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World of Warcraft |OT7| Feel the hatred of 10,000 Murlocs

Zelias

Banned
It's not sabotage, lol.
Why make a big deal out of a 'new expansion reveal' livestream only to have the press reveal it beforehand thanks to a (supposedly) non-embargo'd press event?

I mean, if there was an embargo until after the livestream, that would make more sense. But again, if we get the info sooner I guess I don't really care that much. Just puzzled is all.
 

ZenaxPure

Member
The press event may not be about WoW at all, of course.

Edit: Oh, it seems it definitely is. Mamytwink.com have an invite.

What if it's just an event to confirm they are actually working on 6.2.1. Me and my friend are pretty convinced they forgot about it at some point. Been over a month now and they said it would come out weeks later not months.
 

Robin64

Member
6.2.1 is weird. It's running right now on the PTR, but I don't think there's been a new patch there for a while. Like, it seems to be done?
 

ZenaxPure

Member
6.2.1 is weird. It's running right now on the PTR, but I don't think there's been a new patch there for a while. Like, it seems to be done?

See, they forgot about it! Only answer!

Though for real they are probably pretty busy with the xpac announcement so it wouldn't surprise me if it is taking a back seat to things for now. I wish it would come out though, I have a lot of problems with Tanaan but I think my absolute biggest issue is that the zone is too big and too poorly designed for ground travel (why is there is a giant ass fort with a pit of death and invisible walls in the middle of the zone). I want to give it another chance when I can fly.
 

Robin64

Member
I wonder why someone would go to all the effort of stitching together a nice big World of Warcraft map, and then get so many details wrong.

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Lost Isles is incomplete, Isle of Dread shouldn't be there, Isle of Thunder isn't next to Quel'thalas, Hrothgar's Landing is missing, Isle of Giants is missing, Timeless Isle is missing..
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I certainly wouldn't mind playing Dragonkin or Arakkoa. Blizzard isn't doing anything lorewise with Dragonkin right now, correct?
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Lore-wise I think Dragonkin would actually kind of make sense now, too. After Cataclysm dragon's aren't really immortal demi-gods anymore, so sending their rank and file out to join the mortal adventurers could work. They kind of seem above the faction conflict though so I'm not sure how that would be rectified.
 

Weebos

Banned
End bosses in the next expansion will be the Windrunner Trio.

Alleria, Vereesa and Sylvanas.

Believe.

As much as I don't want to lose Sylvanas it would open up some space for some actual Forsaken characters.

I'd like to see a council like the Dwarves have.
 

Robin64

Member
Lilian Voss for Forsaken leader.

Except she died in Scholomance. But surprise not really because she sometimes turns up in my Garrison inn?
 

Entropia

No One Remembers
well shit, apparently info on the new expansion will be out before the actual live reveal.

stupid shit

there goes the surprise

Yeah, just read there's a press event with no NDA. Stupid.

Whoa, what? :O That's good! I'm going to be in an interview when the stream is going on!

End bosses in the next expansion will be the Windrunner Trio.

Alleria, Vereesa and Sylvanas.

Believe.

That'd be... interesting. I really want them to do something substantial with Windrunners, Turalyon, Genn Greymane.

I want Wrathion back too!!
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
As much as I don't want to lose Sylvanas it would open up some space for some actual Forsaken characters.

I'd like to see a council like the Dwarves have.

Lilian Voss for Forsaken leader.

Except she died in Scholomance. But surprise not really because she sometimes turns up in my Garrison inn?

Bring Nathanos Blightcaller back into the spotlight imo. Koltira becomes his second in command. That's a Forsaken regime I could get behind.
 

Weebos

Banned
Oh you mean like some kind of.... Council of Glades?

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fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

A Forsaken centric expansion that isn't about the Scourge?

I can dream.

It wouldn't be that though, it would just be humans co-opting the name.
 

Robin64

Member
A Forsaken part of the story would be cool, could even have the Tauren coming up with a "cure" finally and having it be totally rejected, causing friction there.
 

ampere

Member
Mythic archimonde is just the best boss I have ever progressed on, higher than heroic ragnaros for me right now, great way to end this expansion as a progress player.

I'm looking forward to it. We'll probably have some souped up rings by the time we get there on 2 night schedule though, so he'll be a bit easier.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
its probably better for them to just do that in case there's some leak that ends up happening that takes all of the steam out of live streaming it anyway.
 

Slayerx

Member
But holy shit, Diablo on 30 million sales now and apparently they had their best q2 ever in China due to all the games they have now.
 

RPGCrazied

Member
How? I thought the earnings call hasn't started yet? How are numbers already out?

And yikes, thats a stiff drop from the other drops, this better be a freaking epic expansion to get those people back.
 

Hixx

Member
Ouch.

This is why I think the next expansion will be out sometime between December and February.

Wonder how long the next expansion has been in development... when did they split into 2 teams?

They really cannot afford another expansion as light on content as WoD but on the other hand the subs are dropping fucking rapidly.
 

idlewild_

Member
Back to mid-Vanilla numbers. Rough, but makes sense. If it were not for me having a few million gold to buy tokens with I would have unsubbed back around April too.
 

m_dorian

Member
It takes a lot o f effort to lose almost half of your subscribers after a 7 month period. Maybe they ll learn something out of it and the new expansion will also have meat and bones and not only hype.
 

Shahadan

Member
I don't see what's weird or why anybody should care. Those numbers will be normal from now on, big spikes as an expansion releases and then number will drop until the next.

That's why they want faster xpacs. They said it plenty of times.
The first WoD drop was straight to end of pandaria levels, that should tell all there is to know. Game is old, people are bored. Core fans will keep it healthy, but numbers will drop more and more regardless of what amount of content there is.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I wonder what it would be without tokens. Closer to 4mil?

You know WoW devs are gonna be like this for the next 2 days

 

Khezu

Member
Blizzard the secret to success is to finally add an option to remove shoulders pieces.

Money and subs will just rake in.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Listen... We could add more content to the next expansion




Or we could add some new shop mounts to make the loss off of some whales.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
This proves WoW xpac announcement at Gamescom is a panic move.

Correlation is not causation, it always made more sense to make a quicker announcement than waiting until blizzcon regardless of the specific Q2 drop given WoD being done as of 6.2

Listen... We could add more content to the next expansion




Or we could add some new shop mounts to make the loss off of some whales.

It's true and I am upset.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Yup. No other way around it honestly.

What? Of course there's a way around it: have compelling content that people actually want to play.

There's always going to be decline as time goes on, but the sharp crater of WoD was in no way inevitable, especially after the initial launch surge. If WoD was a better expansion overall (with a better patch cycle) the current numbers would probably have stabilized around 7-8mil, similar to the path that subs took during Mists.
 
What? Of course there's a way around it: have compelling content that people actually want to play.

There's always going to be decline as time goes on, but the sharp crater of WoD was in no way inevitable, especially after the initial launch surge. If WoD was a better expansion overall (with a better patch cycle) the current numbers would probably have stabilized around 7-8mil, similar to the path that subs took during Mists.

It's a cynical prediction sure, but I don't like most of the talk that's come out regarding the new expansion cycles (smaller, more frequent) and they've explicitly ruled out creating content with the breadth and depth Wrath had. They're intentionally planning for a smaller userbase, even as they witness a precipitous drop over the last six months.

They're just trying to tie off the stump and bleed slower at this point, I suspect.
 

Tenebrous

Member
I'm a pretty big fan of Blizzard's work (they're my #1 developer historically), but honestly, I'm glad they're failing right now. WoD is fucking terrible, and they need to know they can't get away with treating their consumers like cashcows.

Respect to all those that are no longer paying to play.
 

Shahadan

Member
What? Of course there's a way around it: have compelling content that people actually want to play.

There's always going to be decline as time goes on, but the sharp crater of WoD was in no way inevitable, especially after the initial launch surge. If WoD was a better expansion overall (with a better patch cycle) the current numbers would probably have stabilized around 7-8mil, similar to the path that subs took during Mists.

Subs will decline whatever they do, the game is old and we're bored faster than before. They never boast about new subscribers because there aren't that many. It's only about people returning when you listen to them.

Also, MoP was pretty heavy in patches and new stuff until the final drought and subs declined anyway. Worse, people kept complaining content was coming too fast. Blizzard took notice, and the various graphics mmochampion often publish show that the majority of players don't finish content anyway.

So, in a business sense, what do you do then? What they're doing. Faster xpacs, lighter on content (because Blizzard is notoriously slow and mismanaged, and they try to allow ressources to other projects, faster to develop) and you try to minimize losses by instead counting on the annual xpac price to counterbalance sub drops.

They could put a new raid each month people would leave anyway, and some would return later. They've said multiple times patches don't really make people come back, xpacs do.

I wouldn't expect bigger expansions from now on honestly. They can't do it in a reasonable timeframe and it would be a waste of time and ressources. They will try to not do worse than WoD though, obviously.
They could have handled that better and lose less subscribers, of course, we all agree on that. But I don't believe for one second that WoD would have kept bigger numbers than pandaria whatever had happened.
 
I'm a pretty big fan of Blizzard's work (they're my #1 developer historically), but honestly, I'm glad they're failing right now. WoD is fucking terrible, and they need to know they can't get away with treating their consumers like cashcows.

Respect to all those that are no longer paying to play.

Exactly how I feel. This shit they have been pulling can't be allowed to go unpunished.
 
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