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[Arc Christelle]

That thread title. Glorious.

Also Don't be hating on Babyfaced Claw! Although he usually does have a longer slender yet defined face.

This maybe the reason he was infatuated with Cammy in Alpha lol. Another doll face in the light of his narcissism.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I still believe in the Juri hype. She'll be revealed eventually. The next known female character reveal is in October.

Its like asking why are Scorpion,SubZero, Raiden,Liu Kang,Reptile ...etc (OG MK1) characters in every MK game. Or why Kazuya,paul,king..etc are in every Tekken.

Kano, Sonya weren't in MK2

Raiden, Johnny Cage, Scorpion weren't in MK3

Kano wasn't in MK4

Liu Kang wasn't in Deadly Alliance

Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kano weren't in Deception

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Also Don't be hating on Babyfaced Claw

Some art designer missed the memo, cuz he's supposed to BE a babyface, not HAVE a baby's face.

 

[Shadoken]

He's saying that the flood of sf2 rehashes (not necessarily the cast) were what killed sf, but everyone blames sf3 for being too different in a sea of slightly different games.

I know , it is unfortunate that SF 3 came out when SF and 2D Fighters was on its decline. But that is precisely why in terms of Character popularity SF 2 > Alpha > SF 3. It has nothing to do with the characters themselves but its just how it is.

SF 5 has half SF 2 characters for a safety measure and the other half are all brand new or very different returning characters.

Actually, A3 sales on Dreamcast were comparable to SF3's sales on Dreamcast.
This is evidence that SF3 might have sold almost as well, if not as well as A3 on PS1 (if PS1 could handle it).

Yes.. And if SF 3 came out on the SNES back in the day it would have sold as much as SF 2. SF 3 didnt "cause" the decline , but it came out when SF was on the decline and its weird roster didn't help . So obviously its characters are going to be the least recognizable/popular among the casual fanbase.

Sales figures in Japan.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...cs-showing-decline-japan-fighting-game-sales/


Japanese Sales Numbers

PS1 - Era

Alpha 1 Saturn/PS1 - 600k
Alpha 2 Saturn/PS1/SNES - 900k
Alpha 3 PS1/DC - 500k


DC/PS2 Era

SF 3 DC - 29k
Third Strike DC/PS2 - 107k

MvC2 DC - 150k ( US sales would have been waaay more , because Mahvel )
Capcom Vs SNK DC - 200k
SF EX 3 PS2 - 180k
CVS2 DC/PS2/XB/GC - 420k


I still dont know how Alpha 2 couldn't reach 1 million worldwide lmao. But as you can see , 3S wasnt the only thing plagued by decline . It sold much worse compared to other titles despite being on two platforms. fking EX 3 outsold it.

Raiden, Johnny Cage, Scorpion weren't in MK3

Kano wasn't in MK4

Liu Kang wasn't in Deadly Alliance
Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kano weren't in Deception

Lmao You know what I mean , and yea Am sure there have been exceptions with SF 2 characters like Honda,Balrog,Sim and Blanka or someone missing out on a few occasions

 

[Reset]

Capcom pls.

Come on man! There's nothing wrong with their faces!1!!1 It's an improvement/upgrade.

))

 

[Arc Christelle]

Some art designer missed the memo, cuz he's supposed to BE a babyface, not HAVE a baby's face.

Ha Ha! -points-

 

[ElTopo]

Their faces remind me of Clayfighter.

 

[Renekton]

SF2 characters will easily outsell SF3 characters. That's the whole reason why SF2 characters should be DLC. Everyone's going to buy them.

They have to sell the base game 1st though.

People might not buy the base game if initial roster is loaded with likes of Q, Oro, Remy, Necro and Twelve.

 

[Fraeon]

With Ryu, Ken, Chun and Bison they'd have had a nice core cast to build new characters on. Nash is fine, Necalli is kind of boring but I'll try him for a bit.

What I'm saying is, instead of remaking old characters, they should be concentrating more on the new cast. People will still play it.

 

[Amedo310]

Oh, Vega's blonde in this game. Took me a long time to figure out what was off about him. Kinda like how Geese Howard had eyebrows in his KOF XI character selection profile.

 

[vg260]

They have to sell the base game 1st though.

People might not buy the base game if initial roster is loaded with likes of Q, Oro, Remy, Necro and Twelve.

Yes, especially with a small roster. Half being iconic classics fits the bill in his case.

 

[joe2187]

Oh, Vega's blonde in this game. Took me a long time to figure out what was off about him. Kinda like how Geese Howard had eyebrows in his KOF XI character selection profile.

70% of the cast is blonde right now.

 

[m_shortpants]

I must say the characters do look like action figures, if that's the look they're going for.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

Am sorry but WHAT?

See below:

He's saying that the flood of sf2 rehashes (not necessarily the cast) were what killed sf, but everyone blames sf3 for being too different in a sea of slightly different games.

This^^^

It sold much worse compared to other titles despite being on two platforms. fking EX 3 outsold it.

"On two platforms"? Lol, one platform was a dead console (and it wasn't even a timely release), the other was 7 years after it debuted. You compare that to SFEX3...a PS2 launch title. Gee, which do you think has a better chance at selling well?

All this is proving is that SF3 roster didn't kill anything. The circumstances of the game's release were more at fault than anything.


NOW, in 2015, a lot more people are familiar with the SF3 series and its characters. SF3 characters have been in numerous million selling titles. SSF4, AE, SFxT...probably USF4 soon, if not already. The record breaking EVO stream featured a SF3 character doing work. We have official Capcom polls that place SF3 characters high on the list. And, I don't need to even mention Japan FGC's undying love for this game.

Anyone who says "SF3 characters aren't popular enough" or that "SF3 characters still need to defer to SF2 characters" is still living in 1997.

Especially amidst casual criticisms that SF5 is looking too much like SF4.

 

[sixteen-bit]

dat thread title change.

so siliconera aint knowing shit?

 

[direct_quote]

dat thread title change.

so siliconera aint knowing shit?

Well there's no deconfirmation that Mika and Karin aren't in, but it looks like Capcom is selecting more SF2 characters than people thought... Also it could be possible that siliconera rumor was from one of the fake leak lists, don't know though..

And if those color divides for the 16 character slots mean anything, I assume that left is returning SF4 characters and right is characters not seen in SF4.. So Maybe Urien and Alex? There are already 2 characters returning from Alpha who weren't in SF4 so I doubt they'd add 2 more (Karin and R.Mika) .... All speculation though.

If R.Mika and Karin aren't added, SF5 will have a pretty high percentage of males to females.. I at least expect Juri as a returning SF4 character, and 1-2 new female characters. Anyone remember the ratio of male to female characters in vanilla SF4?

 

[kirblar]

I must say the characters do look like action figures, if that's the look they're going for.

It's definitely the look they're going for- SF4 was the same way.

 

[Geminosity]

dat thread title change.

so siliconera aint knowing shit?

They could reveal 4 more characters without any of the Siliconera characters and it still wouldn't be disproven. All they said was we were getting those four as playable characters. No timescale was given or promise of them being in the core roster, sadly :/

 

[direct_quote]

They could reveal 4 more characters without any of the Siliconera characters and it still wouldn't be disproven. All they said was we were getting those four as playable characters. No timescale was given or promise of them being in the core roster, sadly :/

Well it's a pretty easy rumor to keep around until we get above 12 characters revealed (or more vets revealed with only new characters left).. But I don't think Capcom would resurrect 4 characters from Street Fighter Alpha and leave SF3 with no characters in the initial roster. But you never know... With all that being said I do think Vega is an odd inclusion.

 

[Gartooth]

The Siliconera rumors didn't make much sense anyway since it flew in the face of the released color-coded roster. The green part was considered either SF2 or SF4 characters, ergo it didn't make sense to believe that Karin, R. Mika, Alex, and Urien would all be in at launch.

I'm starting to wonder if the blue section is solely for Alpha characters now.

 

[Momentary]

They could reveal 4 more characters without any of the Siliconera characters and it still wouldn't be disproven. All they said was we were getting those four as playable characters. No timescale was given or promise of them being in the core roster, sadly :/

I guess that's a good way to cover your ass.

 

[Lulubop]

The Siliconera rumors didn't make much sense anyway since it flew in the face of the released color-coded roster. The green part was considered either SF2 or SF4 characters, ergo it didn't make sense to believe that Karin, R. Mika, Alex, and Urien would all be in at launch.

I'm starting to wonder if the blue section is solely for Alpha characters now.

The Silliconera rumor was way before capcom released that slide and since that slide and we've been discussing in this very thread for like 50 pages the meaning of the Green circles. I mean the obvious answers are SF2 or SF4, but some people have come out with interesting ways into how make the rumored 4 work.

 

[Geminosity]

Well it's a pretty easy rumor to keep around until we get above 12 characters revealed (or more vets revealed with only new characters left).. But I don't think Capcom would resurrect 4 characters from Street Fighter Alpha and leave SF3 with no characters in the initial roster. But you never know... With all that being said I do think Vega is an odd inclusion.

I'd argue that Birdie is an odd inclusion considering he was almost at the bottom of the popularity poll but apparently making him fat and bringing him back is their solution to that

The Siliconera rumors didn't make much sense anyway since it flew in the face of the released color-coded roster. The green part was considered either SF2 or SF4 characters, ergo it didn't make sense to believe that Karin, R. Mika, Alex, and Urien would all be in at launch.

I'm starting to wonder if the blue section is solely for Alpha characters now.

Yeah, I've seen the epiphany that the section with Birdie and Charlie might just be alpha slowly taking root in various places. It's an interesting thought and if true would mean that we're probably looking at SF3 peeps as DLC.

I guess that's a good way to cover your ass.

Yeah, as far as rumours go it's a surprisingly good way of making it hard to disprove but it also makes the rumour less interesting for much the same reason :/

 

[Hours Left]

A bit late, but, this makes me wonder if you actually played the game, with all the shirtless men, dressed men with shirtless alts or underwear only ults, nude male final boss and nude Ash and Saiki in story mode! Yet you think the game lacks male fanservice because no AoF male's cloths get ripped off when they lose?!

Hell, even with custom colors, for the little time I tried to play the game online thanks to the awful netcode, there was a nice balance between nude Raiden and bottomless Yuri.

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To think about it, the bad netcode might have been a blessing in disguise. ;p

Not everything has to be 1:1 long as there's no obvious bias.

I did play the game, and of course there's a bias, which is obvious in the fact that Yuri and King's tops rip off.

How it's presented plays a huge role in fanservice. I didn't say there was no male fanservice at all, but please don't try to tell me that fighting games are known for their balanced offering of fanservice. I just want it to be even, or at least see that an effort is being made. I don't think you can refute that most companies still have a long way to go in that regard. I'm not advocating any sort of lockdown on cheesecake.

 

[Rean]

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[Valnen]

Come on man! There's nothing wrong with their faces!1!!1 It's an improvement/upgrade.

))

Hey, they gotta sell skin packs down the line somehow.

 

["God's Beard!"]

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To be fair, Vega is based on Dio.

 

[Gartooth]

The Silliconera rumor was way before capcom released that slide and since that slide and we've been discussing in this very thread for like 50 pages the meaning of the Green circles. I mean the obvious answers are SF2 or SF4, but some people have come out with interesting ways into how make the rumored 4 work.

True, I was just curious why people didn't question it more after EVO. The only theory that logically worked was if green was for all numbered Street Fighters so that Juri, Alex, and Urien could be included there with Karin and R. Mika in the Alpha section. (Birdie being in SF1 contradicts that but whatever. )

Yeah, I've seen the epiphany that the section with Birdie and Charlie might just be alpha slowly taking root in various places. It's an interesting thought and if true would mean that we're probably looking at SF3 peeps as DLC.

If it is the Alpha section then that might also imply that Alpha characters from SF4 may fit there as well. Granted, it wouldn't be as exciting as seeing the last few Alpha characters back. (Karin/R. Mika/Sodom)

 

[Emperor Bohe]

i'm not surprised that Vega ended up in the game tbh now that I think of it... he does have a very unique playstyle

I still believe in the Juri hype. She'll be revealed eventually. The next known female character reveal is in October.



Kano, Sonya weren't in MK2

Raiden, Johnny Cage, Scorpion weren't in MK3

Kano wasn't in MK4

Liu Kang wasn't in Deadly Alliance

Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kano weren't in Deception

not to mention that Kazuya also wasn't in Tekken 3 =P

 

[kirblar]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";174022113]To be fair, Vega is based on Dio.[/QUOTE]
I'm actively hoping they actually do a Stand character in SF5.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Wow...lot of discussion about who's in. I think everyone will be satisfied in the end. Capcom stated they want everyone to play differently. So just think of the most diverse characters without too many repeats and I can't see majority of ppl not being content. Maining shotos, guess I've never been bothered with the cast.

 

[Geminosity]

True, I was just curious why people didn't question it more after EVO. The only theory that logically worked was if green was for all numbered Street Fighters so that Juri, Alex, and Urien could be included there with Karin and R. Mika in the Alpha section. (Birdie being in SF1 contradicts that but whatever. )



If it is the Alpha section then that might also imply that Alpha characters from SF4 may fit there as well. Granted, it wouldn't be as exciting as seeing the last few Alpha characters back. (Karin/R. Mika/Sodom)

I'm still hoping for Karin and Mika to be on the core roster: I don't want to have to wait for DLC to play Mika and I'm as clueless as anyone else on Karin.

As long as the next reveal isn't one of the remaining three new characters then I suspect it might hopefully shed some light on where they're going with the core lot :3

 

[Lulubop]

I really think KAL2006 nailed it.

Sim, Fei for the remaining green, and Juri/Urien for the Blue.

I think there's a good chance TGS will have two reveals. I guess we'll know then. I don't think they'll show two new characters.

I don't mind the roster but I'd be pretty sad if Alex misses the cut again.

 

[princemarth23]

I really liked the popular rumored roster so this announcement kind of shattered my dreams. I just hope Alex and/or Karin get in at this point.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I'm actively hoping they actually do a Stand character in SF5.

The problem with Stands in a game where not every character has Stands or without extremely powerful general mechanics is that it fundamentally breaks the risk/reward ratio of a character's move set. Stands fundamentally are just fireballs without startup or recovery frames, or more malleable assists.

That's why most games that have puppet characters as a unique thing tend to have pretty weak movesets or some sort of limitation. Carl in BB is pretty weak compared to a Jojo's character and you have to really work to make Zatoichi in GG resemble the power of a Stand character. That said, ASW finally got pretty close with Koromaru in P4A2, who then went on to win EVO.

 

[vg260]

I really think KAL2006 nailed it.

Sim, Fei for the remaining green, and Juri/Urien for the Blue.

I think there's a good chance TGS will have two reveals. I guess we'll know then. I don't think they'll show two new characters.

I don't mind the roster but I'd be pretty sad if Alex misses the cut again.

No way Fei Long is getting in the initial 16. Not popular or iconic enough. Maybe Dhalsim. Maybe.

Guile's been searching for Nash for ages, and now he's back and alive, and Guile's gonna sit this one out? No way. Does anyone think they can let that pass?

I get a lot of people aren't fans of Guile, but with any semblance of story, it makes no sense to leave him out.

 

[direct_quote]

No way Fei Long is getting in the initial 16. Not popular or iconic enough. Maybe Dhalsim. Maybe.

Guile's been searching for Nash for ages, and now he's back and alive, and Guile's gonna sit this one out? No way. Does anyone think they can let that pass?

I get a lot of people aren't fans of Guile, but with any semblance of story, it makes no sense to leave him out.

Yah Guile will be in, either in dlc or initial roster.. I personally think the left box is returning SF4 characters, so Guile and Juri. Blue box is people not in SF4, so with 2 slots remaining will be SF3 people. And because Alex and Urien are relevant to the story it will be them. Karin and Mika if they are in will be saved for dlc.

edit: It'd be cool if we had a competition to see who could pick the remaining SF5 roster not including the new recruits (or maybe including some things you think they will be like)..

 

[Mike M]

Even if they play nothing alike anymore, I have a difficult time justifying Guile in the initial line up when we have Nash. One weird-haired sonic boomer is enough to start with. Guile can feature into the story, he doesn't need to be starting lineup for it.

 

[vg260]

Only way I could not see Guile being in the initial 16 would be as some sort of pre-order DLC or he very first DLC, but then it wouldn't make sense if he played a part in the story, but was optional, so I see that as highly unlikely.

He's pretty much the only character, I'd put money on. I think it's totally grab-bag after him.

 

[Shadoken]

Only way I could not see Guile being in the initial 16 would be as some sort of pre-order DLC or he very first DLC, but then it wouldn't make sense if he played a part in the story, but was optional, so I see that as highly unlikely.

He's pretty much the only character, I'd put money on. I think it's totally grab-bag after him.

That means you should throw him into the de-confirmed list.

Next week outta nowhere , Remy trailer for SF V. I can also imagine the salt if he ends up being the SF3 rep.

 

[kodecraft]

My main from the Alpha series is in...Nash, but I seriously hope my other main Cody is in. This time without the cuffs. Let's get back to Metro City hero status baby!

 

[direct_quote]

That means you should throw him into the de-confirmed list.

Next week outta nowhere , Remy trailer for SF V. I can also imagine the salt if he ends up being the SF3 rep.

You're just salty that Guy won't be in this game forever

Spoiler

me too

 

[k4n3]

am i the only one a little disappointing knowing half the cast is going to be SF2 characters .... i know thats the core of the roster but with such a limited selection i was hoping for a little more diversity out of the gate with the old guys to come as DLC for those who want to go back to old mains

 

[Lulubop]

No way Fei Long is getting in the initial 16. Not popular or iconic enough. Maybe Dhalsim. Maybe.

Guile's been searching for Nash for ages, and now he's back and alive, and Guile's gonna sit this one out? No way. Does anyone think they can let that pass?

I get a lot of people aren't fans of Guile, but with any semblance of story, it makes no sense to leave him out.

I think Fei is in because of Rekka's and I think Juri will be in over Karin leaving the remaining Blue spot to Urien.

 

[Doosi]

Wtf is up with ken's tan? I hope it's the lighting

 

[Stone Ocean]

am i the only one a little disappointing knowing half the cast is going to be SF2 characters .... i know thats the core of the roster but with such a limited selection i was hoping for a little more diversity out of the gate with the old guys to come as DLC for those who want to go back to old mains

I'll be a bit bummed if it turns out to be the case but at least most SF2 vets look fresh with some cool new stuff so I'll get over it quickly

 

[Doosi]

Btw does anyone know the commands for the supers?

 

[OmegaSmash]

My roster pic theory was that Green was for returning characters that haven't been completely overhauled, Blue for revamped vets, and purple for newcomers. Vega likely killed that off.

I think Fei is in because of Rekka's and I think Juri will be in over Karin leaving the remaining Blue spot to Urien.

Karin > Fei as a rekka character though. Juri should be a Green character since she already has a V-Trigger (FSE), V-Reversal (her teleport counter), and V-Skill (fireball hold, maybe). There's no real reason to rework her dramatically.

 

[Lulubop]

My roster pic theory was that Green was for returning characters that haven't been completely overhauled, Blue for revamped vets, and purple for newcomers. Vega likely killed that off.



Karin > Fei as a rekka character though. Juri should be a Green character since she already has a V-Trigger (FSE), V-Reversal (her teleport counter), and V-Skill (fireball hold, maybe). There's no real reason to rework her dramatically.

but green character can just mean sf2 characters, like they have meant so far. Vega reinforces this is the point.

 

[ShinMaruku]

When we so no Karen and Mika, I want you to know I have claimed this.