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Surface Book Is Microsoft's Glorious New Laptop - twice as fast as macbook pro
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There's nothing really to compare it too though. Is there a Macbook with a touchscreen, detatchable tablet and stylus?
Does this hinge look scary to anyone else?
I just imagine a good amount of weight pushing down on it inside of a laptop case or something and the hinge snapping...
My guess they went with that design to allow air to flow freely from the dGPU that's in the keyboard base. If you notice the only vents are along the top hinge area. Remember the screen can be detached a flip closed for a tablet experience with the power of dGPU in the base.
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Also aesthetically it look like a folded book. Different, which kind of cool imo.
Wowfunhappy
Member
That doesn't quite account for the concern though.
Yes, I feel like that hinge would break.
And even with reviews, we won't find out about durability for a good six months.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Actually, the price isn't that far off from equivalent Macbook Pros, which start at $1300 and cap at $2500, as opposed to the SB's $1500-$2700 range- and MBPs don't have detachable tablet displays.
The Air runs significantly cheaper but I'm going to guess that it also has significantly lower specs- obviously we can't know that yet because MS has yet to divulge hard numbers, but they're very clearly going for MBP-tier performance, not MBA-tier.
It's nice but even for 2x the power of the Macbook pro I can't Justify spending $1900 for the integrated GPU model.
New surface is only 30% faster so unless reviews show they completely removed the throttling issue there's no reason to get either of these for me (surface pro 3 owner).
New surface is only 30% faster so unless reviews show they completely removed the throttling issue there's no reason to get either of these for me (surface pro 3 owner).
The Sarcastic Dude
Banned
Looks like a great device, but a little too rich for my blood.
They compared it to the 2012 non-retina Macbook Pro.
Source?
Pretty cool tablet/laptop. If the build quality rivals the MBP it could do well.
Performance-wise, this is a massive rip off though. Tablet ULV i5 and i7, not the full version. I get that it is for the convertible form factor, but there is no excuse for the 1gb vram dGPU.
Laptops with real i7s+970Ms cost 1300-1600 right now. Microsoft cheaps out on the cpu and gpu, so why not price it more reasonably or at least throw in a 970M?
Performance-wise, this is a massive rip off though. Tablet ULV i5 and i7, not the full version. I get that it is for the convertible form factor, but there is no excuse for the 1gb vram dGPU.
Laptops with real i7s+970Ms cost 1300-1600 right now. Microsoft cheaps out on the cpu and gpu, so why not price it more reasonably or at least throw in a 970M?
A lot powerful too
They don't even include specifics in their hardware descriptions because they know their claims would get shit on if they did.
1. No
2. Idk it's glass
3. Idk no hands on has gone that far
4. They call it "Pixel Sense" as to what that actually is in real technology and not marketing terms idk.
pinkurocket
Member
I mostly mean because of the form factor. I just think of when Apple refreshed the Macbook Pro design in 2011, it had some issues that got fixed in the 2nd iteration. The Book's hinge design and docking station concept is quite different compared to the Surface Pro.
You serious? A GTX 970M would require an entirely different chassis design and focus. This isn't meant to be a dedicated, high-end gaming laptop. There's a reason there are no metal construction, 3lb laptops with 970Ms and 12 hour battery life out there.
I'll bet money it has a GT 940M and a Skylake.
cjp
Junior Member
Based on the fact Microsoft doesn't name it even on their official spec page it's more than likely a custom design.
Just judging from the form factor and knowledge of Nvidia GPU TDPs, at best it'll be a GTX 950M with GDDR5.
I won't say you are wrong. I'm not expecting a beast of a GPU just a semi-powerful for the form factor GPU.
Trogdor1123
Member
I didnt know that, could you post a link with those details
ss_lemonade
Member
I wonder if this will have 2 batteries to reach that 12 hour batt life (one in the keyboard, one in the screen). What's the average battery life for macbook pros? Can it even come close to 12 hours?
It does. Battery on top, more on bottom.
Rofl, is this some sort of joke? This isn't aiming to be a gaming notebook. It's the perfect balance between power and portability. Putting in a 970M would mean an entirely new chassis which defeats the entire purpose of the Surface Book.
People need to look at things other than specifications when it comes to products.
lukeskymac
Member
Wow, Apple sure was shaking in its boots from all those <10% sales compared to the iPad.
Like I said before, the RDF needs some reassignment
I'm always curious about people who value this: do you not like wearing headphones? Pursuing speaker quality in this form factor is always more trouble than its worth.
3 hour battery life in tablet mode? Not everything has to be a hybrid MS, especially not with that kind of trade-off.
Also what's going on with the performance claims? 2x versus "Macbook Pro" without any specifics.
EDIT:
Surface Pro's "success" wouldn't have been a motivating factor for Apple. Flat iPad sales on the other hand were. iPad Pro is what the name describes, an attempt to capture the enterprise and creative market to boost iPad sales.
I think people selling the Surface clone narrative are trying too hard to shoehorn the iPad into a derivative Surface. The only real concept Apple lifted was the expensive stylus, which to be frank is something Apple should have done long before the Surface was even a thing.
Also what's going on with the performance claims? 2x versus "Macbook Pro" without any specifics.
EDIT:
Surface Pro's "success" wouldn't have been a motivating factor for Apple. Flat iPad sales on the other hand were. iPad Pro is what the name describes, an attempt to capture the enterprise and creative market to boost iPad sales.
I think people selling the Surface clone narrative are trying too hard to shoehorn the iPad into a derivative Surface. The only real concept Apple lifted was the expensive stylus, which to be frank is something Apple should have done long before the Surface was even a thing.
lukeskymac
Member
Source on that? Because it would make MS's performance claims bold faced lies.
Holy shit that could be brilliant. That could change the whole high end laptop game with that level of hardware upgrading.
There does not exist, a thin laptop with "good" speakers.
I just re-watched the keynote... I can't remember the last time I was so excited, the delivery was just perfection, schooled Apple at their own game.
Windows 10 is amazing too... unfortunately I cant say the same for Office, but hey, I have my Evernote and such.
Bravo Microsoft!
Windows 10 is amazing too... unfortunately I cant say the same for Office, but hey, I have my Evernote and such.
Bravo Microsoft!
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
That price though
Cheaper than comparable MacBooks, the one with the gpu is significantly cheaper.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
So not blazing but reasonably beefy.
I think it could have been doable with a slight down clock. The 970M razer blade weighs 4.2 lbs and is 0.7" thick closed. That's just 0.8 lbs more, and the razer is a bigger laptop. With the surface book, the GPU could have the whole dock to itself cooling-wise since the CPU and everything else that produces heat is in the screen. It also would not affect max battery life on the integrated graphics.
lukeskymac, I don't have a source, but just look at the design. It's a tablet with a removable keyboard/GPU/battery dock. Do you think Microsoft put a non-ULV i7 in the screen? That's impossible. Unless they put a full i7 in the dock and a separate ULV in the screen? Oh wait, but even then, the keyboard dock is too thin to support a non-ULV i7+a dGPU.
BleedOrange
Banned
Didn't say they were scared lol. iPad Pro is a Surface clone, simple as that.