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Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER

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Guys, we technically got a Gamescom reveal. xD

Yea Birdie is a bit extreme , we might get at best 1 or 2 more birdie-tier moments. But Vega is still a pretty unexpected reveal.

But who would be those characters? We will never know. Till much later of course. Yes, he was unexpected. But I'm completely fine with it, he's actually one of my favorite charge characters.

Although, I don't use him. Lol
 

Hex

Banned
The one thing that annoys me more than anything is when people say;



Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed because people say this, because their right. The SF2 cast are more recognisable and this is soley because Capcom bring these characters back out game, after game, after game all the time. If your favourite characters are from SF2, that's fine with me, everyone has their favourites. What bothers me is that Capcom clearly don't know shit on how to properly organise a roster and slowly but surely people such as myself are getting sick of it. Vega's reveal for today, for example, has been extremely mixed. Flicking through the reveal thread the comments are split at about 60% pleased at another World Warrior returning and about 40% pissed that another World Warrior was returning. Sooner or later the balances are going to switch and more and more people will start wanting more obscure characters back. I'm not just talking about 3rd Strike with this; Alpha, EX, Final Fight and Rival Schools all have decent characters that would fit well within the SF games; Maki, R Mika, Alex, Q, Sean, fuck, even Dean from Final Fight 3 would be hype for me. But yet we still get WW characters and we have another game with the same damn characters. Even Mortal Kombat didn't get this boring with their roster.

All this basically boils down to Capcom being scared shitless after the backlash and loss of interest with SF3. Now they're too goddamn scared to go outside the box they've been stuck in for nearly 30 years. Fuck. What happened to the risks? We don't need another New Generation risk. Even I'll admit that was stupid (although it did give us some great characters). I wish Capcom would add in some Rival Schools characters or throw in a couple of obscure Final Fight characters. THOSE are the risks Capcom should be taking, but they're just too scared in case they get another New Generation backlash so maybe I should just get ready to see the same WW characters until the series eventually crumbles, or maybe I should just accept it. I don't know.

If you read this far, thanks for reading my rambling. Just though I'd post some things off the top of my head. If I got anything wrong or mixed up I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to check anything right now.


The problem is, that most of the bad reactions are because that person's person did not get picked instead.
It does not matter who the fuck was announced, there would be people not happy.
People want this character or that character and they know that space is limited.
IT is lose lose for Capcom so they are playing the numbers, and I for one am loving everything about it so far.
Yes I know that at least one or two of mine will not make it in, but I also know that this game will have alot of additions in the coming years.
 

hitsugi

Member
Karin is one of those characters I throw out there but assume won't make it in to another game.

Alex, on the other hand, everyone throws out there and expects to make it in to every game. I would imagine a character with that kind of clout will be revealed as late as possible.
 
I disagree that V is playing it safe, rosterwise. While yes, half of the roster seems to be SF2 and I'd rather have them mix it up with older characters, the revealed characters from the other half of the roster so far are:

- Frankenstein superpowered Charlie
- Birdie with total redesign/fast food power
- Feral wildman with multiple personalities tied to his super saiyan transformation

Playing it safe with half the roster allows them to go fucking nuts with the other half. Whether they keep it up remains to be seen, but I think it's a fair tradeoff and isn't a move as extreme as SF3's near complete change of roster
 

KAL2006

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I disagree that V is playing it safe, rosterwise. While yes, half of the roster seems to be SF2 and I'd rather have them mix it up with older characters, the revealed characters from the other half of the roster so far are:

- Frankenstein superpowered Charlie
- Birdie with total redesign/fast food power
- Feral wildman with multiple personalities tied to his super saiyan transformation

Playing it safe with half the roster allows them to go fucking nuts with the other half. Whether they keep it up remains to be seen, but I think it's a fair tradeoff and isn't a move as extreme as SF3's near complete change of roster

Also keep in mind they have changed a lot of things up with Bison and Ken. Even Vega seems different from the trailer. Only Cammy, Ryu and Chunli are pretty much standard. But even then the V Trigger diffeeenciares them for example Ryu's Denjin Trigger.
 
The one thing that annoys me more than anything is when people say;



Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed because people say this, because their right. The SF2 cast are more recognisable and this is soley because Capcom bring these characters back out game, after game, after game all the time. If your favourite characters are from SF2, that's fine with me, everyone has their favourites. What bothers me is that Capcom clearly don't know shit on how to properly organise a roster and slowly but surely people such as myself are getting sick of it. Vega's reveal for today, for example, has been extremely mixed. Flicking through the reveal thread the comments are split at about 60% pleased at another World Warrior returning and about 40% pissed that another World Warrior was returning. Sooner or later the balances are going to switch and more and more people will start wanting more obscure characters back. I'm not just talking about 3rd Strike with this; Alpha, EX, Final Fight and Rival Schools all have decent characters that would fit well within the SF games; Maki, R Mika, Alex, Q, Sean, fuck, even Dean from Final Fight 3 would be hype for me. But yet we still get WW characters and we have another game with the same damn characters. Even Mortal Kombat didn't get this boring with their roster.

All this basically boils down to Capcom being scared shitless after the backlash and loss of interest with SF3. Now they're too goddamn scared to go outside the box they've been stuck in for nearly 30 years. Fuck. What happened to the risks? We don't need another New Generation risk. Even I'll admit that was stupid (although it did give us some great characters). I wish Capcom would add in some Rival Schools characters or throw in a couple of obscure Final Fight characters. THOSE are the risks Capcom should be taking, but they're just too scared in case they get another New Generation backlash so maybe I should just get ready to see the same WW characters until the series eventually crumbles, or maybe I should just accept it. I don't know.

If you read this far, thanks for reading my rambling. Just though I'd post some things off the top of my head. If I got anything wrong or mixed up I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to check anything right now.

I don't think Capcom is in a position to be taking too many risks.
 

Scotia

Banned
I disagree that V is playing it safe, rosterwise. While yes, half of the roster seems to be SF2 and I'd rather have them mix it up with older characters, the revealed characters from the other half of the roster so far are:

- Frankenstein superpowered Charlie
- Birdie with total makeover/fast food power
- Feral wildman with multiple personalities tied to his super saiyan transformation

Playing it safe with half the roster allows them to go fucking nuts with the other half. Whether they keep it up remains to be seen, but I think it's a fair tradeoff and isn't a move as extreme as SF3's near complete change of roster

- Birdie looks almost the same with a few changes there and he's now a bit fatter. Hardly a 'total makeover'
- I'm sorry, but new characters don't mix up the roster. They're a blank canvas and have never appeared before so they can't be a risk. Besides, I'm talking about returning characters
- I agree with Nash being different and at the moment he's the only diverse (choice-wise) character on the roster

Capcom can change character designs as much as they want. Ken is still Ken, no matter what he wears. Alex could wear a leotard and tiara and he would still be Alex. Changing how a character looks isn't a roster risk, it's a character risk.
 
here's my random shot in the dark:
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the "SF3/SF4" might also be sliced in half for 2 more SF2 characters, we'll see...
 

Shadoken

Member
The one thing that annoys me more than anything is when people say;



Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed because people say this, because their right. The SF2 cast are more recognisable and this is soley because Capcom bring these characters back out game, after game, after game all the time. If your favourite characters are from SF2, that's fine with me, everyone has their favourites. What bothers me is that Capcom clearly don't know shit on how to properly organise a roster and slowly but surely people such as myself are getting sick of it. Vega's reveal for today, for example, has been extremely mixed. Flicking through the reveal thread the comments are split at about 60% pleased at another World Warrior returning and about 40% pissed that another World Warrior was returning. Sooner or later the balances are going to switch and more and more people will start wanting more obscure characters back. I'm not just talking about 3rd Strike with this; Alpha, EX, Final Fight and Rival Schools all have decent characters that would fit well within the SF games; Maki, R Mika, Alex, Q, Sean, fuck, even Dean from Final Fight 3 would be hype for me. But yet we still get WW characters and we have another game with the same damn characters. Even Mortal Kombat didn't get this boring with their roster.

All this basically boils down to Capcom being scared shitless after the backlash and loss of interest with SF3. Now they're too goddamn scared to go outside the box they've been stuck in for nearly 30 years. Fuck. What happened to the risks? We don't need another New Generation risk. Even I'll admit that was stupid (although it did give us some great characters). I wish Capcom would add in some Rival Schools characters or throw in a couple of obscure Final Fight characters. THOSE are the risks Capcom should be taking, but they're just too scared in case they get another New Generation backlash so maybe I should just get ready to see the same WW characters until the series eventually crumbles, or maybe I should just accept it. I don't know.

If you read this far, thanks for reading my rambling. Just though I'd post some things off the top of my head. If I got anything wrong or mixed up I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to check anything right now.

Even when people say SF2 is the most popular. Its not necessary that they like them or that they are major SF2 fans. Everyone here is trying to make an educated guess and based on financial stats SF2 has been the most successful over the years.


We have games like SF 2 HDR , Final Fight HDR , and Third Strike Online and a bunch of Alpha release over the years Capcom knows EXACTLY how popular each series is.

If they are bringing in more SF2 characters AFTER all these releases then clearly have enough information to determine which series are the most popular.


If 3S : OE blew HDR in terms of sales , you can bet your ass Capcom would have shoved in an equal amount of 3S characters. Capcom are currently in a pretty bad financial state , looking at their info based on both mainstream and hardcore appeal they are trying to bring in the roster.




Mortal Kombat is a completely different arguement , The obscure characters in those games are character nobody wants ever. Everyone always clamors over OG cast , so they just keep adding them over and over again and add new characters. It doesnt have the same wide range like SF has had.
 
- Birdie looks almost the same with a few changes there and he's now a bit fatter. Hardly a 'total makeover'
- I'm sorry, but new characters don't mix up the roster. They're a blank canvas and have never appeared before so they can't be a risk. Besides, I'm talking about returning characters
- I agree with Nash being different and at the moment he's the only diverse (choice-wise) character on the roster

Capcom can change character designs as much as they want. Ken is still Ken, no matter what he wears. Alex could a leotard and tiara and he would still be Alex. Changing how a character looks isn't a roster risk, it's a character risk.

You just sound salty as fuck lol.
 
- Birdie looks almost the same with a few changes there and he's now a bit fatter. Hardly a 'total makeover'
- I'm sorry, but new characters don't mix up the roster. They're a blank canvas and have never appeared before so they can't be a risk. Besides, I'm talking about returning characters
- I agree with Nash being different and at the moment he's the only diverse (choice-wise) character on the roster
Yeah I changed the wording from "total makeover" shortly after posting, though maybe even "redesign" is pushing it....reworking? whatever

How do new characters not mix up the roster? You're saying you want them to not play it safe, reworking/redesigning old characters and making new ones unlike anything in the series before doesn't count?

I expect (and hope for) more throwbacks to characters from older Capcom games in the form of DLC (Morrigan for instance, I think she'd be nuts with V-Trigger and it's not like Darkstalkers is happening)
 
Even Mortal Kombat didn't get this boring with their roster.

I don't know about that. They had a lot of returning characters. Even had Spoilers
non canon version of dead staple characters so they could be playable normally and not have it conflict with the story
Also, what made Mortal Kombat X interesting is that they put the new characters in the forefront. What you're asking for aren't new characters. You're asking for old characters that didn't have enough individual priority to be in SF4, the game with the biggest roster in the franchise.

All this basically boils down to Capcom being scared shitless after the backlash and loss of interest with SF3.

That is true to some extent. It's why they keep remixing the same sf2 character themes instead of making new ones like they used to do, for better or for worse.
 
It's cause I probably am. I still stand by what I said though. If you disagree, oh well.

You/re just coming off as an entitled brat thats upset that you don't get your way. The world doesn't revolve around you. We don't even know the whole roster yet. On top of that this is nowhere near the complete roster so just fucking chill and stop acting like a child.
 

Skilletor

Member
- Birdie looks almost the same with a few changes there and he's now a bit fatter. Hardly a 'total makeover'
- I'm sorry, but new characters don't mix up the roster. They're a blank canvas and have never appeared before so they can't be a risk. Besides, I'm talking about returning characters
- I agree with Nash being different and at the moment he's the only diverse (choice-wise) character on the roster

Capcom can change character designs as much as they want. Ken is still Ken, no matter what he wears. Alex could wear a leotard and tiara and he would still be Alex. Changing how a character looks isn't a roster risk, it's a character risk.

Sounds like somebody never played birdie before.
 

Scotia

Banned
I don't know about that. They had a lot of returning characters. Even had Spoilers
non canon version of dead staple characters so they could be playable normally and not have it conflict with the story
Also, what made Mortal Kombat X interesting is that they put the new characters in the forefront. What you're asking for aren't new characters. You're asking for old characters that didn't have enough individual priority to be in SF4, the game with the biggest roster in the franchise.



That is true to some extent. It's why they keep remixing the same sf2 character themes instead of making new ones like they used to do, for better or for worse.

You're right about MKX although I guess I was referring to previous games like Deception and Deadly Alliance.
 

Scotia

Banned
You/re just coming off as an entitled brat thats upset that you don't get your way. The world doesn't revolve around you. We don't even know the whole roster yet. On top of that this is nowhere near the complete roster so just fucking chill and stop acting like a child.

That was unnecessarily hostile. I'm just stating my personal feelings and opinions. If I came across as childish it surely wasn't my intention.
 

Dubz

Member
Capcom giving the people what they want. When I say people, I'm not referring to the one percent in the FGC, I'm talking about Joe gamer.


Joe gamer wants to flow chart with Ryu and Ken, and by God Capcom is going to let them.
 

notworksafe

Member
Capcom giving the people what they want. When I say people, I'm not referring to the one percent in the FGC, I'm talking about Joe gamer.


Joe gamer wants to flow chart with Ryu and Ken, and by God Capcom is going to let them.

This is why I feel the initial roster is going to be pretty safe and the niche/FGC favorites will be DLC.
 
Just thinking, but if Capcom are serious about characters that nobody expects to come back all they'd have to do is bring back Ingrid. I don't think even Ingrid fans realistically expect her to ever return ;P

Capcom giving the people what they want. When I say people, I'm not referring to the one percent in the FGC, I'm talking about Joe gamer.


Joe gamer wants to flow chart with Ryu and Ken, and by God Capcom is going to let them.
You're probably right. I saw someone post in the vega reveal thread saying they weren't really a fighting game person but all the character reveal vids were tempting them back for SFV. I assume Capcom is doing it with some level of market research and whatnot behind them rather than just pulling them out of a hat after all :3
 
People are talking like SF3's roster was a "huge risk" that scared people away from SF...

This is revisionist history that doesn't take the environment of SF3's release into account.

Like I said before, in the time between SF2 and SF3, LOTS of Street Fighter related games were released. And, all of those games repped the SF2 cast very well.

We had 5 versions of SF2. We had 2 versions of SFA which had lots of SF2 characters. We had SF The Movie, which had lots of SF2 characters. We had SFEX, which had lots of SF2 characters. We had the VS games which had lots of SF2 characters.

The franchise was already being run into the ground in only 6 years, with the same characters showing up over and over. Heck, when SF3 released, SFA3 was already in production...with, you guessed it, EVEN MORE SF2 characters.

All of these SF2-heavy games came out, and they weren't exactly selling like hot cakes anymore at the time. What makes you all think that if SF3 were filled with SF2 classics, it would have performed much better than those other games? SFA3 barely managed to sell a million...and that's because it was released on a popular console, the PS1 (SF3 didn't even get a true console release, so it never got a chance to sell anything).

SF3 is the popular scapegoat, but it really had little to do with the temporary disappearance of the series. The 6 year flood of pre-SF3 games did much more damage. If you were Capcom at the time, you would have shaken up the roster, too...because what else could you do? Release ANOTHER SF2-like game?
 
This pic show to me they are now in "we need to hurry and finish this" mode. The quality in Ryu's face compared to Ken's is insane.
Yes, a character that was revealed three weeks ago for a game that is at least 8 months away from release shows that they are rushing the game
 
Capcom giving the people what they want. When I say people, I'm not referring to the one percent in the FGC, I'm talking about Joe gamer.

Joe gamer wants to flow chart with Ryu and Ken, and by God Capcom is going to let them.

You should actually try reading what "Joe Gamer" has been saying on mainstream sites like Gamespot, Youtube, etc. since SF5 debuted.

A lot of casuals were saying that SF5 looks too similar to SF4.

A good way to prove them right is to fill the game with SF2 characters...just like SF4 did.
 

Scotia

Banned
People are talking like SF3's roster was a "huge risk" that scared people away from SF...

This is revisionist history that doesn't take the environment of SF3's release into account.

Like I said before, in the time between SF2 and SF3, LOTS of Street Fighter related games were released. And, all of those games repped the SF2 cast very well.

We had 5 versions of SF2. We had 2 versions of SFA which had lots of SF2 characters. We had SF The Movie, which had lots of SF2 characters. We had SFEX, which had lots of SF2 characters. We had the VS games which had lots of SF2 characters.

The franchise was already being run into the ground in only 6 years, with the same characters showing up over and over. Heck, when SF3 released, SFA3 was already in production...with, you guessed it, EVEN MORE SF2 characters.

All of these SF2-heavy games came out, and they weren't exactly selling like hot cakes anymore at the time. What makes you all think that if SF3 were filled with SF2 classics, it would have performed much better than those other games? SFA3 barely managed to sell a million...and that's because it was released on a popular console, the PS1 (SF3 didn't even get a true console release, so it never got a chance to sell anything).

SF3 is the popular scapegoat, but it really had little to do with the temporary disappearance of the series. The 6 year flood of pre-SF3 games did much more damage. If you were Capcom at the time, you would have shaken up the roster, too...because what else could you do? Release ANOTHER SF2-like game?

Hhhmmmm, I never knew this. It raises the question as to why Capcom are reluctant to bring back SF3 characters if it was never their fault technially. Did Capcom just decide to blame NG to or did they just get confused as to which game bombed at which point?
 

Bob White

Member
Yes, a character that was revealed three weeks ago for a game that is at least 8 months away from release shows that they are rushing the game

Ummm, just because they have time doesn't mean they can use it all on one character. They need to be finishing and moving on to the next. Ryu and Chun probably had the luxury of a long ass time in the oven while Ken and Vega show the opposite.

I mean just look at them.

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Capcom pls.

This
 
Ummm, just because they have time doesn't mean they can use it all on one character. They need to be finishing and moving on to the next. Ryu and Chun probably had the luxury of a long ass time in the oven while Ken and Vega show the opposite.

I mean just look at them.

Ryu and Chun-li are the first characters to be worked on of course they would look better than the newer characters that are revealed.
 
Ummm, just because they have time doesn't mean they can use it all on one character. They need to be finishing and moving on to the next. Ryu and Chun probably had the luxury of a long ass time in the oven while Ken and Vega show the opposite.

I mean just look at them.
What does that even mean? Chun's face got changed between the game reveal and the E3 build, why would other characters not get the same visual pass?

Also Claw looks fine
 

Shadoken

Member
People are talking like SF3's roster was a "huge risk" that scared people away from SF...

This is revisionist history that doesn't take the environment of SF3's release into account.

Like I said before, in the time between SF2 and SF3, LOTS of Street Fighter related games were released. And, all of those games repped the SF2 cast very well.

We had 5 versions of SF2. We had 2 versions of SFA which had lots of SF2 characters. We had SF The Movie, which had lots of SF2 characters. We had SFEX, which had lots of SF2 characters. We had the VS games which had lots of SF2 characters.

The franchise was already being run into the ground in only 6 years, with the same characters showing up over and over. Heck, when SF3 released, SFA3 was already in production...with, you guessed it, EVEN MORE SF2 characters.

All of these SF2-heavy games came out, and they weren't exactly selling like hot cakes anymore at the time. What makes you all think that if SF3 were filled with SF2 classics, it would have performed much better than those other games? SFA3 barely managed to sell a million...and that's because it was released on a popular console, the PS1 (SF3 didn't even get a true console release, so it never got a chance to sell anything).

SF3 is the popular scapegoat, but it really had little to do with the temporary disappearance of the series. The 6 year flood of pre-SF3 games did much more damage. If you were Capcom at the time, you would have shaken up the roster, too...because what else could you do? Release ANOTHER SF2-like game?

You make a valid point , but we still have Zero information on how well 3S : OE has performed. Which had none of the issues you mentioned. Namely "popular platforms" or "3D Fighters are the cool shit syndrome". Capcom does , and if they are shoving SF2 again , it means HDR just did that much better.

Also SFA3 did 1m on the PS1 alone. No info on Dreamcast,Saturn and PSP numbers.

Nobody is saying filling up SF3 with SF2 characters would have made it sell millions. Just that there is absolutely no info saying Capcom should fill the roster with Alpha/3S characters over SF2. Capcom have shoved SF2 down everybodys throat over and over again , and hence they are iconic and recognizable. Given Capcoms current financial state , they would want to "play it safe" rather than risk alienating the average joe with an unfamiliar roster.


Again this is all a guess on why Capcom is doing this . If it was up to me I would have wanted an even split between SF2 Vets, SFA Vets , SF3 and Final Fight.
 

Omega

Banned
Hhhmmmm, I never knew this. It raises the question as to why Capcom are reluctant to bring back SF3 characters if it was never their fault technially. Did Capcom just decide to blame NG to or did they just get confused as to which game bombed at which point?

because publishers don't see "flooding the market" as a concept.

They see "what did SFA and SF3 have that SF2 didn't have, then get rid of it because people clearly don't like it"
 

Bob White

Member
What does that even mean? Chun's face got changed between the game reveal and the E3 build, why would other characters not get the same visual pass?

Also Claw looks fine

Because they are in "no time to waste" mode? I mean, that was the point of my first post. Capcom are seeing that their time table probably doesn't give them the luxury of visual passes.

I could be dead fucking wrong but, after seeing Vega's busted ass face today, I'm just kinda adding 2 and 2 together.
 

Raitaro

Member
Question: was there ever any clue for Vega that we might have overlooked or did he really come out of nowhere? Is he one of the characters that got the biggest changes in USFIV's Omega mode perhaps? Did he get a new toy (announced) recently? Anything at all?
 

Vice

Member
Hhhmmmm, I never knew this. It raises the question as to why Capcom are reluctant to bring back SF3 characters if it was never their fault technially. Did Capcom just decide to blame NG to or did they just get confused as to which game bombed at which point?
The SF3 series isn't as popular in a lot of markets Capcom wants to target, is most likely. Even in the U.S. stuff like CvS2 and MvC2 stolena lot of SF3's thunder.
 

kirblar

Member
Until 2009 Street Fighter II was their best selling title ever. SFIII doesn't even chart in the top 64. They keep coming back because they're well known and iconic characters from asuccessful game that pioneered it's genre, instead of weird designs from an unpopular game that nearly killed the series off.
 
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