.

Get over the fact they're gay and go about your day? Seems pretty simple to me. I question the sexuality of anyone who spends so much time being "concerned" about what two men or two women do in the privacy in their own home.

Well the reason I entered into this thread is just to show that not all christians spend their lives holding banners telling other people their lifestyle is wrong.

And we've reached the crux of the problem. It's not about you, you have your life to live and they have theirs. You have no control over their life anymore than they do over yours.

You're a Pharisee.

Why am I Pharisee for saying that the only thing we should do as christians is to love homosexuals?

 

[excelsiorlef]

And that is in the end why the image posted on this OP is not just a difference of opinion, having friends who love us so much that they want us to deny who we are and reject love is toxic.

 

[Ke0]

Why can't you love people if you disagree with their choices? Also no it's not the same. Being a homosexual is not a choice, but being in a homosexual relationship is. Obviously the first thought is "well, how could I ever choose not to be in a relationship?!" And this is where I'll just be honest and say: "I don't think that sounds like a very easy - or fair - choice", but I believe God has something better for us all, and that, that also goes for homosexuals. And I do believe I'm right in saying that is a choice and that you also have a choice to ask God "what the heck am I supposed to do then if your word says homosexuality is not what you intended!?!".

This makes like no sense at all. God seems like an asshole going by your description.

God: "Hehehehe hey Lucifer check this out. I'm going to make some of these guys homosexual"

Lucifer: "Oh goood, you're so bad!"

God: "Hehehe, then I'm going to tell them they have to be die alone and can't fall in love! or act on that homosexuality."

Lucifer: "LOL! Bro that's fucked up!"

God: "Best part is...they'll totally blame YOU for this! hahaha"

Lucifer: "..."

 

[Kinsei]

It's only empty and fake if it's untrue that God does has something better. But I believe that he does, so I don't see why that is empty and fake.



Well I would say we don't have a right to anything, but honestly, I don't know why things are as they are, I just believe in Jesus and the bible.



Well the reason I entered into this thread is just to show that not all christians spend their lives holding banners telling other people their lifestyle is wrong.



Why am I Pharisee for saying that the only thing we should do as christians is to love homosexuals?

What you're preaching sure as hell isn't love.

 

[PulseONE]

Well the reason I entered into this thread is just to show that not all christians spend their lives holding banners telling other people their lifestyle is wrong.

This is basically exactly what you are doing in here right at this moment.

 

[Erigu]

Thinking so little of your own life (the only guaranteed one we have) just utterly amazes me.

That's the thing: it's not their own life. Or they might think a bit harder about that nonsense.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Well the reason I entered into this thread is just to show that not all christians spend their lives holding banners telling other people their lifestyle is wrong.

All you've been doing in this thread is saying that gay people having gay relationships is wrong.

That's all you've done.

 

[afternoon delight]

Replace any use of 'homosexual relationship' with 'interracial relationship' and see how it sounds- you might find your rhetoric offensive.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Let's take it back to America circa 1950s.

"I don't think black people should have equal rights to us whites, but that doesn't mean I'm racist!"

No, it pretty much means you're racist.

The same way being against black people means you're racist.

No it wouldn't. You're equating a difference in how your brain works to a difference in skin color. There's a difference in being a different race, and being gay. It's a functional difference in how your brain works. Saying you don't agree with what gay people do is nothing like saying you don't agree with what color a black person's skin is. It doesn't even make sense to me how that comparison could come up.

Beside the fact that it's a touchy subject, and doubling down with "gay hating/racist" arguments makes it harder to tip toe around it without sounding racist/hating gay people.

Also, my original point had nothing to do with this.

You can disagree with something somebody does, and not hate that person. Just as you can have a religion which considers something that somebody does as sin, and not hate that person who commits the sin.

I'm not saying people who don't agree with gay people aren't wrong. I accept gay people for who they are, and I think that people who don't are in the wrong. I just don't think disagreeing with gay people is equatable to hating black people.

 

[PulseONE]

No it wouldn't. You're equating a difference in how your brain works to a difference in skin color. There's a difference in being a different race, and being gay. It's a functional difference in how your brain works. Saying you don't agree with what gay people do is nothing like saying you don't agree with what color a black person's skin is. It doesn't even make sense to me how that comparison could come up. I'm not saying people who don't agree with gay people aren't wrong. I accept gay people for who they are, and I think that people who don't are in the wrong. I just don't think disagreeing with gay people is equatable to hating black people.

Beside the fact that it's a touchy subject, and doubling down with "gay hating/racist" arguments makes it harder to tip toe around it without sounding racist/hating gay people.

Also, my original point had nothing to do with this.

You can disagree with something somebody does, and not hate that person. Just as you can have a religion which considers something that somebody does as sin, and not hate that person who commits the sin.

Of course, because we have complete control over how our brain works!

So let's compare it to something to do with brains then, replace race with, say, Autism.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Of course, because we have complete control over how our brain works!

So let's compare it to something to do with brains then, replace race with, say, Autism.

I'm not saying you have control. I'm saying it's not the same as skin color.

 

[Kinsei]

I'm not saying you have control. I'm saying it's not the same as skin color.

So you're sayig "disagreeing" with one thing no one can change isn't hate but the other is? It doesn't work that way.

 

[Rosenskjold]

You are condemning me finding love and praising the idea of me essentially dying alone.

I really appreciate that.

I do not accept this

Aww, you really do love us, asking us to remain alone for the rest of our lives even if we fall in love. Never to know love for family, dying alone and sad, so loving!

I think this comes down to what I just said. What I'm saying makes no sense if God isn't real, but if he is, why shouldn't it be possible that he has a better life if he's God?

"Being black is not a choice, but choosing to not bleach your skin whiter is."

I still don't think the comparison is the same, but I'm not saying I don't think it's a completely outrageous request, but I do believe that God is true to his word, even if what he seems to suggest is better sounds outrageous to us.

Then it shouldn't matter to you, you'd rather people live miserably because of something they cannot choose. I'd rather be a happy man and love another man than conform to viewpoint that is full of hatred/fear/disgust. Also, I mentioned it above, but being told who you are is wrong and if you act upon it, it is sin and you are going to hell - is the reason some people kill themselves.

Of course I don't want people to live miserably! You're just assuming that it's not true that God has a better life. I'm not lying when I say that I do believe that no matter how impossible it sounds, the life that God has for each one of us is better than what we could make for ourself on our own.

This kind of thing is what I just can't wrap my head around. I cannot fathom honestly believing that this is the nature of the world/universe.

Like, I totally understand being religious (Christian or otherwise) from a cultural standpoint. I cannot understand, however, trying to lay your culture's understanding of the world on top of someone else's and then basically telling them "Well, we already know the answer, and you won't like it, and it'll suck...but that's just what you're supposed to do".

Thinking so little of your own life (the only guaranteed one we have) just utterly amazes me.

I'm not trying to lay my "understanding of the world" on top of someone else. I'm saying, I believe God has a better life for all of us, and I'd encourage you to ask him what it is.

 

[Cheebo]

I'm not saying you have control. I'm saying it's not the same as skin color.

How is it not? You are born with your sexuality as well as skin color. You can't force yourself to switch by will.

Finding homosexuals less deserving of equal rights due to religion is no different than finding racial minorities less deserving of equal rights due to racism.

Using religion as an excuse does not make it any less bigoted. Being against equal rights is being against equal rights. There is no good or "better" excuse that is above one or the other.

 

[PulseONE]

I think this comes down to what I just said. What I'm saying makes no sense if God isn't real, but if he is, why shouldn't it be possible that he has a better life if he's God?

It makes no sense.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I

I'm not trying to lay my "understanding of the world" on top of someone else. I'm saying, I believe God has a better life for all of us, and I'd encourage you to ask him what it is.

I already know: Being the trans woman I am (already done) and finding the woman, man, or genderqueer of my dreams (hoping one day) and have a loving relationship until I die.

That's the better life.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

It makes no sense.

Even if God (the specific expression the Christian god referenced here, that is) was real, it'd still be a shitty proposition to say "I know you, a human being capable of and in need of love and affection on not only a familial and societal level, but also a romantic, sexual, and companionate one feel that on a sexual and romantic level you desire only members of the same sex, but that's just not what you're meant to do. If only you embraced my religion, you'd find something better."

 

[Rosenskjold]

What you're preaching sure as hell isn't love.

This is basically exactly what you are doing in here right at this moment.

All you've been doing in this thread is saying that gay people having gay relationships is wrong.

That's all you've done.

Well surely all of the people in this thread, 'Excelsiorlef' knows that what I've said is not just "homosexuality is wrong". It's true, I've probably misrepresented Jesus' love for people by saying being in a homosexual relationship is wrong. But I do believe I have said that we should love homosexuals! And that I have said that God has a better life for all people, and that, that goes for homosexuals as well. And then I have shared my poor understanding of the enormously complex question "How do you combine believing in the bible and being a homosexual?"

 

[Ray Wonder]

So you're sayig "disagreeing" with one thing no one can change isn't hate but the other is?

Sure, why not?. One is an action, one is a color. Someone can say "I don't think it's right that gay people have sex with people of the same sex, but I don't hate them."

You tell me a reason why it doesn't work that way. And not just "It doesn't work that way".

Finding homosexuals less deserving of equal rights due to religion is no different than finding racial minorities less deserving of equal rights due to racism.

Using religion as an excuse does not make it any less bigoted. Being against equal rights is being against equal rights. There is no good or "better" excuse that is above one or the other.

I don't know what any of this is for. I never made a point against it, at all, even a tiny little bit.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Well surely all of the people in this thread, 'Excelsiorlef' knows that what I've said is not just "homosexuality is wrong". It's true, I've probably misrepresented Jesus' love for people by saying being in a homosexual relationship is wrong. But I do believe I have said that we should love homosexuals! And that I have said that God has a better life for all people, and that, that goes for homosexuals as well. And then I have shared my poor understanding of the enormously complex question "How do you combine believing in the bible and being a homosexual?"

You're splitting hairs being gay is to be in a gay relationship.

All you've done is be a living version of that jpeg.

 

[Arkeband]

I think this comes down to what I just said. What I'm saying makes no sense if God isn't real, but if he is, why shouldn't it be possible that he has a better life if he's God?

I still don't think the comparison is the same, but I'm not saying I don't think it's a completely outrageous request, but I do believe that God is true to his word, even if what he seems to suggest is better sounds outrageous to us.

Of course I don't want people to live miserably! You're just assuming that it's not true that God has a better life. I'm not lying when I say that I do believe that no matter how impossible it sounds, the life that God has for each one of us is better than what we could make for ourself on our own.

I'm not trying to lay my "understanding of the world" on top of someone else. I'm saying, I believe God has a better life for all of us, and I'd encourage you to ask him what it is.

This whole "God has a better plan" thing you keep repeating is really creepy. "Don't act on those impulses - by the time you die and/or go to heaven you'll totally not be attracted to the same sex anymore." Interpreted in a less asinine way, you're asking people to talk to an imaginary figure to, essentially, not be gay anyway, so considering that's impossible (it's how your brain is wired), that's... still asinine. In fact, that's probably even worse. This is some Son of Sam logic.

This sounds awful and I wish you could listen to yourself from the third person but you've clearly been spoon-fed this your entire life, and you can't argue with someone who is never wrong by default.

 

[Rosenskjold]

It makes no sense.

Even if God (the specific expression the Christian god referenced here, that is) was real, it'd still be a shitty proposition to say "I know you, a human being capable of and in need of love and affection on not only a familial and societal level, but also a romantic, sexual, and companionate one feel that on a sexual and romantic level you desire only members of the same sex, but that's just not what you're meant to do. If only you embraced my religion, you'd find something better."

If God said "I have a better life for you", and he created the world and us, why is that a shitty proposition? (unless God lied about having a better life)

I already know: Being the trans woman I am (already done) and finding the woman, man, or genderqueer of my dreams (hoping one day) and have a loving relationship until I die.

That's the better life.

I still retain my right to believe that for both of us, God has a better life, and I'd encourage everyone to ask God what that is.

 

[PulseONE]

Well surely all of the people in this thread, 'Excelsiorlef' knows that what I've said is not just "homosexuality is wrong". It's true, I've probably misrepresented Jesus' love for people by saying being in a homosexual relationship is wrong. But I do believe I have said that we should love homosexuals! And that I have said that God has a better life for all people, and that, that goes for homosexuals as well. And then I have shared my poor understanding of the enormously complex question "How do you combine believing in the bible and being a homosexual?"

You can't say you love someone then tell them they should live alone and be celibate for the rest of their lives because you say they should. You need to realize that not everyone believes in God, or at least your idea of it.

If a Muslim tells you that you can have a better life with God by not eating pork and (if you're a woman) dress in a hijab, stop driving, stop working and get an arranged marriage, would you immediately say yes?

Sure, why not?. One is an action, one is a color. Someone can say "I don't think it's right that gay people have sex with people of the same sex, but I don't hate them."

You tell me a reason why it doesn't work that way. And not just "It doesn't work that way".



I don't know what any of this is for. I never made a point against it, at all, even a tiny little bit.

It's fine to say "I don't think it's right", you're allowed to feel that way, but it IS wrong to say "They shouldn't be able to do it because I don't think it's right."

 

[Kinsei]

Sure, why not?. One is an action, one is a color. Someone can say "I don't think it's right that gay people have sex with people of the same sex, but I don't hate them."

You tell me a reason why it doesn't work that way. And not just "It doesn't work that way".

Being gay isn't an action. I guess you could say acting on being gay is an action, but then so is getting into an interracial relationship.

 

[Rosenskjold]

You're splitting hairs being gay is to be in a gay relationship.

All you've done is be a living version of that jpeg.

I don't think it's entirely the same, being sexually attracted to the same sex is being homosexual, being in a relationship is being in a relationship. It's not the same, it's acting on a desire that you have. In the end it's a pointless discussion though, because how you live your life is between you and God.

This whole "God has a better plan" thing you keep repeating is really creepy. "Don't act on those impulses - by the time you die and/or go to heaven you'll totally not be attracted to the same sex anymore."

This sounds awful and I wish you could listen to yourself from the third person but you've clearly been spoon-fed this your entire life, and you can't argue with someone who is never wrong by default.

I've never said I'm never wrong? And I'm curious, why do you think it's creepy to believe that God has a better life for us all than the one we're currently living?

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

I read the message as the person saying "look I don't agree with your lifestyle choice but I I am still going to treat you with respect, all I ask is to be treated with respect as well for my belief system". Folks can disagree on things wholeheartedly but can still be accepting and respectful at the same time.

Basically tolerance works both ways.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I don't think it's entirely the same, being sexually attracted to the same sex is being homosexual, being in a relationship is being in a relationship. It's not the same, it's acting on a desire that you have. In the end it's a pointless discussion though, because how you live your life is between you and God.

And you, apparently, because you've said part of loving people the Jesus way is to encourage gay folk to not do gay relationships because it's against god.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

It makes no sense.

People that are coming from a perspective of a belief system are not supposed to make sense. Religious belief systems aren't trying to make sense of the world as it is, or come to rational conclusions about social progress.

 

[Rosenskjold]

You can't say you love someone then tell them they should live alone and be celibate for the rest of their lives because you say they should. You need to realize that not everyone believes in God, or at least your idea of it.

It's fine to say "I don't think it's right", you're allowed to feel that way, but it IS wrong to say "They shouldn't be able to do it because I don't think it's right."

Please point to the post where I said homosexuals shouldn't be able/allowed to be in a homosexual relationship. I'm saying that I think christians should love all people and that I'd encourage everyone to seek God and find out what he has to say to them.

 

[Ray Wonder]

It's fine to say "I don't think it's right", you're allowed to feel that way, but it IS wrong to say "They shouldn't be able to do it because I don't think it's right."

This is what I'm saying.

Being gay isn't an action. I guess you could say acting on being gay is an action, but then so is getting into an interracial relationship.

Hating people who are gay is bad. OK? I know that.

You're not doing yourself any favors by equating it to race. Let it be it's own thing. Because it's not the same thing.

 

[Kinsei]

I read the message as the person saying "look I don't agree with your lifestyle choice but I I am still going to treat you with respect, all I ask is to be treated with respect as well for my belief system". Folks can disagree on things wholeheartedly but can still be accepting and respectful at the same time.

Basically tolerance works both ways.

It's not a choice, and no I don't have to tolerate people like that.

 

[Rosenskjold]

And you, apparently, because you've said part of loving people the Jesus way is to encourage gay folk to not do gay relationships because it's against god.

Well I stand corrected there. Part of loving people the 'Jesus way', is to encourage people to seek God and find out what his plans for them are.