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Which fans are getting shafted more? Mega Man or Sonic?

 

[Diggeh]

Which fans are getting shafted more? Mega Man or Sonic?

At least Sonic fans have games.

 

[Maintenance]

At least Sonic fans have games.

I'm not sure this is positive.

 

[Verger]

Sure, if you want to completely ignore all the context surrounding this delay.

1. Comcept keeps shouting from the rooftops that MN9 is basically done since January.
2. Red Ash Kickstarter very obviously becomes Comcept's main priority. Note that nobody asked them to prioritize a new project over MN9, they just did it on their own accord.
3. Strong rumors start to circulate that MN9 gets delayed
4. They denied the rumor last week, claimed the game was getting released in a month as scheduled
6. Radio silence on MN9, no follow-up questions answered about the delay rumors.
7. Red Ash crashes and burns, KS fails.
8. Oh so conveniently, MN9 is now delayed. No new date given.
9. Cherry on top: "We decided to wait because we were too busy with Red Ash". You know, that project nobody liked, the project that nobody asked them to start, the project they claimed only existed because MN9 was "done". Yes, that one.

Doesn't take a genius to point out that they had decided to delay MN9 well before today, and waited until right now to announce it for the sole purpose of trying to have it not affect the Red Ash KS. They lied to the fans/backers regarding the delay rumors and then kept them in the dark, because they didn't want bad vibes from the delay to affect a completely different project (that ended up failing anyway).

And this is even assuming we buy their excuse that the delay is due to online "features" and bugfixes and that the core game is done. With how shady Inafune has been running this shitshow the past few months, I have no reason to believe they're telling the truth. Hell, the fact that they don't even want to say anything beyond "Q1 2016" to me clearly indicates the core game is still not finished and significant work on the entire project still remains to be done. If you ask me they're just blowing smoke up our asses regarding online "features" and "bugfixing" because for months now they'd been repeating over and over again how finished this project was. In my opinion they've been lying about the state of completion of MN9 for months to sell us on Red Ash. For the people who don't care about the second project, this is completely unnecessary bullshit surrounding what should be a way more transparent process.

Yeah, great summary here.

I didn't follow the Red Ash controversy much. But did they at least try to explain that they had the bandwidth to start a new game? Or that they wanted to do a new kickstarter because they need to keep the people they have employed and roles like the Artists and so on doing more work since MN9 is supposedly "near finished?"

But then again, IntiCreates is doing all the work so I guess that's not the case, since they've got other projects lined up. Definitely sounds shady from Comcept.

 

[Kasumin]

The willful ignorance people are exhibiting when they try to spin this announcement as not a big deal is really disturbing. How can anyone ignore the larger context around this? As people have made clear previously in the thread, this is just another event in a series of questionable actions taken by Comcept.

And sure, let's ignore 90% of the context around this for a bit because that's so easy. There's still the fact that Comcept lied to its backers and fanbase about the delay. Evidence points to them withholding the information until after the Red Ash kickstarter finished. Can anyone honestly defend that kind of shady handling of information?

Jim Sterling spelled it out pretty clearly in his video about Red Ash: when it comes to Kickstarter and crowdfunding in general, gaining and maintaining the trust of your fans is key. Comcept has very clearly acted in ways that have betrayed the trust of their backers and fanbase. That much I would think people attempting to pass this event off as not a big deal could agree with.

And if you acknowledge that and still think people are overreacting, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[Teknoman]

They just need to tighten up the graphics on level 5.

 

[Serenade_King]

The willful ignorance people are exhibiting when they try to spin this announcement as not a big deal is really disturbing. How can anyone ignore the larger context around this? As people have made clear previously in the thread, this is just another event in a series of questionable actions taken by Comcept.

Because the thread is about the game being delayed and for a good reason? What else can people add that hasn't already been said? I only care about games and not the drama happening back stage. I could start defending and criticizing Comcept on diferent points people have made but does it even matter, is it even posible to "win" an online argument against random people? I think people have already made up their minds and no matter what I say will only make things worse so I only talk about the things I actually care about, the actual game or gameplay.

So when it comes to releasing the game with a big bug or delaying it I rather they delay it.

 

[QisTopTier]

Because the thread is about the game being delayed and for a good reason? What else can people add that hasn't already been said? I only care about games and not the drama happening back stage. I could start defending and criticizing Comcept on diferent points people have made but does it even matter, is it even posible to "win" an online argument against random people? I think people have already made up their minds and no matter what I say will only make things worse so I only talk about the things I actually care about, the actual game or gameplay.

So when it comes to releasing the game with a big bug or delaying it I rather they delay it.

Or they could just release it now and add in the online, WHICH was not originally in the game to begin with, later.

To me this just sounds like they are not even done we with the core game. And seriously most likely up to 4 to 5 months for an online bug on something they been working on for ages now. Come on let's be real here the game is most likely not even done. Look at the fuck up with that pirate game.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

The willful ignorance people are exhibiting when they try to spin this announcement as not a big deal is really disturbing. How can anyone ignore the larger context around this? As people have made clear previously in the thread, this is just another event in a series of questionable actions taken by Comcept.

And sure, let's ignore 90% of the context around this for a bit because that's so easy. There's still the fact that Comcept lied to its backers and fanbase about the delay. Evidence points to them withholding the information until after the Red Ash kickstarter finished. Can anyone honestly defend that kind of shady handling of information?

Jim Sterling spelled it out pretty clearly in his video about Red Ash: when it comes to Kickstarter and crowdfunding in general, gaining and maintaining the trust of your fans is key. Comcept has very clearly acted in ways that have betrayed the trust of their backers and fanbase. That much I would think people attempting to pass this event off as not a big deal could agree with.

And if you acknowledge that and still think people are overreacting, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Is shitty and shady, of course. Not the end of the world to me and they offered a explanation (even if I not believe it 100%). But I'm not exactly thrilled to wvery single MN9 thread becoming a discussion about people saying how should I feel. Even Destiny threads are as not as driven by hate.

 

[Serenade_King]

Or they could just release it now and add in the online, WHICH was not originally in the game to begin with, later.

But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?

And I prefer that the game is delayed and complete instead of adding features after release, but that's just my preference.

Is shitty and shady, of course. Not the end of the world to me and they offered a explanation (even if I not believe it 100%). But I'm not exactly thrilled to every single MN9 thread becoming a discussion about people saying how should I feel. Even Destiny threads are as not as driven by hate.

My exact feelings whenever I enter a MN9 and Red Ash thread.

 

[QisTopTier]

But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?

And I prefer that the game is delayed and complete instead of adding features after release, but that's just my preference.


My exact feelings whenever I enter a MN9 and Red Ash thread.

I enjoyed Valdis Story very much. Then I went back to it a year later and enjoyed it again. Then went back 6 months later and enjoyed it again.

And guess what people were happy with it

 

[~Kinggi~]

They were really counting on getting that sweet red ash money to continue funding MN 9. Seems like all is fucked now.

 

[shadow2810]

But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?

The drama would even be more amazing if the final version of this game doesn't have this

 

[maxiell]

They couldn't come up with a better excuse than "there were some online bugs"?

 

[KHlover]

But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?

And I prefer that the game is delayed and complete instead of adding features after release, but that's just my preference.


My exact feelings whenever I enter a MN9 and Red Ash thread.

Nothing happens, at least not from kickstarter. Kickstarter is a donation, not a buying contract. Comcept made a reasonable attempt to fullfil their promises to the backers, just like that any chance of a refund vanished in thin air.

 

[Shia_Labeouf]

Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?

Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?

 

[CrashSimonFaye]

never comming out.

 

[Wolvesinthebathroom]

The only game I've ever kickstarted. Which I regret now.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?

Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?

There havent been too many times weve been screwed. Guy is still right for a lot of games. Red Ash failed, so the system kind of worked.

 

[Serenade_King]

I enjoyed Valdis Story very much. Then I went back to it a year later and enjoyed it again. Then went back 6 months later and enjoyed it again.

And guess what people were happy with it

I don't understand the question (my first language is spanish). If it's that the game added features after release and people enjoyed it many times there is nothing wrong with that, I'm the type of guy that just prefers to have everything from the beginning and replay the game after some time has passed. I have been playing Lollipop Chainsaw and Jojo's ASB even though I have finished those games already with nothing more to unlock. But like I said, That's just my preference.

Nothing happens, at least not from kickstarter. Kickstarter is a donation, not a buying contract. Comcept made a reasonable attempt to fullfil their promises to the backers, just like that any chance of a refund vanished in thin air.

Really? so I can make a successful Kickstarter about an RPG and decide to make it a fighting game after I get the funding?

 

[Lingitiz]

Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?

Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?

We've gotten FTL, Shovel Knight, Pillars of Eternity, Shadowrun Returns/Dragonfall, Divinity OS, Wasteland 2, etc. from KS...even with the fuckups those are some top-tier games produced from crowdfunding.

 

[Holundrian]

But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?

Nothing happens as long as they're upfront about it.
Shovel Knight shipped without some of it's stretchgoals(as far as I know could be wrong thougg) and the reaction around its kickstarter and release has largely been positive.
As far as I understand largely because they've been super honest and upfront with their backers.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I do find the "We don't know when it might come out but we're aiming for these three months possibly" thing to be extremely off-putting.

That either means A) They're so new to this that a six month delay-causing bug crept up just before going gold, B) They had no idea how bug testing worked and assumed it would take a week, C) There's way more than just a few bugs causing the problem.

I don't really trust them to be honest at this point, so we'll likely never know. But I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if they have been misleading people on the completion status of the game for the entirety of the year.

 

[FLAguy954]

Immediately? They had about a month of rumors where they could have communicated with us about what is going on.
I mean maybe they weren't sure themselves which is fine just report where everything is at.

What do they do instead? They f****** relay false information. Which just looks borderline deceitful in the context of Red Ash.
To me this isn't excusable. I will stay away from future Inafune projects.

I meant to say "can" in my original post, sorry. I still trust that Inti-Creates will salvage the project but yeah, Comcept has yet to prove themselves as both a dev and a publisher.

 

[Kasumin]

Is shitty and shady, of course. Not the end of the world to me and they offered a explanation (even if I not believe it 100%). But I'm not exactly thrilled to wvery single MN9 thread becoming a discussion about people saying how should I feel. Even Destiny threads are as not as driven by hate.

I was referring to people saying others are overreacting, and they are telling others how to feel, no?

Either way, I don't think "this thread is just about X" is an excuse for ignoring the reason why people are angry. People are throwing around hate, yes. But in the past there was nothing but hype for MN9. I think the hate is a bit excessive (especially when people say the game looks terrible). But when people try to act like it isn't a big deal, I'm confused because there is an actual, justifiable reason for the hate. People didn't just decide to stop trusting Inafune overnight.

I've never been a fan of Inafune since he ended the X series sloppily at X5. But in this case I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the game itself. Still, the fact that he and Comcept have lied to their backers and fanbase still remains and I find that inexcusable.

That is why I get annoyed when others say that a delay isn't a big deal. In the context of games in general? Sure. In the context of this particular Kickstarter project? I'd have to disagree. I'm not trying to tell people how to feel. I'm responding to people blatantly ignoring the larger context surrounding the delay.

Edit:

Because the thread is about the game being delayed and for a good reason? What else can people add that hasn't already been said? I only care about games and not the drama happening back stage.

You can't really separate the game and the drama behind it as the drama involves the staff at Comcept as well.

In any case, I don't agree with those saying to release it early. I do find Comcept's stated reason for delaying the game questionable. Whether they're being honest or not, though, the game has been delayed and they have handled the situation and the announcement of the delay poorly. It's not the delay that a lot of people are angry about. It's the situation occurring around the delay. I imagine that if Comcept had been more transparent regarding this news, people would not be as angry.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?

Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?

Kickstarter got me Defense grid 2. If nothing else, it was worth it for that alone.

Also Yooka Laylee is a thing that will probably be a complete success from Kickstarter, so there's that too.

Really? so I can make a successful Kickstarter about an RPG and decide to make it a fighting game after I get the funding?

You can if you feel like it. You'll kill any credibility you have and at that point you might as well just steal the money, but you could do it.

 

[Mr-Joker]

So when you guys think Mighty No 9 will go from being delayed to cancelled?

Might as compete the cycle and end this train wreck.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

So when you guys think Mighty No 9 will go from being delayed to cancelled?

Might as compete the cycle and end this train wreck.

Nah, I don't think he'll cancel it. Inafune wants sweet future crowd funding money, and cancelling would guarantee it never happens. He'll release it at some point even if it is still a big mess.

 

[EatinOlives]

I do find the "We don't know when it might come out but we're aiming for these three months possibly" thing to be extremely off-putting.

That either means A) They're so new to this that a six month delay-causing bug crept up just before going gold, B) They had no idea how bug testing worked and assumed it would take a week, C) There's way more than just a few bugs causing the problem.

I don't really trust them to be honest at this point, so we'll likely never know. But I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if they have been misleading people on the completion status of the game for the entirety of the year.

My money's on C.

I think the biggest reason why they kept repeating MN9 was near completion was to justify them spending time on Red Ash. They probably thought they could simply wing it and get the game done in time still. A long time ago it was probably obvious that wasn't going to be the case, but they couldn't say they weren't near completion because 1) they already said they were and 2) that meant Red Ash was going to actively harm development of MN9.

So they just stuck to their guns and continue to claim the game is "nearing completion", even downplaying an 8+ month delay as "bugfixes" and "online features". They can't come out and say "yeah we lied about the completion state of MN9 to sell you Red Ash".

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Really? so I can make a successful Kickstarter about an RPG and decide to make it a fighting game after I get the funding?

There was a guy who did a kickstarter for his webcomic series that went nuts and burned the backer rewards and never actually fulfilled his release. The KS was already funded so there was nothing the backers could do. At least not through the site.

 

[junpei]

lol fucking Inafune.

And people were blaming Capcom for Mega Man's death.

either I am missing something or there are a lot of leaps in logic going on in here .

How does a delay prove that inafune is responsible for megaman death ?
Inafune wasn't even at capcom when they went cancel happy .

if the delay isn't for the bugs then what is it for and where is the proof of that ?

this second delay does suck because I didn't expect it like the first one but if it is to fix the game then what is wrong with that ?

in any case the lying about the delay so close to release is the real bad part here .

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Gotta get Recore out.

 

[Roto13]

At least Sonic fans have games.

Are terrible new games better than (what will hopefully turn out to be) a really cool collection of classic games? I'd rather have Mega Man Legacy Collection than Sonic Boom or Mighty No. 9.

 

[klee123]

Nah, I don't think he'll cancel it. Inafune wants sweet future crowd funding money, and cancelling would guarantee it never happens. He'll release it at some point even if it is still a big mess.

I think his reputation is already tainted to the point that chances are, he'll struggle with any future kickstarter.

 

[Needlecrash]

Overall, I'm disappointed. By the time the game comes out, it would have missed it's original release date by a year. Initially I was hyped about it. Now, my interest has started to wane; moreso because I backed it.

 

[Caffeine]

I'm not sure this is positive.

it had such a boom on the industry lol sonic 06^2



I dont think inafune can do another kickstarter lol he better hope for good sales from here on out.

 

[EatinOlives]

There was a guy who did a kickstarter for his webcomic series that went nuts and burned the backer rewards and never actually fulfilled his release. The KS was already funded so there was nothing the backers could do. At least not through the site.

Woah woah, what? Do you have a link to this?

 

[Mr-Joker]

Nah, I don't think he'll cancel it. Inafune wants sweet future crowd funding money, and cancelling would guarantee it never happens. He'll release it at some point even if it is still a big mess.

If Red Ash has shown us anything, I think Inafune chances of getting "free money" is long gone.

The man has poison the well and he is on his own.

Unless by some miracle Mighty No 9 and Red Ash end up being an amazing game.

 

[Serenade_King]

Nothing happens as long as they're upfront about it.
Shovel Knight shipped without some of it's stretchgoals(as far as I know could be wrong thougg) and the reaction around its kickstarter and release has largely been positive.
As far as I understand largely because they've been super honest and upfront with their backers.

Now that I don't like. I know that things can change during development, for example maybe an extra campaign that was promised to be a playable female character is now more like a skin for the main character with some dialog changed to acknowledge that it's a different person, but it should at least be there when the game releases in some form if it was a stretch goal that was promised. Sometimes people just pledge because of the stretch goals and for them to be something that the developer can choose to cut off shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.

 

[QisTopTier]

Sometimes people just pledge because of the stretch goals and for them to be something that the developer can choose to cut off shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.

But they are not cutting them off, they are still going to get their stretch goals. For the most part unless the stretch goal effects the main game directly. I see no issues with it being rolled out as it's completed for free.

 

[Gunstar Ikari]

If Red Ash has shown us anything, I think Inafune chances of getting "free money" is long gone.

The man has poison the well and he is on his own.

Unless by some miracle Mighty No 9 and Red Ash end up being an amazing game.

It'll be a miracle if Red Ash even makes it to retail. Will definitely need a refillable popcorn bucket for that one.

 

[Holundrian]

Now that I don't like. I know that things can change during development, for example maybe an extra campaign that was promised to be a playable female character is now more like a skin for the main character with some dialog changed to acknowledge that it's a different person, but it should at least be there when the game releases in some form if it was a stretch goal that was promised. Sometimes people just pledge because of the stretch goals and for them to be something that the developer can choose to cut off shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.

But they're delivering on the stretch goals as far as I understand they just released the main part of the game and are delivering the stretchgoals as free DLC.
But again most importantly they were upfront about it.

No bullshit excuses, no big controversy that makes them look like scammers.
And all it takes is honest communication.

 

[Serenade_King]

But they are not cutting them off, they are still going to get their stretch goals. For the most part unless the stretch goal effects the main game directly. I see no issues with it being rolled out as it's completed for free.

I'm talking about completely deciding to cut off the stretch goal. If the dev decided to release the game because it's taking too much time to make the stretch goals and decided to release them as they are finished I don't have a problem with that.

But they're delivering on the stretch goals as far as I understand they just released the main part of the game and are delivering the stretchgoals as free DLC.

I'm not talking about Shovel Knight, just in general about the bolded part. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I never write in forums and just now started because of Red Ash.

 

[QisTopTier]

I'm talking about completely deciding to cut off the stretch goal. If the dev decided to release the game because it's taking too much time to make the stretch goals and decided to release them as they are finished I don't have a problem with that.

That's what I was trying to say, there is no reason for them to not release the core game if it's pretty much done and just add in the stretch goals and online as free dlc updates.

It also makes it look like they are supporting their game a lot which gives them good press/word of mouth.

 

[Serenade_King]

That's what I was trying to say, there is no reason for them to not release the core game if it's pretty much done and just add in the stretch goals and online as free dlc updates.

It also makes it look like they are supporting their game a lot which gives them good press/word of mouth.

Yeah I know, my point just was that I would prefer they not do that because I prefer to have a complete package, not that they shouldn't do that. I guess I'm old fashioned to the point that I almost didn't buy a PS4 because of the constant patches and DLC the games have these days. I just like for my disks to have everything on them and not have to worry about "Game of the Year" editions .

 

[Drilbit777]

Just what the hell is going on with MN9 thats causing all these delays?

 

[Stone Ocean]

The drama would even be more amazing if the final version of this game doesn't have this

Those were cut IIRC

 

[Chobel]

Those were cut IIRC

Really?!

 

[Frank Serpico]

How did the survey delay the game?

 

[HardRojo]

Yeah I know, my point just was that I would prefer they not do that because I prefer to have a complete package, not that they shouldn't do that. I guess I'm old fashioned to the point that I almost didn't buy a PS4 because of the constant patches and DLC the games have these days. I just like for my disks to have everything on them and not have to worry about "Game of the Year" editions .

To be honest, you'd still be getting the whole package. You can even avoid playing the game until everything has been released, if that's what you'd like. I don't really see what your point is.
Edit: Sadly, in this day and age it's almost impossible to have a game that doesn't need a patch or some kind of digitally delivered content.