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SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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I would love to see a low budget remake of MG1 that keeps the top-down style but updates the graphics and introduces some new gameplay elements. It wouldn't be some $60 AAA title, but something they would release for like $15 on digital platforms. Maybe Kojima wanted to do something with MG1 after this game but now we will never know.
KOMANI
KOMANI
I really like your choice mate.
BossDarkseid
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Well almost 18 months ago he said TPP would introduce inconsistencies with MG1 and he wanted to remake it in some fashion to clear these up but they didn't have the budget/manpower to get it done in time so I guess it wouldn't be a full fledged title but more like a sizeable DLC for TPP, in terms of a set area (Outer Heaven) and could last a few hours etc. I mean unless you remade MG1 and MG2 together after TPP I'm not sure you could convince Konami (obligatory fuck Konami) that it'd be worth the budget etc.
Have you finished the game yet, Dawg?
This is pretty much what you wanted to happen.
The series has already been incredibly bad about cramming in things we recognize, it didn't need to be even worse.
razzmahtazz
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Can anyone who finished the game make a by mission summary of what story beats happen in all 40+ main missions?
Are most of them filler missions? I'm assuming they are more like side ops rather than actual story missions?
That's a general feeling I'm getting by the amount of story beats we are getting versus the 40+story missions number.
Are most of them filler missions? I'm assuming they are more like side ops rather than actual story missions?
That's a general feeling I'm getting by the amount of story beats we are getting versus the 40+story missions number.
Thanks.
I really shouldn't have asked. Oh dear. That certainly was something.
I can't give you an exact breakdown but most of them are related to the story in some way. That definitely doesn't mean you get 40 cutscenes with story beats. You finish some of them and you end up back on the chopper with an "Oh well that didn't pan out but I know Skull Face/Cipher/whatever is behind this somehow".
I would at least wanted to know how BB ends up the commander of Fox again. It would of been kinda cool to see it come full circle and see BB give SS his first mission. I'm I wrong for that
BossDarkseid
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Well while you don't see it, you get most of the pieces of the puzzle.
People don't want to see Baby Snake, but a flashback (err, I guess we are going forward) to 1995 Snake during Outer Heaven would have been really cool.
I could see a scenario where he's back with the Patriots for a while before the AI inevitably takes over and takes his body hostage (that's still canon right? Or was that body Venom's or.... bahhh).
That would have been the only thing the twist would have made simpler. Big Boss goes to the states and continues FOXHOUND and has nothing to do with Outer Heaven.
But no, he's just doing eviler shit.
So dumb.
Is words and deeds euphemism for boobs? I can see why people would be ashamed of theirs when seeing this. Quiet is full of life
I don't even know what he is doing that is "evil" all he did is body switch with someone. From the looks of it he is just letting shit rock and chilling watching Venom Snake do his thing
I'll tag this for safeties sake, but
Starting Outer Heaven in Zanzibar.
are we to assume the Medic had no relatives, children or friends who would have been happy to know he was alive?
Seems like such a dick move. To view yourself so highly that you need to be preserved, even despite having a duplicate as effective as yourself. To turn a man into you for the sake of having a few years to relax.
It's even worse for the character than if he was just one guy.
Seems like such a dick move. To view yourself so highly that you need to be preserved, even despite having a duplicate as effective as yourself. To turn a man into you for the sake of having a few years to relax.
It's even worse for the character than if he was just one guy.
Starting Outer Heaven in Zanzibar.
Ether_Snake
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Then shame is piling up, Quiet is Chico patch has yet to arrive, watch your words and deeds!
KOMANI
KOMANI
So... I need to unlock "butterfly front" for my my MB insignia or as an emblem (like the animal rankings post mission)?
And I have to do this before a certain mission?
I'm sorry, I can't find the information anywhere.
Side Op 150 - Secure Quiet
Availability: The following four conditions must be fulfilled for this side op (and Mission 45, which immediately follows it) to be triggered:
- You spared Quiet’s life at the end of Mission 11
- Quiet is available (she is not recuperating).
- Your Bond with Quiet is at its maximum level
- You have seen the cutscene at Mother Base where a scientist is exiled.
-You do not use the “Butterfly (front)” design in your emblem.
Note that completing this assignment immediately triggers Mission 45, so make sure you are fully prepared beforehand.
Having gotten zero mentions at all I'm not sure Zanzibar land is even canon anymore. May not have been him anyway.
Venom
What did he do that was so evil in Zanzibar, I know it something to do with oil I think? One of the reasons I was looking forward to this game, is I wanted to see the fall of BB. Where his vengeance for Zero and Skullface consumes him and he has no limit. Doesn't look like I'm getting that, and the whole view of Snakes and Zero's war that went on for 30 years wasn't even true. What makes it worst is this is the last MGS. FUCK you Konami
KOMANI
KOMANI
Thanks Ponpo, I owe you one
You mean the patch to remove Kojima's name from everything in the game like everyone thought would happen, right?
Dick Justice
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DevilTakoyaki
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Guys, who is the Big Boss in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake??
The Phantom or the real Big Boss?? :\
The Phantom or the real Big Boss?? :\
Despite Huey's logical complaint of "You crazy people had a nuke armed mech on an oil platform in the carribean and I'M THE BAD GUY?!", BB comes off as the good guy all along in TPP. Going by that I'd say it was The Phantom.
Don't forget 11 years later and he still hasn't morphed into Old Big Boss yet.
He was meant to look quite close to this in TPP's artwork, but the in-game model is a lot younger. Artwork has a receding hairline.
Dick Justice
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Yeah, I was disappointed that they stuck with his GZ look, now with extra scars and a shitty half-mullet/ half-ponytail.
Rogue Agent
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According to the timeline it's the real Big Boss in MG2's Zanzibar. It's also the real Big Boss on Solid's codec/at Foxhound in MG1, but the one Snake encounters physically and defeats is the Phantom/Venom.
I'm still not clear if it is Big Boss or the Phantom who creates MG1's Outer Heaven. Obviously Venom occupies it in the end, but there's a tape with Ocelot where he says Big Boss is creating the real Outer Heaven behind the scenes and I'm not sure if he means MG1 Outer Heaven or if the "real" OH is Zanzibar.
Ban pls.
So what the hell was BB doing all this time through out the MGS Sega?
The Silver
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Venom dies during the Outer Heaven uprising in MG1, real BB is MG2.
Big Boss does not come across as a good guy, he's revealed as a hypocrite and no better than Cipher/Patriots/US government for going along with the Venom ruse.
Dick Justice
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Motherfucker, you pick a style and stick with it instead of going with this half and half shit. Now I know why Solid Snake was right to burn BB's ass to a crisp with a can of hairspray.
That Ponytail is badass man
Where is this timeline? The guide?
I don't even remember the events of two. Judging by this wiki it seems like it was BB trying to setup a country for real and failing when Solid stopped him. Why Solid would be stopping him if he's the real one and Solid was his subordinate and...he could have just told Solid what was going on or...
mmm.....
He's certainly not the guy I feared he'd be from the pre-release trailers of him appearing to shoot at orphans. The worst crimes you can lay at his feet seem to be in MG2, which I haven't played in many years. If he had to take some drastic measures to fight the oncoming Patriot takeover of society, that's not inherently evil. Venom predates his knowledge of Zero's AI related plans but I'll admit that he definitely went along with it. That's not the worst crime in the world, though it's definitely pretty rotten and he's a party to it. I'm not sure what the context was for him sending in Solid Snake to take out Venom beyond "No, I'm the real one, screw your Outer Heaven" though, so if that was literally all there was to it, I digress.
Nothing. He was in a coma. In MG2, Solid Snake defeats him but the Patriots secure and heals his body.
Pretty much how I feel. The story went completely off the rails after MGS3, which is quite an achievement considering how it already was.
bodyofanamerican
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Where are you guys getting the info that it was him in MG2? The guide?
It did rather seem like the game was answering questions either GZ or itself posed. The (completely predictable from the minute you turn on the game if you're looking for it) twist is self-contained payoff within the game. There's really no shocking twist to be had outside of BB not being the guy from MG1 and even that isn't Earth shattering. The Paz thing is neat (the implication that GZ had a false narrator is neat anyway, the actual cutscene is hard to watch) but kind of irrelevant for anything going forward. I don't know that we even really gained any insight into Liquid (we knew he was arrogant...we knew he had father issues). There was no one moment in the thing that makes you rethink the rest of the series. If there is I haven't processed it yet.
Timeline shown at the end of the game. There are pics in this thread somewhere
Aah. That thing scrolled so damn fast that I missed it. Thanks.
It's funny that Kojima felt the need to explain how Big Boss survived Outer Heaven, in a series where basically everyone at some point "died" and came back without a second thought. The origin story of Big Boss is really a mess now, it's a shame, MGS3 was pretty much perfect in this regard, one could clearly see the consequence of that mission and how and why Naked Snake became Big Boss.
So is the medic tricked into being Big Boss or is he in on it from the beginning? He seemed fine with it at the end with that smirk in the mirror. If he was tricked, then I don't understand why the doctor would show him his old face before changing him to BB's face.
If he wasn't tricked, then I don't see what BB did that was so evil. Actually, what did Venom do that was so bad? I didn't watch the entire stream, but from what I did get, he didn't seem to be any worse than he was in MGS3 or PW.
Also, how long was OG Big Boss in a coma? He's been looking over the medic for 9 years, but we see him go into a coma at the beginning of the cutscene for mission 46. The medic also just happened to go into a coma too?
If he wasn't tricked, then I don't see what BB did that was so evil. Actually, what did Venom do that was so bad? I didn't watch the entire stream, but from what I did get, he didn't seem to be any worse than he was in MGS3 or PW.
Also, how long was OG Big Boss in a coma? He's been looking over the medic for 9 years, but we see him go into a coma at the beginning of the cutscene for mission 46. The medic also just happened to go into a coma too?
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