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Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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That wouldn't surprise me.
Please be outraged quieter
on this subject.
Though it's curious to me that some people consider DeeJay, Fei Long, T Hawk core.I can just imagine someone (an exec) from Capcom ignoring the prevalent "pls no Dhalsim or Blanka" posts and finding a few like this one and saying "AHA, that's what the public wants! You see! What did we discuss in that meeting? More world warriors! Familiarity sells, variety fails! Ready the boxer and the green thing!"
Do you need all the Turbo cast in there for it to be a SF game?
I kinda agree. I am of the opinion that the 8 world warriors and the 4 shadowloo bosses should be in every SF.
Eh, I could do without a majority of them. The only required ones to me are Ryu, Chun-Li, & Ken. I could live without the others, though I wouldn't be opposed to Cammy or Bison if it were my call.
I like the SF4 model a lot. You have your basic 12 characters (Cammy not included in that btw) that define the game and diversify it in terms of gameplay variety, you add 4 new characters, and 8 unique picks that are either fan favorites or haven't appeared in a while. The last 1 is the boss.
Imo, every SF should be announced with the original 12 guaranteed to be in. It's that it's waaaay easier to market the product for the masses when you plaster Ryu, Ken, Gief, Sagat, Bison etc all over the promotions.
If they revamp Blanka,Honda and Rogs moveset then yea. Right now these 3 are kinda bland and not unique enough.
BronsonLee
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I'd freaking take Ingrid over Remy and I'd rather moonsault into a volcano than see Ingrid in this damn game
Of course, every returning character should be completely revamped. That's the standard when a new numbered SF title drops.
But having all 12 of them would get in the way of letting fresh new characters in, it gets stale after a while. Like I said, Ryu, Chun-Li, & Ken are the three main faces of Street Fighter. They're basically mascots at this point, which isn't something that I could say for the rest of the SFII crew. Just have those 3 & go crazy with newcomers that are new takes on classic gameplay styles & I'm happy. SFIII:NG almost achieved this, but they were missing Chun-Li. But overall, you gotta have some fresh blood every once in a while. Now that I think about, I wish that there were more newcomers in SFV.
Not a whole lot. One tweet mentioned 16 characters plus 2 veterans & 1 newcomer. While it could just be a mistake like that one guy who thought the Rashid reveal was for a veteran, it could mean that we're gonna get 1 newcomer as a boss & 2 veterans as bosses.
The Lone Dragon
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What masses? SF4 is the new SF2. Many of today's players never even touched SF2, so that roster is no longer as relevant. The SF4 one is. And, SF4 contained MUCH more than the original 12.
You saw the reaction to Gief. You saw the reaction Vega.
Compare those reactions to Mika, Karin, Laura, and Rashid.
Imagine if the final spots go to E. Honda and Balrog. Do you REALLY think that's doing the game any favors in the marketing department? Do you REALLY think Honda and Rog's rusty old "World Warrior" badges are going to carry the same weight in 2015 as they did in 1991? Just because people can recognize Dhalsim doesn't mean they will drop dollars to play the game for him.
The Alpha characters are newbies to a decent chunk of the audience, any more would start encroaching on SF3 territory.
Exactly, bring on more newcomers. Sure, keep 5 or so of the World Warriors (Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, Cammy, & M. Bison) with Akuma as DLC, but go crazy with the rest.
But Capcom can do so much with just these 12 characters. Look how awesome all Ryu, Chun, Dictator, Ken, Claw and Gief look and play in this game. And even if that's not enough, they still have another 13 characters to play around with.
No joke, I would gladly pay full price for SFV if it just had the original cast, (Provided they are of the same caliber of the current cast).
Personally speaking, I would think Honda and Rog are more well known than Urien. Even if they didn't know the character by name, all of the SF2 cast are differently more recognizable than any of the other SF characters introduced later in the series.
Honda's stage and gameplay(lol) were in a Family Guy episode.
Septimus Prime
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Don't worry. It'll probably be Balrog and Sagat as the two veteran bosses.
A mistranslation people are taking to the next level.
Zangief was honestly underwhelming (he doesn't even have his Green Hand). At least Vega had the perk of no longer being a charge character, but even I forget that he's in the game from time-to-time.
TheSpoiler
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Why do newcomers matter that much when old characters are getting drastic changes? I think people are going too far with the appearance of the game and not how it actually plays.
Exactly my point. Capcom is straight changing how longtime characters are playing.
Exactly my point. Capcom is straight changing how longtime characters are playing.
this has been the biggest stretch yet
Because when it comes to a certain veteran, people expect that veteran to play a particular way. Sure, there's room for the developers to deviate a bit, but they have to at least stay within the ballpark (Charlie & Vega to an extent are probably the exceptions, but we haven't seen Charlie in a while). With newcomers, the developers have that chance to go out there & do something completely different.
My point is basically this.
But have you seen his V-trigger and his air SPD though? Can you imagine the possibilities in a high level match. Shieeet.
TheSpoiler
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From a base standpoint, Birdie, Mika, Charlie, Vega, Gief, and Bison are different. Ryu and Chun have more options due to v stuff. Cammy is the only one that seems even particularly safe.
Like even on Bison, his movement is dependent on v stuff becuase otherwise, his walkspeed is slow as fuck.
It's fine to want more characters that are vastly different, but let's not pretend things haven't gotten updated in large ways.
The reaction for Gief,Vega would still be the same even for characters like Dudley,Cody,Ibuki or w/e.
Not fair to compare New/Non-SF4 characters and returning characters. I mean you just said SF4 is the first entry for many , so characters like Birdie,Mika are new.
Ironically, that's exactly how you get the "this looks just like Street Fighter 4" crap from passersby.
Because a lot of people like new characters in their new games that cost new game price. For some people, Dhalsim being on the character select screen gives them some kind of comfort, even if they're literally never going to pick him. For me it's a missed opportunity. I might be open to trying a new stretchy character; heck, Necro is fun to use in 3s. But I abhor a lot of these old designs, and I think Capcom should be trying to make the next classic characters, as opposed to these characters in syndication.
And to your last statement, appearance obviously matters, ask anyone about Rufus or the "freaks". It's not everything, but it's a big part of what makes a character appealing.
My only beef with Vega and Gief is that they're returning immediately after USF4. I would have benched them to DLC to make room for two other characters that we havent seen since 3S for the initial release. I don't think that would have been a terrible thing to do.
I still dont see the problem with the roster.
Its 50% SF2 and 50% New. Thats pretty similar to the Alpha series , and waay better than SF4 ( 12 SF2 , 4 new )
Are you guys suggesting the Roster be something like Ryu/Ken/Chun + All new + Non-SF4 characters? There is no way in hell Capcom would take that chance. 3S had that kind of roster.
That has nothing to do with it.MK carry over the core characters every game. Did you see them throwing away everyone except Scorpion/Subzero for MK X?
All the MK1/2 characters are in.
Why isnt everyone complaining about Reptile,Jax,LiuKang,Raiden,Cage,Sonya..returning again. And yea they killed Liu Kang once , woopdy doo. Guile wasn't in Alpha until 3.
Its 50% SF2 and 50% New. Thats pretty similar to the Alpha series , and waay better than SF4 ( 12 SF2 , 4 new )
Are you guys suggesting the Roster be something like Ryu/Ken/Chun + All new + Non-SF4 characters? There is no way in hell Capcom would take that chance. 3S had that kind of roster.
That has nothing to do with it.MK carry over the core characters every game. Did you see them throwing away everyone except Scorpion/Subzero for MK X?
All the MK1/2 characters are in.
Why isnt everyone complaining about Reptile,Jax,LiuKang,Raiden,Cage,Sonya..returning again. And yea they killed Liu Kang once , woopdy doo. Guile wasn't in Alpha until 3.
Scrub Mcgrubb
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Filth
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So get rid of the Alpha characters and add 4 newcomers? Thats cool too. Though I dont think thats what people here are complaining about.
I am trying to get what exactly is this "Dream SF V Roster" people want from just 16 characters. Coz I am pretty sure , they will find out that a lot of people hate it. Even more than the current roster.
Or get rid of 4 of the SFII veterans & make room for newcomers.
that's not Zangief
Because they look different, I'd assume. I don't play Mortal Kombat, but they do adjust character designs quite frequently.
On a related note, Chun Li felt like a total afterthought in SF4 to me. When I think SF4, I don't think Chun Li at all.
I am with you on the redesign part . which is why am surprised people are Hating on Vega and Gief instead of Cammy.
Scrub Mcgrubb
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Ayano is stopping by with SF5 in 1-2 hours.
Filth
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Lol that's how I feel. I'd take that or give the 3s characters a chance again or the ex series. I'd like to see guys like oro, q, skullomania, urien mixed with alpha guys / sf2 guys. Seeing zangeif get revealed was the most boring reveal for me. I'm
Not saying totally exclude him but he should have had a makeover like birdie.
Am sure even you guys understand how big a risk that is? Thats pretty much like the 3S Roster.
4 Familiar faces + New characters.
I mean maybe people might remember Nash to a level ( Main character of SFA + Vs Games). But Karin,Mika,Birdie might as well be treated as new characters. Unless you played Alpha 3 or CFJ.
Tons of casual SF players are going to be disappointed. ( Who are most likely not going to invest in DLC )
That said I still feel they could have extended the roster to 18 and throw in Alex and Urien. Would be pretty fairly balanced then.
Vega got changed quite a bit , didn't seem to help him a lot.
I think it's only because they got Cammy and Ryu out of the way first. Personally, I complained a bit about both of them, but I accept that Ryu is supposed to be Mr Reliable. Chun Li was a bigger disappointment for me than Cammy, because they showed her possible redesigns and they all looked better than her classic look (which should have been DLC imo).
Had Gief/Vega been shown (as is) back then, and Cammy and Chun were revealed now, I'm fairly confident we (or at least I) would be saying they were weak reveals. Idk how Cammy came to be considered so core that they give her the least amount of changes out of the whole roster, but Capcom gonna Capcom.
Edit: Vega got changed gameplay wise, but Filth said "makeover," and I agree. In terms of visual design, SFV Vega is almost 1:1 Vega w/ one of his SF4 alts. I do think Vega and Gief look interesting/fresh, from a gameplay perspective, and I plan to try them both (even tho I think historically they've been lame as fuck). But visually, bleh. Way too safe.
CoyoteSpitfire
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Lol, I wish. But, muh nostalgia wins every time. I can't tell you how many people I saw saying that they "finally had a reason to buy SFV" when Gief got announced. Capcom doesn't want to kneecap their sales for the sake of an interesting roster.
Filth
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I agree with you, I think the game could have done without him. I think minus vega add Juri and make her part of shadaloo. That would have made a lot of people happy.
Yea they should have pulled an MK X and shown SF V first with a bunhc of characters like Ryu/Chun/Cammy/Bison/Gief/Vega.
Then throw in a Ken and Nash reveal at E3 ( would have been hella hype ). Followed by the other new comers one by one.
Exactly , no matter how dissapointed everyone in this thread is. Everyone here is going to buy the game and pony up the $$$ when their character comes in.
Nexeon, you are making assumptions again.
Like I said earlier, it wasn't an assumption if it occurred multiple times. It's just that Zangief bucked the trend that was recurring for 4 months until now.
stop
Slamtastic
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MKX showed the entire number of new characters SFV has in its first (gameplay) showing.
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