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You ever feel like you are helplessly watching the industry turn to shit?

By shit I mean trends that you don't like in the industry that you feel you have fuck all control over because it seems other people actually like them? Basically where the supposedly helpful tip of "vote with your wallet" does shit all.

So obvious ones for me is the rise of the pre-order incentives even though digital distribution has made pre-ordering completely irrelevant. This is only kept up because companies want the money as soon as possible which leads to some incredibly shitty developments like the whole Arkham Knight debacle and even more recently Deus Ex where they are straight up delaying the fucking game to punish those who are unwilling to blindly throw their money at them, and this is the crux of the issue I have, people who don't pre-order are punished for being sensible consumers. I have not pre-ordered a game since Colonial Marines came out and that has made zero difference in the grand scheme of things.

Micro transactions in full priced games. MGS V has Micro transactions that are expensive and due to this elements of the game have been made to be more of a grind to entice people to spend money. IN A FUCKING MGS GAME. I don't spend money on Micro transactions ever and I will most likely never will unless it's a F2P game but man does it feel shit to know that one of my favorite series is tarnished with so much negativity now because of Konami. That's just one example of them being in a full priced game, there's many more that is just infuriating to see get stuck onto games.

How the industry is becoming more and more corporate based where money is the main motivator above all else. Okay so making games is a business I get that but man is it shit to see the industry lose it soul bit by bit, where decisions like MS buying Tomb Raiders exclusivity can happen and they then have the audacity to tell us it was done with the fans in mind? Or Assassins Creed and CoD getting released to a point where I'm sick and tired of even talking about them because it makes more money to shit out a new game every year instead overhauling them to keep the franchise fresh and not to mention the shit ton of near exploitative conditions devs have to work to get games done, this is just the top of my head but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sometimes thinks wtf happened to the industry to sink so low.

Lastly shit like Gamergate. Honestly this kind of thing was a problem before gamergate as well but yea, all the god damn hate and fighting and downright EVIL things that people do with gaming tying them all together is just depressing. We all have an awesome hobby in common and yet it's a total crapshoot going online for games as you may end up with someone calling you a fag and describing how they fucked your mom and that's the light stuff, Lizard squad, Gamergate and those sick fucks who Swat others for fun are all connected to the gaming industry now is just something we apparently we have to deal with, with no actual way of stopping it.

I seriously enjoy this hobby, there's nothing else like it but man does it feel frustrating watching it get driven to places you don't want it to.

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ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
Nah. The positives massively outweigh the negatives you mentioned. Great time to be a gamer.
 
I think one of the biggest sore spots I'm seeing in modern gaming is how Bethesda keeps getting a free pass for shipping broken and incomplete "RPG"s because "modders will fix it".

Back in my day (Morrowind), mods were the icing on top of the amazing vanilla cake (Morrowind) that got more even more life out of an experience that had legs to begin with. Not the muscle, skin, and internal vital organs I had to add on to a $60 skeleton to get a competent experience.

Jesus, at least the ArmA games, marketed straight and clear as a "custom content platform" at least ship with a worthwhile $60 experience built in.
 

Nyoro SF

Member
Not the whole industry... but it is despairing to see a lot of trends like what you're describing and being utterly powerless to stop them.
 
I think if you're in a rut you should try playing something outside of your comfort zone. there are just a lot of games being made and tons of experiences to be had. i'm someone who used to buy almost every AAA release for every console but i'm playing way more indie games and going back to older games in genres i've ignored.

hell, i was one of the idiots in high school making fun of magic players and now i'm super addicted to hearthstone.
 

chiimisu

Member
I'm mostly handheld player (with rare occasions of Steam), so nah, it's never been better. I really enjoy 3DS and Vita (especially Vita), really nice machines with great library which perfectly suit my tastes. The only downside is Sony leaving handheld gaming after Vita :/ I really hope they won't do that.
 

Orca

Member
I have not pre-ordered a game since Colonial Marines came out and that has made zero difference in the grand scheme of things.

That made me laugh a bit. If you haven't fixed things in two years, we don't have a hope!

It'll take a ton of gamers finally saying 'that's it, enough' and having enough impulse control to stop buying games, or making a point of only buying games done 'right' - which is an entirely arbitrary measure that's different for everyone, part of what makes making things 'better' so impossible in the first place.

People like to act like 'everyone' is against DLC or pre-orders or microtransactions...but it's getting kind of hard not to see that clearly isn't the opinion of the majority of gamers.
 

Haganeren

Member
There is positive and negative everywhere. I fear for retail games, i fear for the abuse of free to play... Or kickstarter... Or something else. I fear for some king of game i love (fighting game, 3D plateformer...)

But overall, the worsts times are behind us actually (i feel like the beginning of the last gen was horrible, having budget game increasing everywhere and the digital market just wasn't there)... So hey, i have more hope than anything.
 

Lunar15

Member
Man, gaming is so good right now, it's nuts. I honestly think there's something for everyone right now.

Gamergate did highlight a lot of bad aspects of the industry, and it's awful. But I also think that we can use what we've learned and get even better? I dunno, there's a general awareness right now that we haven't seen in some time. Some people are upset about that, but I think it's turning heads and that's a good thing.
 

cyba89

Member
Nah. There are so many good games these days. It's easy to ignore the black sheep. Focus on the positives in gaming not the negatives.
 
AAA industry sure, but the AA and below have been thriving. We could not have releases like Half Minute Hero 2 last gen.
AAA industry can swim in their own poop for all I care.

We are getting Rodea and Danganronpa soon...
 

TVGamer

Neo Member
A lot of bad shit is surrounding the industry but a lot of good too. There are good games coming out this year, next year, and good games that came out last year. Lots of people use games to raise money for charity via streams and such. It's just that whenever people hear of a bad story like the Deus Ex shit, it sticks with them more than when you hear about something more positive. That's not just in gaming, but with anything really. It bugs me that people are probably gonna support Deus Ex by preordering, but hey, no point in me wasting time wallowing about it. Might as well support those I trust to use my money wisely.
 
nah, everything is fine since I just ignore AAA games these days outside of the best ones.

I'm even fine as someone that plays mostly Japanese games, amazing games keep coming out all the time even when they are supposedly "dying".
 

Laputa_94

Member
When I do feel that way its mainly just with AAA games. But with the now countless indie games coming out these days I feel that it outweighs the faults of bigger productions.
 

Anno

Member
Eh I tune out most AAA-level stuff nowadays, but the tier right below that is fucking killing it recently. I've certainly never had so many great games to play, and many by developers that I feel pretty good about supporting.
 

bati

Member
Things are not so grim outside of AAA space. AA is making a minor comeback thanks to studios like Obsidian and publishers like Paradox, genre diversity is pretty high (more 4x games came out in the last two years than I had time to play, which is amazing), developers in this segment have pretty good communication with their communities, their games are often patched for months after release and it generally feels like games' value is shifting in favor of the consumer - people get tens or hundreds of hours from various rpgs, sims and strategy games.

And even AAA isn't all bad. We got some great RPGs over the last few years and...that's about it lol. Shady practices aside, I feel like I'm just getting too old for most of the AAA titles that have come out recently.
 
The consumers allowed all of that shit, there's no one else to blame. Just stop playing AAA games, the majority of the issues you stated won't be found in mid tier and indie games.

And as for Assassin's Creed, the games all have a 3 years development cycle thanks to being worked on by different studios (Unity was Ubi Montréal and Syndicate is Ubi Québéc) which is more time then Naughty Dogs take to develop their games
 

Nesther

Member
Nah. The positives massively outweigh the negatives you mentioned. Great time to be a gamer.

Couldn't have made a better first post.

There's obviously some questionable shit going on,but it's always those few things that get blown out of proportion.
 
And even AAA isn't all bad. We got some great RPGs over the last few years and...that's about it lol. Shady practices aside, I feel like I'm just getting too old for most of the AAA titles that have come out recently.
South Park is the best AAA game I have played in a long time. No BS.
 

akira28

Member
guys. Gaming Does Not Equal The Industry.

all these awesome innovations are awesome. Hell, some companies are getting it right, most of the time. But the industry over all has become toxic. To the consumers, to the developers, to the rank and file employees, and even to companies themselves.


personally I'm looking forward to making a real-life money bribe to a guard in a Metal Gear game to not go on security alert.
 

redcrayon

Member
I mainly play on portables rather than the AAA stuff on home consoles,and rarely play online. I'm having a great time with a mix of stuff at the moment.
There are hundreds of games coming out every year, the handful of AAA games that want £60 up front doesn't represent the whole industry.
 

truly101

I got grudge sucked!
no, I worry that a bunch of cynical hipsters seem so determined to not have any fun while the pine for the halcyon days of yore. The cycle repeats itself on and on and on.

If you find video games no longer fun, go find other shit to do.

EDIT: As far as the industry is concerned, like any other capitalist venture, it'll push the boundaries of what it can get away with until it has no more customers. Then it will either course correct or die. Support what you like and let the rest take care of itself.

EDIT2: I should point out that I'm not calling the OP a cynical jaded gaming hipster, but its an attitude I'm finding around here more and more, and I don't see its usefulness.
 

Cheech

Member
It's not all bad.

The Witcher 3 is one of the best games of the last decade. It's the first game of this gen that really showcased the new hardware and promises a very good future for the current consoles.

With Xbox Gold, PS+, and EA Access, gaming has never been cheaper. With those 3 services, you pretty much don't have to pay anything but ~160/yr. Compared to when I used to spend more than that per month for 50-60 games? It's a great deal for people without a lot of cash.

Online infrastructure on PC, Xbox, and PS is better than it's ever been.

The sheer variety of stuff to play has never been higher. New $5-$60 experiences out constantly.

It's better than it's ever been, IMO.
 

Fractal

Banned
Nah. The positives massively outweigh the negatives you mentioned. Great time to be a gamer.
Aye... I think gaming as a whole is in a very good place right now. Sure, here and there you may run into some rip-offs or shady practices or whatever, but that's how things are in any market space. All in all, the positives far outweigh the negatives as far as I'm concerned.
 
Sometimes... But then I just remind myself that PlatinumGames, From Software and Nintendo exist and that NieR 2 is coming, then I feel good again.
 

BiggNife

Member
I think if you're in a rut you should try playing something outside of your comfort zone. there are just a lot of games being made and tons of experiences to be had. i'm someone who used to buy almost every AAA release for every console but i'm playing way more indie games and going back to older games in genres i've ignored.

hell, i was one of the idiots in high school making fun of magic players and now i'm super addicted to hearthstone.

This. A thousand times this.

Some of my favorite games from the last couple years have been because I decided to take a risk on something that wasn't in my comfort zone. Monster Hunter, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, Bloodborne, etc.

So go take a risk. Try something that you never thought you'd try and see where it takes you.
 

Travo

Member
Let me see...FOB micro transactions. If enough people preorder Deus Ex then it releases earlier..........yep.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
Of course not, but I turn towards the positive - like how great gaming has become over the course of my life.

Doesn't make sense to be overly cynical and negative about it.

It's video games, you're supposed to have fun with them.

The Gamergate stuff was problematic, but it's pretty much done now.
 

PsionBolt

Member
I don't know if this makes my answer to the title "yes" or "no", but I will say that I feel my gaming experience these days tends to be largely detached from what people usually mean when they say "the industry". The picture painted by the threads I read on NeoGAF (including this one) and the world of games that I actually play look vastly different.

I guess that's kind of both a yes and a no -- I'm aware of the phenomenon you're lamenting, OP, but rather than being depressed by it, I just move away from it. Reading GAF these days is often a lot like reading international news, in a way: I read it because I want to keep up to date with the state of the world, but the knowledge I gain from it ultimately doesn't have a lot of immediate impact on my day-to-day life.

I understand this outlook doesn't appeal to many, but there's been a great, great number of worthwhile, interesting games in the past twenty years. If everyone literally just up and stopped making video games, I could pretty easily get by without noticing much for at least the rest of this decade.
 
I see evolution and experimentation. How else would they find something that works? Many people see micro-transactions as the devil incarnate, but others might find them useful or a non-issue. Consumers are smarter than most would imagine, they'll speak with their wallets if it's truly an issue. Many of these micro-transactions are shortcuts for the player that doesn't have the time to spend farming whatever they're called.

I believe that the way they're handled at the moments is nothing more than a fad. It's that me too mentality that plagues a lot of publishers. Once the revenue stream from these kinds of initiatives stops, they'll stop including them.

Think of it like motion gaming. Many people hated that it existed, and hated when developers would waste time developing for these types of control schemes. When the storm died down, and consumers were no longer buying these types of games, publishers and developers stopped producing them.

Publishers will follow the money.

There are so many new and exciting things happening in the gaming industry. It's impossible for me to be angry about something that ultimately doesn't affect me and will eventually die off.
 

chiimisu

Member
AAA industry sure, but the AA and below have been thriving. We could not have releases like Half Minute Hero 2 last gen.
AAA industry can swim in their own poop for all I care.

We are getting Rodea and Danganronpa soon...

nah, everything is fine since I just ignore AAA games these days outside of the best ones.

I'm even fine as someone that plays mostly Japanese games, amazing games keep coming out all the time even when they are supposedly "dying".

Yep, totally agreed.
My might-be-controversial-opinion:
Everyone says Japanese game industry is dying, but the thing is, I was never really interested in generic JRPGs that it's been pooping for all the 90s and I never really liked Final Fantasy to begin with. Yeah, there are lots of creepy otaku pandering, but the overall outpit is greater than it's ever been. I'd prefer my Danganronpa over other VNs, Persona series over FFs and Tales of and Project Diva over DDR any day.
 
Homogenization of the AAA space is a real problem, definitely, but then you get a game like Stasis come out and for a while those problems seem to fade away.

Also, it's not like every AAA game is turning to the shitter. SFV is looking great from a playability and roster POV (hoping the story's worth a damn this time though), RotTR and UC4 will be good popcorn fun, same with Quantum Break, etc.

They're nowhere on my radar like Rime, Tomorrow Children, Cuphead etc. are (except for SFV I guess), but they're still going to be quality experiences
 
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