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Which fans are getting shafted more? Mega Man or Sonic?
Which fans are getting shafted more? Mega Man or Sonic?
At least Sonic fans have games.
Yeah, great summary here.Sure, if you want to completely ignore all the context surrounding this delay.
1. Comcept keeps shouting from the rooftops that MN9 is basically done since January.
2. Red Ash Kickstarter very obviously becomes Comcept's main priority. Note that nobody asked them to prioritize a new project over MN9, they just did it on their own accord.
3. Strong rumors start to circulate that MN9 gets delayed
4. They denied the rumor last week, claimed the game was getting released in a month as scheduled
6. Radio silence on MN9, no follow-up questions answered about the delay rumors.
7. Red Ash crashes and burns, KS fails.
8. Oh so conveniently, MN9 is now delayed. No new date given.
9. Cherry on top: "We decided to wait because we were too busy with Red Ash". You know, that project nobody liked, the project that nobody asked them to start, the project they claimed only existed because MN9 was "done". Yes, that one.
Doesn't take a genius to point out that they had decided to delay MN9 well before today, and waited until right now to announce it for the sole purpose of trying to have it not affect the Red Ash KS. They lied to the fans/backers regarding the delay rumors and then kept them in the dark, because they didn't want bad vibes from the delay to affect a completely different project (that ended up failing anyway).
And this is even assuming we buy their excuse that the delay is due to online "features" and bugfixes and that the core game is done. With how shady Inafune has been running this shitshow the past few months, I have no reason to believe they're telling the truth. Hell, the fact that they don't even want to say anything beyond "Q1 2016" to me clearly indicates the core game is still not finished and significant work on the entire project still remains to be done. If you ask me they're just blowing smoke up our asses regarding online "features" and "bugfixing" because for months now they'd been repeating over and over again how finished this project was. In my opinion they've been lying about the state of completion of MN9 for months to sell us on Red Ash. For the people who don't care about the second project, this is completely unnecessary bullshit surrounding what should be a way more transparent process.
Because the thread is about the game being delayed and for a good reason? What else can people add that hasn't already been said? I only care about games and not the drama happening back stage. I could start defending and criticizing Comcept on diferent points people have made but does it even matter, is it even posible to "win" an online argument against random people? I think people have already made up their minds and no matter what I say will only make things worse so I only talk about the things I actually care about, the actual game or gameplay.The willful ignorance people are exhibiting when they try to spin this announcement as not a big deal is really disturbing. How can anyone ignore the larger context around this? As people have made clear previously in the thread, this is just another event in a series of questionable actions taken by Comcept.
Or they could just release it now and add in the online, WHICH was not originally in the game to begin with, later.Because the thread is about the game being delayed and for a good reason? What else can people add that hasn't already been said? I only care about games and not the drama happening back stage. I could start defending and criticizing Comcept on diferent points people have made but does it even matter, is it even posible to "win" an online argument against random people? I think people have already made up their minds and no matter what I say will only make things worse so I only talk about the things I actually care about, the actual game or gameplay.
So when it comes to releasing the game with a big bug or delaying it I rather they delay it.
The willful ignorance people are exhibiting when they try to spin this announcement as not a big deal is really disturbing. How can anyone ignore the larger context around this? As people have made clear previously in the thread, this is just another event in a series of questionable actions taken by Comcept.
And sure, let's ignore 90% of the context around this for a bit because that's so easy. There's still the fact that Comcept lied to its backers and fanbase about the delay. Evidence points to them withholding the information until after the Red Ash kickstarter finished. Can anyone honestly defend that kind of shady handling of information?
Jim Sterling spelled it out pretty clearly in his video about Red Ash: when it comes to Kickstarter and crowdfunding in general, gaining and maintaining the trust of your fans is key. Comcept has very clearly acted in ways that have betrayed the trust of their backers and fanbase. That much I would think people attempting to pass this event off as not a big deal could agree with.
And if you acknowledge that and still think people are overreacting, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?Or they could just release it now and add in the online, WHICH was not originally in the game to begin with, later.
My exact feelings whenever I enter a MN9 and Red Ash thread.Is shitty and shady, of course. Not the end of the world to me and they offered a explanation (even if I not believe it 100%). But I'm not exactly thrilled to every single MN9 thread becoming a discussion about people saying how should I feel. Even Destiny threads are as not as driven by hate.
But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?
And I prefer that the game is delayed and complete instead of adding features after release, but that's just my preference.
My exact feelings whenever I enter a MN9 and Red Ash thread.
But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?
But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?
And I prefer that the game is delayed and complete instead of adding features after release, but that's just my preference.
My exact feelings whenever I enter a MN9 and Red Ash thread.
Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?
Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?
I don't understand the question (my first language is spanish). If it's that the game added features after release and people enjoyed it many times there is nothing wrong with that, I'm the type of guy that just prefers to have everything from the beginning and replay the game after some time has passed. I have been playing Lollipop Chainsaw and Jojo's ASB even though I have finished those games already with nothing more to unlock. But like I said, That's just my preference.I enjoyed Valdis Story very much. Then I went back to it a year later and enjoyed it again. Then went back 6 months later and enjoyed it again.
And guess what people were happy with it
Really? so I can make a successful Kickstarter about an RPG and decide to make it a fighting game after I get the funding?Nothing happens, at least not from kickstarter. Kickstarter is a donation, not a buying contract. Comcept made a reasonable attempt to fullfil their promises to the backers, just like that any chance of a refund vanished in thin air.
Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?
Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?
But it was, it's part of the stretch goals. For example, what happens if MN9 doesn't have the online modes after being promised as part of the game, what happens then? Has any kickstarter released did not made one of their stretch goals? And what happened to them for not making what was promised?
Immediately? They had about a month of rumors where they could have communicated with us about what is going on.
I mean maybe they weren't sure themselves which is fine just report where everything is at.
What do they do instead? They f****** relay false information. Which just looks borderline deceitful in the context of Red Ash.
To me this isn't excusable. I will stay away from future Inafune projects.
Is shitty and shady, of course. Not the end of the world to me and they offered a explanation (even if I not believe it 100%). But I'm not exactly thrilled to wvery single MN9 thread becoming a discussion about people saying how should I feel. Even Destiny threads are as not as driven by hate.
Because the thread is about the game being delayed and for a good reason? What else can people add that hasn't already been said? I only care about games and not the drama happening back stage.
Kickstarter got me Defense grid 2. If nothing else, it was worth it for that alone.Where's that guy that was talking about how kickstarter has been a godsend for games this gen?
Seriously. How many times are we gonna get dicked before we stop doing this to ourselves?
Really? so I can make a successful Kickstarter about an RPG and decide to make it a fighting game after I get the funding?
So when you guys think Mighty No 9 will go from being delayed to cancelled?
Might as compete the cycle and end this train wreck.
I do find the "We don't know when it might come out but we're aiming for these three months possibly" thing to be extremely off-putting.
That either means A) They're so new to this that a six month delay-causing bug crept up just before going gold, B) They had no idea how bug testing worked and assumed it would take a week, C) There's way more than just a few bugs causing the problem.
I don't really trust them to be honest at this point, so we'll likely never know. But I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if they have been misleading people on the completion status of the game for the entirety of the year.
Really? so I can make a successful Kickstarter about an RPG and decide to make it a fighting game after I get the funding?
lol fucking Inafune.
And people were blaming Capcom for Mega Man's death.
At least Sonic fans have games.
Nah, I don't think he'll cancel it. Inafune wants sweet future crowd funding money, and cancelling would guarantee it never happens. He'll release it at some point even if it is still a big mess.
I'm not sure this is positive.
There was a guy who did a kickstarter for his webcomic series that went nuts and burned the backer rewards and never actually fulfilled his release. The KS was already funded so there was nothing the backers could do. At least not through the site.
Nah, I don't think he'll cancel it. Inafune wants sweet future crowd funding money, and cancelling would guarantee it never happens. He'll release it at some point even if it is still a big mess.
Now that I don't like. I know that things can change during development, for example maybe an extra campaign that was promised to be a playable female character is now more like a skin for the main character with some dialog changed to acknowledge that it's a different person, but it should at least be there when the game releases in some form if it was a stretch goal that was promised. Sometimes people just pledge because of the stretch goals and for them to be something that the developer can choose to cut off shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.Nothing happens as long as they're upfront about it.
Shovel Knight shipped without some of it's stretchgoals(as far as I know could be wrong thougg) and the reaction around its kickstarter and release has largely been positive.
As far as I understand largely because they've been super honest and upfront with their backers.
Sometimes people just pledge because of the stretch goals and for them to be something that the developer can choose to cut off shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.
If Red Ash has shown us anything, I think Inafune chances of getting "free money" is long gone.
The man has poison the well and he is on his own.
Unless by some miracle Mighty No 9 and Red Ash end up being an amazing game.
Now that I don't like. I know that things can change during development, for example maybe an extra campaign that was promised to be a playable female character is now more like a skin for the main character with some dialog changed to acknowledge that it's a different person, but it should at least be there when the game releases in some form if it was a stretch goal that was promised. Sometimes people just pledge because of the stretch goals and for them to be something that the developer can choose to cut off shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.
I'm talking about completely deciding to cut off the stretch goal. If the dev decided to release the game because it's taking too much time to make the stretch goals and decided to release them as they are finished I don't have a problem with that.But they are not cutting them off, they are still going to get their stretch goals. For the most part unless the stretch goal effects the main game directly. I see no issues with it being rolled out as it's completed for free.
I'm not talking about Shovel Knight, just in general about the bolded part. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I never write in forums and just now started because of Red Ash.But they're delivering on the stretch goals as far as I understand they just released the main part of the game and are delivering the stretchgoals as free DLC.
I'm talking about completely deciding to cut off the stretch goal. If the dev decided to release the game because it's taking too much time to make the stretch goals and decided to release them as they are finished I don't have a problem with that.
Yeah I know, my point just was that I would prefer they not do that because I prefer to have a complete package, not that they shouldn't do that. I guess I'm old fashioned to the point that I almost didn't buy a PS4 because of the constant patches and DLC the games have these days. I just like for my disks to have everything on them and not have to worry about "Game of the Year" editions .That's what I was trying to say, there is no reason for them to not release the core game if it's pretty much done and just add in the stretch goals and online as free dlc updates.
It also makes it look like they are supporting their game a lot which gives them good press/word of mouth.
Those were cut IIRCThe drama would even be more amazing if the final version of this game doesn't have this
Those were cut IIRC
To be honest, you'd still be getting the whole package. You can even avoid playing the game until everything has been released, if that's what you'd like. I don't really see what your point is.Yeah I know, my point just was that I would prefer they not do that because I prefer to have a complete package, not that they shouldn't do that. I guess I'm old fashioned to the point that I almost didn't buy a PS4 because of the constant patches and DLC the games have these days. I just like for my disks to have everything on them and not have to worry about "Game of the Year" editions .