Gunslinger
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I think alex can make it. We only have 1 grappler so far (birdie) and one semi grappler (vega).
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Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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I think alex can make it. We only have 1 grappler so far (birdie) and one semi grappler (vega).
I know this, I was only joking. Yeah it is a shame that a lot of good characters have to be constantly locked in the basement because 3 didn't do so well. It's even more annoying that because of Capcom being chickenshits with rosters that we get the same characters.
Dominican Power
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Sagat and Akuma better be in
GordonHalfman
Member
Feel like the game has to have a conventional grappler, which basically means Gief is in. Unless Alex could fill that role? (Didn't play SF3.)
Geminosity
Member
I'm just teasing :3
Last 4 slots? If I wanted to just round it out for fans I'd just go with the siliconera rumour to be honest as the 4 it mentions are pretty popular and I want 2 of them myself (Karin for the counters and Mika for the grappling)
Fighting games were always in the main stream. FG tournoments werent.
People were buying the shit out of Smah/Mk/Tekken and still are.
Birdie already fills it.
Nope , Alex isn't a conventional grappler. Even in SF 3 , Hugo was there to fill the role.
Gunslinger
Member
That's true.
Here is my final prediction
Green 4 boxes - SF2 World Warrior
Ryu
Ken
Chunli
Dhalsim
Green 2 boxes - SF2 Champion Edition
Bison
Vega
Green 2 boxes - SSF2
Cammy
Feilong (we already have Hong Kong Stage)
Blue 1 box - SFA
Charlie
Blue 1 box - SF1
Birdie
Blue 1 box - SF4
Juri
Blue 1 box - SF3
Urien
Purple 4 boxes - New Characters
4 New Characters including Necalli
The above is not my own wish list as I would prefer characters that haven't appeared in SFIV like Alex. But it is an educated prediction. The SF2 boxes lineup from the original image to customers the SSF2 by half including World Warrior, Champion Edition and Super. The 4 blue boxes represent characters that haven't appeared in SSF2 so each SF entry will atleast have 1 representation. The above also diversifies the characters nationalities with Dhalsim, Feilong, Juri and Urien instead having another American blonde guy like Alex. Finally the above rosters diversifies the playstyle. Dhalsim is unique keep away character. Feilong is the rekka character. Urien is the zoner and trap playstyle with angles fireballs and Aegis reflector.
Edit for those complaining about roommate returning characters I'm sure Capcom will think of ideas with new moves as well as V Triggers and V Skills to give old characters a bresh of fresh air. Just take a look at Ken, Charlie and Bison.
Green 4 boxes - SF2 World Warrior
Ryu
Ken
Chunli
Dhalsim
Green 2 boxes - SF2 Champion Edition
Bison
Vega
Green 2 boxes - SSF2
Cammy
Feilong (we already have Hong Kong Stage)
Blue 1 box - SFA
Charlie
Blue 1 box - SF1
Birdie
Blue 1 box - SF4
Juri
Blue 1 box - SF3
Urien
Purple 4 boxes - New Characters
4 New Characters including Necalli
The above is not my own wish list as I would prefer characters that haven't appeared in SFIV like Alex. But it is an educated prediction. The SF2 boxes lineup from the original image to customers the SSF2 by half including World Warrior, Champion Edition and Super. The 4 blue boxes represent characters that haven't appeared in SSF2 so each SF entry will atleast have 1 representation. The above also diversifies the characters nationalities with Dhalsim, Feilong, Juri and Urien instead having another American blonde guy like Alex. Finally the above rosters diversifies the playstyle. Dhalsim is unique keep away character. Feilong is the rekka character. Urien is the zoner and trap playstyle with angles fireballs and Aegis reflector.
Edit for those complaining about roommate returning characters I'm sure Capcom will think of ideas with new moves as well as V Triggers and V Skills to give old characters a bresh of fresh air. Just take a look at Ken, Charlie and Bison.
Yeah Alex is a wrestler/grappler and was the resident grappler of SF3. Alex could definitely fit the grappler role in SF5.
This is a good guess.
Do we need a conventional grappler
We have Birdie who has grapple moves from a range and up close.
We have Necalli who has a command grab as well as a Super that looks like a grab.
Even Vega now has grapple moves without the Claw.
Perhaps one of the newbies will be a conventional grappler. But I don't expect any more returning characters to be grapplers.
DryEyeRelief
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It would make sense that a segment of the SF2 returners is dedicated to the new challengers because of how its arranged. Cammy is considered to be a protagonist the same way Ryu and Chun-Li are, but she's separated from them on that roster picture.
You guys are overreacting about 3S characters , Capcom doesnt really hate them. 3S just isn't as popular as you guys imagine. How well did 3S: OE perform compared to Alpha and SF2 games.
Alpha and SF2 re-releases have always performed fairly decent , so I guess Capcom is basing their information on that.
Internet polls are limited to a few thousands of people who are all hardcore fans ( and god knows how secure the poll was anyway). I really dont think you can expect them to fill up too many slots with SF3. The roster is just too small ,especially since we are getting 4 new characters.
Alpha and SF2 re-releases have always performed fairly decent , so I guess Capcom is basing their information on that.
Internet polls are limited to a few thousands of people who are all hardcore fans ( and god knows how secure the poll was anyway). I really dont think you can expect them to fill up too many slots with SF3. The roster is just too small ,especially since we are getting 4 new characters.
Brian_FETO
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I feel like Fei Long won't be in the initial roster, just because his name is plastered all over the Hong Kong stage. Seems odd to show that off in the first area revealed if he wasn't going to be revealed for a long while after
Stone Ocean
Member
Tell that to HDR. Pretty sure it was a bomba
I can see this being the roster, unfortunately. Ah well, I still have 3rd Strike on my PS3. I'll probably end up playing that more than SFV at this rate.
notworksafe
Member
In what universe?
here is the interesting part though
Sony and this capcom cup business, competitive video games/esports whatever you wanna call it are the jam. They make bank, heck even fighting games are getting to the point where their desire to stay " dirty" is conflicting with what companies want for their games and esports for everyone on the horizon, where holding evo in hotel lobbies is starting to get to be such a shakey premise.Now consoles for the most part don't have that much to speak off on a moba type situation, but they do have fighting games. And sony and while they don't have smash bros, they do have street fighter. I'm interested in the steps sony is going to take in the competitive scene of fighting games going forward if SFV is a success in that regard, and if its going to prompt Microsoft and Nintendo to get more involved.
Also the fact that isn't call The Street fight Bannagananza, its called capcom cup, alliteration aside, this implies that this doesn't hasn't to be street fighter only, or heck even fighting game only in some regards. I wonder if there are more fight games on the horizon, or just more epsorts centric type stuff in general
See, this is what happens when I don't check Gaf for a while but instead explore Rome: a surprise reveal of a character that nobody really expected (and that I could've done without myself despite liking how he looks)!
Yeah, I have to agree with this despite my personal "meh" regarding Vega's reveal. Not knowing who will be in or not will make the coming months exciting.
It does seem likely, doesn't it? I'd much rather see them show some more backbone and create a fresh roster for V that consists of only a couple of overused (SFII) veterans and where lesser used (SFIII) characters and newcomers make up the rest. It seems they officially failed in that regard, which to me, as a SFIII fan especially, is a bit of a bummer.
I have a gut feeling that this could be true. I really, REALLY hope we're wrong on this though! I need Alex at the very least! (I actually feel that he should have been appointed as the third iconic, guaranteed-to-be-in-every-SF character by now next to Ryu and Chun-li, but so far: alas.)
Yeah, I have to agree with this despite my personal "meh" regarding Vega's reveal. Not knowing who will be in or not will make the coming months exciting.
It does seem likely, doesn't it? I'd much rather see them show some more backbone and create a fresh roster for V that consists of only a couple of overused (SFII) veterans and where lesser used (SFIII) characters and newcomers make up the rest. It seems they officially failed in that regard, which to me, as a SFIII fan especially, is a bit of a bummer.
I have a gut feeling that this could be true. I really, REALLY hope we're wrong on this though! I need Alex at the very least! (I actually feel that he should have been appointed as the third iconic, guaranteed-to-be-in-every-SF character by now next to Ryu and Chun-li, but so far: alas.)
Capcom seemed very happy though.
http://www.1up.com/news/street-fighter-2-breaks-downloadable
This is Pre-SF4 revival btw.
I think its joking , 250k in a month is no joke. I bet its very close a million by now.
SF4 would have given it a good boost.
Stone Ocean
Member
I'm probably mistaking it for something else then, my bad
Troubled Bat
Member
Out of nowhere! xD
Dark Stalkers bombed super hard I believe, that might be it.
But why that might have happened is a very long conversation about theme.
The Lone Dragon
Member
With or without SF3, SF was going to burn out soon. They released WAY too many SF games within a short period of time between 1991-1999.
There were like a dozen SF games released at that time, many containing the "classic SF2 cast".
SFA3 came out AFTER SF3 debuted, and it had everyone from ST in it. Guess what? SF STILL went away for nearly 10 years.
CvS1, CvS2, SFEX3, and MvC2 all came out after 3S. Guess what? SF STILL went away for nearly 10 years.
Stop blaming SF3. The series was headed for burn out regardless of what roster was in SF3.
I believe the strong performance of SF2 CE on XBLA helped convince Capcom to invest in SF 4. ( I remember reading about this somewhere in an Ono interview).
Also Alpha has consistently done decent (Anthology,PSP Games).
Which is why initial SF4 roster only added Alpha characters. Sakura,Rose,Gen,Dan. and SSF2 vets like Cammy,Fei.
It wasn't until SSF4 when Capcom decided to throw in the most popular 3S characters and even then only after adding 3 other Alpha characters.
Stone Ocean
Member
I think we should probably get Urien in the starting roster regardless of the rumours
"3SOE and JJBAHD sucked, we aren't leaving GGPO anymore" is not a long conversation
No i'm talking about dark stalkers, I'm talking about i just don't think folk had really ever that much interest in dark stalkers.
That conversation is longer
Troubled Bat
Member
To be fair. There would have been one character we wouldn't have known about, but I assumed it would get to Juri.
Now with Vega in, I feel Karin/R. Mika is the less likely ones. I still believe in Alex/Urien joining in.
Also, what is it with command throws now?
Now with Vega in, I feel Karin/R. Mika is the less likely ones. I still believe in Alex/Urien joining in.
Also, what is it with command throws now?
Stone Ocean
Member
It's not Hazanshu, it's SenenshuWait a minute ChunLi has Hazanshu in SF5, it wasn't mentioned in her initial movelist
It's a command normal now, df MK
Wait a minute ChunLi has Hazanshu in SF5, it wasn't mentioned in her initial movelist
It's a command normal now. d/f+mk, I believe.
Command throws are the future.
Projectjustice
Banned
Dark Sakura, Karin, Alex and Urien up next. 3 other slots for the other 3 new characters.
Akuma will be the first DLC character.
Akuma will be the first DLC character.
Emperor Bohe
Member
not financially
I think we should take every character we are saying are "locked in" and throw them in the de-confirmed list.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/...o-covers-five-things-you-need-know-about-sf5/
Like Vega literally fits the bill here , who the hell thought he would come? Everyone was certain its gonna be Gief,Sim,Honda,Blanka if SF2 characters were returning.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/...o-covers-five-things-you-need-know-about-sf5/
Like Vega literally fits the bill here , who the hell thought he would come? Everyone was certain its gonna be Gief,Sim,Honda,Blanka if SF2 characters were returning.
Not even close. He's a weird command grappler with charge moves and almost no combo potential. He felt like a rushdown character half the time, but he had no good way of getting in. His entire game was built around mixups and stun.
Troubled Bat
Member
I don't think Vega fits in that Birdie category.
Also, I didn't think any of those characters were coming. Not until much later. This is Shadaloo vs Illuminati, so it makes sense.
This is why I put Feilong in my prediction list. He fits in with the roster slotting of halving the SF2 roster between WW, CE and SSF2. There is already a Hong Kong stage revealed. No one would see him coming similar to Birdie and Vega. He can have crazy animationn with his stance and facial expressions on the SFV engine. They can give him more new moves inspired by Bruce Lee such as 1 inch punch to keep him fresh. Change his costume to another Bruce Lee inspired costume. His V Tiger he can pull out nunchucks. Also he would be the rekka character of the roster.
Yea Birdie is a bit extreme , we might get at best 1 or 2 more birdie-tier moments. But Vega is still a pretty unexpected reveal.
A redone Fei Long would be epic , I always thought hes a cool character but his moves outside of Rekka are pretty meh.
Tizoc
Member
It's not Hazanshu, it's Senenshu
It's a command normal now, df MK
Thanks for clearing it up.
What about Chun's 'high jump', where she jumps vertically to the air?
Brian_FETO
Banned
What if everyone is looking at the squares the wrong way? Maybe the green box is characters we expected to see in SFV, and the blue is characters from left field? Maybe Vega is blue box????
He actually looks really cool. As usual, doubt I'll play him but I respect his style. I actually think his face looks good too, not like Ken's weird unfinished look
Probably not
He actually looks really cool. As usual, doubt I'll play him but I respect his style. I actually think his face looks good too, not like Ken's weird unfinished look
That's her v-skill.
Absolutely.
I am just hoping that it is something old school and not something where you use BP points from fighting online
The one thing that annoys me more than anything is when people say;
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed because people say this, because their right. The SF2 cast are more recognisable and this is soley because Capcom bring these characters back out game, after game, after game all the time. If your favourite characters are from SF2, that's fine with me, everyone has their favourites. What bothers me is that Capcom clearly don't know shit on how to properly organise a roster and slowly but surely people such as myself are getting sick of it. Vega's reveal for today, for example, has been extremely mixed. Flicking through the reveal thread the comments are split at about 60% pleased at another World Warrior returning and about 40% pissed that another World Warrior was returning. Sooner or later the balances are going to switch and more and more people will start wanting more obscure characters back. I'm not just talking about 3rd Strike with this; Alpha, EX, Final Fight and Rival Schools all have decent characters that would fit well within the SF games; Maki, R Mika, Alex, Q, Sean, fuck, even Dean from Final Fight 3 would be hype for me. But yet we still get WW characters and we have another game with the same damn characters. Even Mortal Kombat didn't get this boring with their roster.
All this basically boils down to Capcom being scared shitless after the backlash and loss of interest with SF3. Now they're too goddamn scared to go outside the box they've been stuck in for nearly 30 years. Fuck. What happened to the risks? We don't need another New Generation risk. Even I'll admit that was stupid (although it did give us some great characters). I wish Capcom would add in some Rival Schools characters or throw in a couple of obscure Final Fight characters. THOSE are the risks Capcom should be taking, but they're just too scared in case they get another New Generation backlash so maybe I should just get ready to see the same WW characters until the series eventually crumbles, or maybe I should just accept it. I don't know.
If you read this far, thanks for reading my rambling. Just though I'd post some things off the top of my head. If I got anything wrong or mixed up I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to check anything right now.
Everyone said:
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed because people say this, because their right. The SF2 cast are more recognisable and this is soley because Capcom bring these characters back out game, after game, after game all the time. If your favourite characters are from SF2, that's fine with me, everyone has their favourites. What bothers me is that Capcom clearly don't know shit on how to properly organise a roster and slowly but surely people such as myself are getting sick of it. Vega's reveal for today, for example, has been extremely mixed. Flicking through the reveal thread the comments are split at about 60% pleased at another World Warrior returning and about 40% pissed that another World Warrior was returning. Sooner or later the balances are going to switch and more and more people will start wanting more obscure characters back. I'm not just talking about 3rd Strike with this; Alpha, EX, Final Fight and Rival Schools all have decent characters that would fit well within the SF games; Maki, R Mika, Alex, Q, Sean, fuck, even Dean from Final Fight 3 would be hype for me. But yet we still get WW characters and we have another game with the same damn characters. Even Mortal Kombat didn't get this boring with their roster.
All this basically boils down to Capcom being scared shitless after the backlash and loss of interest with SF3. Now they're too goddamn scared to go outside the box they've been stuck in for nearly 30 years. Fuck. What happened to the risks? We don't need another New Generation risk. Even I'll admit that was stupid (although it did give us some great characters). I wish Capcom would add in some Rival Schools characters or throw in a couple of obscure Final Fight characters. THOSE are the risks Capcom should be taking, but they're just too scared in case they get another New Generation backlash so maybe I should just get ready to see the same WW characters until the series eventually crumbles, or maybe I should just accept it. I don't know.
If you read this far, thanks for reading my rambling. Just though I'd post some things off the top of my head. If I got anything wrong or mixed up I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to check anything right now.
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