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[Vitacat]

Really interesting video.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.

You should PM a mod to make sure, but I think these videos are definitely worth discussing in a seperate thread. Thanks for posting them!

 

[Digital-Hero]

I wonder if he is related to Mike Trout. (Couldn't resist)

Thanks for the link.

 

[Syph Medwes]

I heard his new game was pretty promising, Chris praised it on Idle Thumbs.

edit: http://www.superhypercube.com/

holy shit did we have a thread on this? how did i miss this

 

[PMS341]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic. A shred of modesty never hurt anyone, and it certainly would aid in his artistic merit.

Good on him for being successful and following his dreams and whatnot.

 

[chaobreaker]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic. A shred of modesty never hurt anyone, and it certainly would aid in his artistic merit.

Good on him for being successful and following his dreams and whatnot.

Of course a bit of modesty could always help, by that is owed to no one, especially to morons on twitter. Phil Fish may have had no filter, but neither did the kind of people who harrased him on the internet.

 

[jediyoshi]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic.

We place much less value on shit on the internet/twitter than we do in real life, it's sociopathic if viewed from the lens of someone saying it to someone else's face in person in earnest. Someone telling someone else to kill themself is basically internet lexicon.

Take that snapshot for example, we don't even have context of what the tweet he was responding to because we don't care. We also seemingly don't care about the death threats sent to him to find it worthy of analyzing in the same manner.

 

[jmood88]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic. A shred of modesty never hurt anyone, and it certainly would aid in his artistic merit.

Good on him for being successful and following his dreams and whatnot.

It was a joke from Futurama.

 

[dLMN8R]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic. A shred of modesty never hurt anyone, and it certainly would aid in his artistic merit.

Good on him for being successful and following his dreams and whatnot.

Your kind of post is exactly what the video talks about.

Like you've never said something you regret later. Or said something that you thought was funny because it's a direct reference to a popular cartoon, only to later realize the context was lost on delivery.

Phil Fish has done and said some really stupid things, but none of that justifies the hate mobs he's faced, or the doxxing of his entire personal and professional life (and the lives of his colleagues), or the death threats, or anything else.


You're just regurgitating screenshots that everyone knows exists, in order to convince others that he's not a worth human being to have empathy for, because he's said some stupid things on Twitter.

You're not providing an interesting perspective or new information, especially not to anyone in this thread.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

It was a joke from Futurama.

lol good times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1YLkpl1Do

 

[chubigans]

edit: nevermind, the twitter account I was looking at was a fake one impersonating Fish.

 

[dLMN8R]

Decided to go check out his twitter page. Still shouting crazy things, but now with wayyyy fewer people giving him any attention given the retweet/favorite count on some of them. Huh.

Which twitter page are you looking at?

Part of the behavior of sociopaths attacking him are those who still today continue to impersonate him.

This is his only real twitter page: https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Did Phil Fish deserved that mob hate? Nope

Does that excuse him for his actions and comments? Nope

 

[chaobreaker]

Decided to go check out his twitter page. Still shouting crazy things, but now with wayyyy fewer people giving him any attention given the retweet/favorite count on some of them. Huh.

Check the dates of those tweets. Dude basically shut down his twitter and went AWOL nearly a year ago when he was doxxed and had private company information and financial records leaked by hackers. It was pretty brutal.

Edit: You were probably looking at a fake account. Even now there are people harassing him by making shallow impersonations of him. Disgusting.

 

[Ecto311]

You should PM a mod to make sure, but I think these videos are definitely worth discussing in a separate thread. Thanks for posting them!

PM a mod? Why can't you just make a new post about a new video series instead of asking mom and dad if you can? Just do it and if it gets closed then it gets closed. Considering this thread is for the creator of fez and not really about the video creators I don't see any issue.

 

[jediyoshi]

You should see his Twitter feed now. Same dumb stuff, lazily trying to get a rise out of people.

You make it sound as if that's actually the ideal route to take.

 

[dLMN8R]

These are the last tweets Phil Fish ever made on his real account:

Real account: https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/

Fake account: https://twitter.com/PHIL_FlSH/

Subtle use of ASCII characters by sociopathic internet terrorists.

 

[chubigans]

Which twitter page are you looking at?

Part of the behavior of sociopaths attacking him are those who still today continue to impersonate him.

This is his only real twitter page: https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/

Check the dates of those tweets. Dude basically shut down his twitter and went AWOL nearly a year ago when he was doxxed and had private company information and financial records leaked by hackers. It was pretty brutal.

Edit: You were probably looking at a fake account. Even now there are people harassing him by making shallow impersonations of him. Disgusting.

Wow, I had no idea! That's crazy.

 

[PMS341]

It was a joke from Futurama.

And in the context of what was said, and the intent behind it, there was no joke to be had.

We place much less value on shit on the internet/twitter than we do in real life, it's sociopathic if viewed from the lens of someone saying it to someone else's face in person in earnest. Someone telling someone else to kill themself is basically internet lexicon.

Take that snapshot for example, we don't even have context of what the tweet he was responding to because we don't care. We also seemingly don't care about the death threats sent to him to find it worthy of analyzing in the same manner.

We shouldn't place less value on what we say on the Internet because real people exist on each side. As for not caring, that is your own doing and some research might help. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126385-Update-Fez-Dev-Tells-Media-Member-To-Kill-Himself is the context.

Your kind of post is exactly what the video talks about.

Like you've never said something you regret later. Or said something that you thought was funny because it's a direct reference to a popular cartoon, only to later realize the context was lost on delivery.

Phil Fish has done and said some really stupid things, but none of that justifies the hate mobs he's faced, or the doxxing of his entire personal and professional life (and the lives of his colleagues), or the death threats, or anything else.

You're just regurgitating screenshots that everyone knows exists, in order to convince others that he's not a worth human being to have empathy for, because he's said some stupid things on Twitter.

You're not providing an interesting perspective or new information, especially not to anyone in this thread.

You can have empathy for someone and still not agree with the way they act and treat people. Fish thinks that Fez gave him a key to the city - he was always, always pretentious about it. Being famous does not make you a better person.

 

[dLMN8R]

Do your part and report the fake accounts because Twitter is too incompetent to prevent against this otherwise

You can have empathy for someone and still not agree with the way they act and treat people. Fish thinks that Fez gave him a key to the city - he was always, always pretentious about it. Being famous does not make you a better person.

Now you're calling him "pretentious"? I can't even begin to comprehend how his behavior is "pretentious". At best he's kind of an asshole, but he's acting after Fez released the exact same way he always acted before Fez released, heck before anyone even knew what Fez is.

That is what the entire video is about, in fact - have you even watched it? Because you're literally regurgitating the same boring arguments all of his harassers have done for years, and is exactly what the video talks about.

 

[dLMN8R]

(double post)

 

[PMS341]

Now you're calling him "pretentious"? I can't even begin to comprehend how his behavior is "pretentious". At best he's kind of an asshole, but he's acting after Fez released the exact same way he always acted before Fez released, heck before anyone even knew what Fez is.

That is what the entire video is about, in fact - have you even watched it? Because you're literally regurgitating everything it talks about from the perspective of someone who's only read negative things about Phil Fish from sociopaths on the internet.

I think he's a good game designer. He's just a shit human being. Artists who lack modesty generally have a similar attitude, though. His game only enflamed an ego that apparently existed beforehand as well (which makes it ok?). Remember the context of his quote:

"The thing with us "tosspots" "hipsters" is that we're not beholden to media leeches like you, and you're right. we're VERY successful. And we're not going anywhere. Get used to it you middle-aged parasite. Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself."

Great pop culture reference! Nothing pretentious here at all. At best, an asshole.

 

[chaobreaker]

You can have empathy for someone and still not agree with the way they act and treat people. Fish thinks that Fez gave him a key to the city - he was always, always pretentious about it. Being famous does not make you a better person.

You seem way to worked up with how Phil Fish conducted himself. Why does it matter if he acts "pretentious"?

 

[JasonUresti]

Phil seems to be arrogant and socially awkward and not an elegant speaker/communicator. That's a death sentence on the internet, given the roving hordes of barbarians which populate social media.

 

[Cave Johnson]

It's a well made video discussing the finer points of the Internet culture at large using Fish as the subject to the authors presentation. What it really boils down to this: Internet mob creates their own Jesus to crucify because he is simply a walking blasphemy to the gaming sub-culture. None of the other finer points matter like an actual breakdown of his controversial statements because simply, it makes them feel good about themselves. It's amazing how the tools of cynisism can still create giant echo-chambers to immune outside their bubble-perspective.

 

[PMS341]

You seem way too worked up with how Phil Fish conducted himself. Why does it matter if he acts "pretentious"?

It matters because those acting "pretentious" are doing so to make themselves feel bigger, better, etc, all while putting others down. It's immature and the sign of a bad artist.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

You seem way to worked up with how Phil Fish conducted himself. Why does it matter if he acts "pretentious"?

Does it matter? Not really.

Dosn't mean people can't have an opinion of a popular guy on the internet by watching his behavior on internet.

 

[The Real Abed]

Real account: https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/

Fake account: https://twitter.com/PHIL_FlSH/

Subtle use of ASCII characters by sociopathic internet terrorists.

Wait... What's the diff... Oh, it's a lowercase L. I guess you could say it's a fishing technique.... get it? Fishing? Phishing? Get it? It's funny.

Seriously though, it's sad that something like that could be so easy to pull off. It could happen to anyone and in this case was really easy because of his use of ALL CAPS in his name. I'm still following the real Phil from before he locked and retired his account.

 

[dLMN8R]

I think he's a good game designer. He's just a shit human being. Artists who lack modesty generally have a similar attitude, though. His game only enflamed an ego that apparently existed beforehand as well (which makes it ok?). Remember the context of his quote:

"The thing with us "tosspots" "hipsters" is that we're not beholden to media leeches like you, and you're right. we're VERY successful. And we're not going anywhere. Get used to it you middle-aged parasite. Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself."

Great pop culture reference! Nothing pretentious here at all. At best, an asshole.

I still don't think you've actually watched the video, since most of the reasons you're claiming to hate him for are pretty exaggerated if not entirely fabricated.


See: This thread, just a few posts before yours where nearly a year after he canceled Fez 2 and left public social media, people are still defaming him by running fake Twitter accounts.

Their sole purpose? Trying to convince people that the accepted stereotype of his behavior is actually real.

 

[PMS341]

Imagine thinking someone is a victim when they tell someone to commit suicide publicly due to their crippling aspergers.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Their sole purpose? Trying to convince people that the accepted stereotype of his behavior is actually real.

One thing is pointing the exacerbate reaction of assholes on the internet and the undeserved hate one person may get.

Another entirely different is trying to rewrite history.

 

[dLMN8R]

Imagine thinking someone is a victim when they tell someone to commit suicide publicly due to their crippling aspergers.

Are you mistaken in believing that anyone here actually condones Phil Fish's behavior? That he's not (or was not) an asshole for something stupid he said two years ago?

 

[DirtyLarry]

This was brilliant actually.
Great job Ian Danskin.

 

[Toxi]

edit: nevermind, the twitter account I was looking at was a fake one impersonating Fish.

This says a lot about the sort of blind hate Phil Fish attracts, and why you should take anything said by that crowd with an enormous pile of salt.

 

[daegan]

I heard his new game was pretty promising, Chris praised it on Idle Thumbs.

edit: http://www.superhypercube.com/

i had no idea that there was something coming and this for real made my day

 

[robotrock]

I heard his new game was pretty promising, Chris praised it on Idle Thumbs.

edit: http://www.superhypercube.com/

Don't think it's his.

 

[Silent Chief]

Reminds me of A Fish Called Wanda.

 

[jediyoshi]

We shouldn't place less value on what we say on the Internet because real people exist on each side. As for not caring, that is your own doing and some research might help. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126385-Update-Fez-Dev-Tells-Media-Member-To-Kill-Himself is the context.

But you're literally only saying that in this specific instance because of Phil, it's otherwise apropos of nothing to bring it up. You're not bringing it up because it's something terrible on the internet, it's because it's Phil saying something terrible on the internet. Why don't you have an image ready of something else someone has said as opposed to him? It's not like it's hard to spend a few seconds on a news blog or YouTube comment section to find something equivalent. It's his words over others in the entirety of this because you care about what he has to say over others, because he's specifically an example and not the people he talks to for some reason. It's a completely false value judgement because you choose to arbitrarily place more value on his words because of the character. The latter doesn't make any sense. The onus is on you when you bring it up to provide context, lack of context creates its own context and implies about yourself that you weigh less importance on the other side of the conversation.

 

[Simmins]

I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.

Definitely should because It's worthy of more attention. I mean I found it because of the recommendations in the Phil videos, and they are great thought provoking videos.

 

[spekkeh]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic. A shred of modesty never hurt anyone, and it certainly would aid in his artistic merit.

Good on him for being successful and following his dreams and whatnot.

It's an acceptable thing to say. If you have tiger blood and adonis DNA.

 

[Liamario]

He gets nothing but abuse and when he gives some back, it's not acceptable. Get a grip.

 

[Drencrom]

Phil Fish should make a comeback.

Screw the haters, I miss the guy...

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Regardless of the quality of Fez, anyone that thinks this is an acceptable thing to say is downright sociopathic. A shred of modesty never hurt anyone, and it certainly would aid in his artistic merit.

Good on him for being successful and following his dreams and whatnot.

John Oliver had a fantastic video on online harassment. It's also the only video he has made that is (downvoted) by a hell of a lot of people. It really goes to show - Him and his writers can critique any number of subjects to soaring applause - gay and transgender rights, system problems in America related to the medical/medi-care/doctor/jail/bail/bonds/police and even make great insight into racism and discrimination, but when it comes to online harassment. nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNIwYsz7PI

 

[Iced Arcade]

Was an excellent video and it's true the Internet only talks about the negative while ignoring the positive... which happens so much in the gaming community.

 

[John Kowalski]

I hope Fish is doing well.

 

[zoukka]

Fuck this bullying culture we live in. People are so fucking jealous of any shred of success and talent. Get over yourselves.

 

[mnz]

I heard his new game was pretty promising, Chris praised it on Idle Thumbs.

edit: http://www.superhypercube.com/

Isn't this actually an old game they worked on years ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrehVTE9U9M

 

[gigantor21]

Fuck this bullying culture we live in. People are so fucking jealous of any shred of success and talent. Get over yourselves.

The salt surrounding Pewdiepie's earnings provided yet another example just recently. I don't even like his videos and found the backlash to be petty bullshit.

It's not like he got the money through human trafficking or extortion or some shit--there are plenty of money making schemes more deserving of scorn than his videos.

 

[Tizoc]

I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.

Will give this a watch tonight when I get back from work, thanks for linking it.

 

[PooBone]

Phil Fish might be the first game designer more famous for his behind-the-scenes drama than his games.