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Rumor: Microsoft is interested in buying AMD

What do you think of this proposed buyout?


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DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
LOL they're better off dropping all that cash into a bucket and lighting it on fire.

AMDs graphics cards and cpus are straight basura.

Why both console manufacturers went with AMDs peasant shit over the godly Intel + Nvidia combo is beyond me.

Because AMD allowed licensing their IP for the purposes of taking things to the fab.

So all the companies pay is the raw cost + a time descending royalty

Nvidia and Intel won't work like that and require you to buy the completed chips, which means the console companies don't see nearly as much benefit from increasing yields and declining manufacturing costs.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Lol this thread is like "Microsoft buys Mojang" all over again. The sky is falling, the end is night yada yada yada...


There are some real paranoid lunatics around here.

THEY CLOSED DOWN SCROLL THE BEST CARD GAME!!!1!!! Minecraft is next... they'll do the same to Sony and Nintendo. Wake up sheepol; we need to start a twitter campaign like #alwaysonline and make MS do a 360 from this attack. We need to get the DoJ involved. We need to start an email campaign to have Intel protect AMD. Doesn't Jeffe Gertsmen post on GAF, I hope he sees this post and does something to fix this. He's the only video games journalist I trust to do the right thing. I'm sick of M$ constantly throwing their money around to attack gamers and destroy businesses. I hope Windows 10 bombs!
 

Grief.exe

Member
In CPUs/APUs AMD is far behind, but conservative estimates of Zen 16nm FF will likely bring them within shouting distance of Skylake (assuming Skylake is yet another 5% "tick" evolution as its looking to be).

Technically Skylake is a tock as they have already done a dieshrink on their current process.
 

-tetsuo-

Unlimited Capacity
Well you know, every AMD chip out here is home grown, 100% GMO free. Now, some big fancy law man type from Microsanto came out here oh I say about 3 weeks back. Said he had a deal for us. He looked real serious like. He was throwing around some really big numbers for us. I...... well....... I known young little Nate Drake since.... since he was just knee high but..... it is a tough time for us right now. If it means that I never get to see him again, well........ a man has to take care of his family, you know?
 

Sciz

Member
Why both console manufacturers went with AMDs peasant shit over the godly Intel + Nvidia combo is beyond me.

The fact that every single console manufacturer went with AMD hardware this generation should tell you something about the commercial feasibility of an Intel/Nvidia box.
 
This intense company-wide feud that some here think exists between Microsoft and Sony is completely overblown.
These are huge corporations. They are just as much bed buddies in some market segments as they are competitors in others.

Surmising that if this AMD sale were to happen that Sony goes on a spending spree to acquire 'gpu & cpu company to be named later'...just so they don't pay Microsoft money....overstates their respective gaming divisions.

Sony wouldn't adopt a knee-jerk mindset; the companies would make the money work. And as I would like to see AMD compete with Nvidia again - an influx of R&D money could help - this deal may not be a terrible thing (if it happens).

The issue isnt money as tech companies do that all the time. You are right. But the issue is with MS knowing what SOC Sony wants to use and could give MS an advantage when making their own SOC for the next gen Xbox. Also MS's R&D costs would be lower and they could put more into their own chip. This may not matter much in mobile but in the gaming market where every bit of performance matters, its a big deal.
 

Maximilian E.

AKA MS-Evangelist
So let´s see...

The reasons why MS would buy AMD would be to tighten their hardware up a bit. Having Xbox, Surface and now HoloLens, then they could perhaps make better integration SW/HW wise. (More like Apple is doing with their chip designs).

Or this could be a strategy just to be inside popular hardware, so that even though they are not the main OS or main whatever, at least they could be SOC solution for that device.
But if they really wanted to do it like this, then they would buy ARM.

Buying AMD should not affect MS relationship with either Sony or Intel.
(Btw, Intel invests heavily in Liniux, that does not seem to affect Wintel so much)

MS does seems to be opening up, Office is now for almost every plattform and the mentality seems to be like this. A scenario I think would be cool, just because it has potential to rock the world a bit is the following.

1. MS and Nintendo joint console
- MS provides HW with inputs/requirements from Nintendo. MS also provides online infrastructure, with input from Nintendo.

2. MS provides their own handcontroller, Nintendo provides their own handcontroller. Basically, you can from the beginning choose which flavor you want to start with and later on buy the other handcontroller. This way, it allows for Nintendo to do their thing with controllers as they always like to introduce something new in this field. This way, to play Super Mario or whatever, you have to have the Nintendo controller.

3. Both companies share costs for R&D, hardware and ad expenses and Nintendo would have to swallow their pride and have XBoxLive become the default online service for all their games because as it is now, their online infrastructure is shaaaite.

Both companies have a desirable console, Nintendo will have the chance to introduce their franchaises to many more and MS also gets a push because of this.

Because if this rumor is true, then Nintendos next console might anyways have MS inside of them ;)
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
The issue isnt money as tech companies do that all the time. You are right. But the issue is with MS knowing what SOC Sony wants to use and could give MS an advantage when making their own SOC for the next gen Xbox. Also MS's R&D costs would be lower and they could put more into their own chip. This may not matter much in mobile but in the gaming market where every bit of performance matters, its a big deal.

Companies still have to operate independently by law through these types of practices you mentioned. The contracts would have to remain confidential from anyone in MSFT's gaming division.

However, knowing MSFT's track record with fair trade and anti trust, the needle would point more towards their meddling than not. So I would have a concern as well.
 
According to the guy from the MS rumor blog we may hear something around 5PM today, either a denial or nonconfirm. Possibly a confirm.

AMD's biggest market right now is graphics cards, then embedded systems, with desktop CPUs a distant third. That focus will likely not change after a Microsoft purchase. The more I think about it, the more I'm pretty sure this won't really change Intel's stranglehold they have on a number of markets. If there's any future Surface Pro tablets, they will likely still use Intel processors.

I expect AMD to make gains in the Desktop CPU market, but that market is so small, I doubt Intel is really crying when AMD has nothing in the pipeline to counter =<15W mobile designs which have become the bulk of their consumer business. The only area Intel might be concerned about is ceding Server marketshare. If AMD's plans work out and Zen is all what it is claimed to be, and still comes in at a better price than Intel's offering, it has a lot of potential there to claw some marketshare back.

I think the reaction is overblown and we'll see a lot of business as usual, and of course in a few months after we see some AMD products finally hit the market, there will be a bunch of articles claiming the acquisition was a failure because MSFT didn't take over the market and stomp Intel into homelessness.
 

statham

Member
According to the guy from the MS rumor blog we may hear something around 5PM today, either a denial or nonconfirm. Possibly a confirm.

AMD's biggest market right now is graphics cards, then embedded systems, with desktop CPUs a distant third. That focus will likely not change after a Microsoft purchase. The more I think about it, the more I'm pretty sure this won't really change Intel's stranglehold they have on a number of markets. If there's any future Surface Pro tablets, they will likely still use Intel processors.

I expect AMD to make gains in the Desktop CPU market, but that market is so small, I doubt Intel is really crying when AMD has nothing in the pipeline to counter =<15W mobile designs which have become the bulk of their consumer business. The only area Intel might be concerned about is ceding Server marketshare. If AMD's plans work out and Zen is all what it is claimed to be, and still comes in at a better price than Intel's offering, it has a lot of potential there to claw some marketshare back.

I think the reaction is overblown and we'll see a lot of business as usual, and of course in a few months after we see some AMD products finally hit the market, there will be a bunch of articles claiming the acquisition was a failure because MSFT didn't take over the market and stomp Intel into homelessness.

got a link to the blog?
 

Kathian

Banned
A software company with a poor hardware side buys a hardware company with a poor software side. Makes financial sense.
 
Technically Skylake is a tock as they have already done a dieshrink on their current process.

More to the point, Intel has been making noncommittal noises that they consider Skylake their most significant new architecture in nearly a decade. People forget that Intel have spent most of the post Sandy Bridge era hammering away at performance per watt to get x86 in line with ARM's power profile. Most of that work seems to be done, if Intel wants to get back to generational 30-50% performance increases then AMD is already dead. The only reason AMD is not dead now is because Intel have been so busy chasing mobile.

Also AMD have been wildly over hyping their supposed performance increases since Bulldozer flopped and now Fury X is flopping. I will take any AMD claims about Zen's performance with a stadium full of salt until third parties independently verify all claims.
 

Grief.exe

Member
More to the point, Intel has been making noncommittal noises that they consider Skylake their most significant new architecture in nearly a decade. People forget that Intel have spent most of the post Sandy Bridge era hammering away at performance per watt to get x86 in line with ARM's power profile. Most of that work seems to be done, if Intel wants to get back to generational 30-50% performance increases then AMD is already dead. The only reason AMD is not dead now is because Intel have been so busy chasing mobile.

Also AMD have been wildly over hyping their supposed performance increases since Bulldozer flopped and now Fury X is flopping. I will take any AMD claims about Zen's performance with a stadium full of salt until third parties independently verify all claims.

I know I'm ready to upgrade from Sandy Bridge. Bring on the performance increases.

Moving from an i5 to an i7 alone will be huge, especially with the upcoming DX12 push.
 
Well you know, every AMD chip out here is home grown, 100% GMO free. Now, some big fancy law man type from Microsanto came out here oh I say about 3 weeks back. Said he had a deal for us. He looked real serious like. He was throwing around some really big numbers for us. I...... well....... I known young little Nate Drake since.... since he was just knee high but..... it is a tough time for us right now. If it means that I never get to see him again, well........ a man has to take care of his family, you know?
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LeleSocho

Banned
More to the point, Intel has been making noncommittal noises that they consider Skylake their most significant new architecture in nearly a decade. People forget that Intel have spent most of the post Sandy Bridge era hammering away at performance per watt to get x86 in line with ARM's power profile. Most of that work seems to be done, if Intel wants to get back to generational 30-50% performance increases then AMD is already dead. The only reason AMD is not dead now is because Intel have been so busy chasing mobile.

Also AMD have been wildly over hyping their supposed performance increases since Bulldozer flopped and now Fury X is flopping. I will take any AMD claims about Zen's performance with a stadium full of salt until third parties independently verify all claims.

Can you back up your "they consider Skylake their most significant new architecture in nearly a decade" statement? Because reading here and there it seems yet another ~10% increase from Broadwell.
I would love to see performance gains like it was at the time Westmere->Sandy Bridge but aside some neat things it doesn't seems like it will happen.
 
Can you back up your "they consider Skylake their most significant new architecture in nearly a decade" statement? Because reading here and there it seems yet another ~10% increase from Broadwell.
I would love to see performance gains like it was at the time Westmere->Sandy Bridge but aside some neat things it doesn't seems like it will happen.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/pc-...ips-to-appear-in-tablets-pcs-servers-3600550/

I'm planning on upgrading at Skylake too, so I'm hoping it lives up to the hype. Intel are planning to debut Skylake at Gamescom, everyone is hoping for a real generational performance leap.
 
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/pc-...ips-to-appear-in-tablets-pcs-servers-3600550/

I'm planning on upgrading at Skylake too, so I'm hoping it lives up to the hype. Intel are planning to debut Skylake at Gamescom, everyone is hoping for a real generational performance leap.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you think Skylake is going to be something outside of the ordinary from Intel.

Sure, it will be more efficient and they've really beefed up the iGPU performance on these chips, but those gains are not of much significance to hardcore gamers. Expect 5-8% IPC gains only, as per usual Intel cycle, over Haswell.
 

Azih

Member
I really thought MS might buy HERE maps from Nokia actually.

Interesting that these are two areas where Google is really strong. Nadella seems to have thrown in the towel to them here.
 

dr_rus

Member
Because AMD allowed licensing their IP for the purposes of taking things to the fab.

So all the companies pay is the raw cost + a time descending royalty

Nvidia and Intel won't work like that and require you to buy the completed chips, which means the console companies don't see nearly as much benefit from increasing yields and declining manufacturing costs.

This is funny considering that Nvidia did work exactly like that on PS3.
There are many reasons why both went with AMD this time but it all boils down to price more than anything else.
 

SPDIF

Member
Microsoft buys AMD

1. Stop selling chips for PS4, where is your God now Sony?
2. Sell chips for PS4 but with secret timer in one of the metal layers (like the metal layer in Xbox hides 2.5TFlop dGPU) which goes bad within 24 hrs of first use - BOOM Sony has their own RROD fiasco. Who is your God now Sony?
3. Microsoft locks DirectX features and shuts out Nvidia, which in turn weakens Sony's alternative. Bow down to Microsoft.
4. Microsoft then makes Windows run slower on Intel CPUs weakening them also. Global domination.

Sony FATALITY.
Nvidia FATALITY.
Intel FATALITY.

Microsoft wins.

Microsoft can always lock up that free bird (mantle) and screw with Vulkan.

SteamOS doesn't take off. Gabe sells HL3 to Microsoft.

See below.

Microsoft buying HL3 confirmed.

But it is the BACKBONE!

Yes, they can fuck up Vulkan. And they can fuck Sony, Nvidia, Intel and Steam also, it all adds up.

BREAKING: Microsoft acquires AMD acquisition, Sony and Nintendo stocks crash


in some people's wet dreams

So how many more of these types of posts can we expect from you in this thread?
 
holy shit!

on one side this will give AMD the boost it desperately needs. On the other hand this will screw Sony and Nintendo big time.

Buying CPU from Intel and GPU from nvidia will kill sony for sure
 

FDBK

Member
If indeed Sony loses out on AMD, would it be feasible for Sony to go with a MIPS architecture again but for their next console, as they did with the PS2/PSP?
 

Insane Metal

Gold Member
IDK, I just don't want to see AMD failing. I want them to succeed. If MS buying them is necessary for this to happen, so be it.
 

Pooya

Member
If this was happening WSJ blog would have been all over it weeks ago, zzz nothing will come out of this rumor/
 

Zil33184

Member
This is about MS wanting to be vertically integrated in some of their key product lines, game consoles, phones, tablets, laptops (surface). Look at the Apple hardware model for their portable devices and then this makes a lot more sense. Apple owns the design for their AX chips, they are built to spec for exactly what Apple needs for each devices in terms of power draw, transistors, features.

The problem MS has is that they don't require the scale that Apple does because the sales are much lower for these devices so I wonder where they think their break-even point is.

A small IC design team and an ARM license would be enough for smartphones and tablets, no need to buy AMD which mainly specializes in x86 and GPU designs. AMD are too odd a fit for Microsoft since their main business is software services and enterprise.

If anything Sony buying AMD would have made a lot more sense if they decide to compete with Samsung as a component supplier for memory, ICs, and custom silicon. They have been reacquiring semiconductor fabs for image sensors and it might actually make sense for Sony to refocus as an electronics supplier. I can also see GPU and imaging being big areas of growth in the future, since they are key components in computer vision systems.

Of course this is just idle speculation since Sony would be re-entering a costly sector that counts Intel, Samsung, Nvidia, Global Foundries and TSMC as competition. But at least it makes for better fiction as opposed to speculation about Microsoft.
 
LOL they're better off dropping all that cash into a bucket and lighting it on fire.

AMDs graphics cards and cpus are straight basura.

Why both console manufacturers went with AMDs peasant shit over the godly Intel + Nvidia combo is beyond me.

Because both MS and Sony have been burned by Nvidia, and MS has with Intel at least, and neither of those companies could do both a CPU and GPU that were both near the power consumption or power levels of the AMD APUs the consoles now have, at least not back in 2012-ish when the consoles were being planned out.

Of course Intel's made huge strides, and they're likely going to close in on a semi-decent iGPU by next console cycle, but who knows if they'd get a console contract.
 

Macrotus

Member
If this is true, you could say bye to PS5s backwards compatibility...

Because if Sony were to use an AMD APU again, Microsoft would know exactly what kind of chip and spec the PS5 would be.
Sony probably wouldn't want that.
And using a non-AMD APU means, harder to make it backwards compatible to PS4.
 
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