And? I've heard this as a reason for not being a fanboy so many times, if I have a penny for everytime.....
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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And? I've heard this as a reason for not being a fanboy so many times, if I have a penny for everytime.....
It's almost impossible for Halo 5 to actually have the largest revenue of the series without whatever BS accounting Microsoft is spinning,
Unless there are mountains of unsold copies sitting on shelves and in warehouses, the only way Halo 5 hit $400M during its debut is by counting every Halo 5 hardware bundle's entire MSRP into the equation. I don't remember the launch of Halo Reach or Halo 4, but Halo 3 never had a day 1 pack-in (at least in North America). There was a special Halo themed 360 released around the time of Halo 3, but it didn't come with the game. The revenue figures for Halo 3 were based on the software SKUs only. Comparing that to software + bundled/themed hardware is total spin.
By Microsoft logic, Wii Sports has the highest revenue of any game in history, with well over $15B in sales.
Not x1, just halo. Sales are of the consoles aren't too interesting.
Although, I do think Asscreed is the big big story here. That franchise is enormously expensive and these numbers are truly dire. Halo's aren't at that level and if the gambling based req pack mtxs pay off, it could still be very lucrative. They need to get some of that whale money tho, like EA, and I don't know enough about the mechanics to know if that is likely.
I think Sony knew they were not going to win halo month
Xbox won it by what, 15k??
Yeah Sony lost, but they didn't get trounced like say Microsoft did when Destiny first released
Stop crying man. If you can't evaluate the numbers in the context (new games launch, future promotions, pre orders) you'll just keep running in circles.
Is the ps4 number good? No, it isn't. But it can be because of two factors:
1- pre order for the COD and Battlefront bundles are not counted.
2- people might have hold the purchase until next month, when the price drop will effectively be $100 instead of $50 (this can be said about the XB1 too)
Now, if ps4 sales in November doesn't show any improvement YoY than we can say that weren't delayed sales from October and that the price cut did nothing.
Edit: And I don't know why are you so bothered with XB1 console sales comments. The thread is much more focused on Halo numbers than hardware.
Indeed and it is funny how that works both ways, is it not?
Look, I have no problem admitting that I have enjoyed the Xbox One more the PS4 this gen. Just as I had no problem admitting that I loved PS3 more last-gen. As anyone who knows me can see. Everyone has a preference, just as most on this forum tend to gravitate towards PS4. Nothing wrong with that.
wapplew
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To be fair, not exactly 70% if you take digital and less tracking days into account, maybe 60%-45%?
There really hasn't been all that much "Xbone is doomed" comments. Most of the discussion is based on the reality of the results.
theprodigy
Member
oh man, another Fallout game that soon?
I don't know, I might need more tissue.
If you bothered to read some of my other posts, I even pointed out the same points you just made about people waiting for the holidays to buy both systems. I never disputed numbers being low and the drop off for Halo. Just how the whole thread seemed to have an 'Xbox is doomed' vibe to it, when Sony sold like shit as well.
The tone just sort of seemed that way to me at first. But I have seen plenty of rational responses as well.
Mister Megative
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This. Without Halob5 as a discussion point, we'd be saying "Oh look. October sales numbers are October sales numbers. Yaaaawwwwn."
... 35% digital sales is absurd and you know it. At most we'd be looking at 20% and even that is being optimistic.
Mister Megative
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Primethius
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I don't get it. If you agree with what he posted, why are you surprised that people are talking about Halo 5 sales?
XB1/PS4 can make up lack luster sales in November if the prevalent reasoning is true.
Halo 5 can't. It's decline is here to stay.
I will not lie, seeing Halo drop in popularity is kind of sad. I guess I can sort of see why more people are talking about it from that perspective.
You should know how GAF, and most forums for that matter, works. However, I believe that, all things considered, this thread has been tamed for the most part.
Don't let the comments that bother dictate your input, although it can be quite difficult at times.
Sorry, but i just can't see this much posts about how XB1 will sell 10 units for now on.
The most recurring comment about the hardware sales is how little Halo 5 seems to have impacted the sales. You have to remember that in addition to halo XB1 is now cheaper than last October.
Because I just entered the thread for the first time today and an 'Xbox is doomed' vibe is what the general tone seemed like. I was merely searching for some context and have since found some.
how does it work both ways? I never said the reason is due to specifically choosing one console over another...
Plus I never accused you for your personal preference. It was a statement based on your justification.
Psycho_Mantis
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Disgaea 5 won xD
I think November and December will be telling. If sales are still shit, then it might be time to worry a bit. But yes, the numbers don't lie on Halo. Kind of sad, really.
panda-zebra
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the hypocrisy is clear to see for everyone so I am not going to bother with another long explanation. you are just dancing around your comments saying you didn't mean this or you didn't mean that. i am sure it is sometimes nice to given open ended vague silly predictions like halo 5 will move some consoles or uncharted 4 will sell some consoles!!!! the point is you expected more from halo 5 the game and halo 5 the system seller and neither happened
Mister Megative
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I'm in agreement. I think it's a combination of franchise fatigue and ill will over MCC.
I didn't mean to be harsh with my earlier, raised caps statement. I just want people to understand that neither console sold poorly. Short of giving it away for 99 dollars, no game release or 50 price cut is gonna sell 450-500k consoles a month before November. Especially a middling 50 dollar price cut or a freaking 499 dollar bundle when you'll get $299 systems with free games in a matter of weeks.
travisbickle
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It's not 'Xbox is doomed' more 'a possibility of an Xbox future, one where Halo 5 sells like previous entries, is not happening' and you need to expect a forum that discusses game sales to discuss what just happened.
Thebeardofknowledge
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that was a nice mini meltdown but now ....
I personally can't see the game getting much more sales this month. Not with Black Ops 3 and Battlefront at the spotlight.
There's lots of little signs that Halo isn't that huge anymore.
The amount of commercials seemed lower, the twitch number of viewers after launch was poor. And the general hype, in spite of the great word of mouth, was really tame.
It just sort of seemed like an accusation based on how you were responding to me. And my only point as of now is that Xbox and Halo did win the month, despite shitty numbers for BOTH systems. But I have also since come to understand that Halo has been more of a focus of discussion due to the drop off of such a huge franchise. Which I never disputed anyway.
that was a nice mini meltdown but now ....
You obviously didn't even bother reading his last few replies, if you did, you'd see that he's not really in meltdown mode.
Stone Ocean
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I dunno if it's as much about Halo not being as big as it is about the MCC shitshow still being fresh on people's minds. No fanbase will survive getting alienated a year before the next main line release. If a game that used to sell over 3 millions needs word of mouth to work then something went deeply wrong.
that was a nice mini meltdown but now ....
I am actually doing fine. Thanks for reading, BTW.
I am talking about console numbers. I actually don't see Halo getting a boost, either. Not with Fallout 4, Black Ops III and Battlefront. That is just obvious and pretty sad at the same time. It's a damn fun game.
Bear Force One
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So it's seems like MCC really was the poison. 343 needs to take a hard long look to see what to do next.
Yeah, maybe MCC did damage the brand more than what I thought.
But I was thinking about it and personally to me seems like MS hyped and invested much more on Titanfall last year (With the infamous "Did you see Titanfall?") than in Halo 5.
Maybe because Titanfall was a press darling and owned all that awards.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Actually PS4 wasn't that much lower this October compared to last and that was considered a good October. And XBO did (slightly) better than PS4 this October which is much better than it did last October.
But the truth's the truth; Halo 5 did not boost XBO hardware sales as much as it should have. In fact, the game itself has seen a massive drop in initial sales compared to, say, 3 and even 4. AAA games usually sell most of their copies in the first few days; then the momentum drops massively.
There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, notably Nintendo's games, GTA5, and Skyrim, but aside from Nintendo's stuff those other two also sold big in their opening weeks. Other AAA games don't tend to have those kind of legs, Halo included, so people expecting it to magically get in the 10-13 million range over the next year or even two years are being pretty delusional or at least unhealthily optimistic.
So that's really what this thread has turned into: lack of hardware boost for XBO in Halo week, and Halo 5 having a massive drop in initial sales. Deservedly so, b/c I'm certain a similar dialog would happen if, say, GT7/Sport sees a massive decline in sales compared to 4 or 5, or PS4 sales don't get a big boost from it (though in this case European sales would be much more accurate b/c sim racers as a whole just don't seem very popular in North America).
Thebeardofknowledge
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Neither console sold like shit, sales were normal for 4 and up for 1.
The bolded is why you sound persecuted and fanboyish. If that is truly how you feel, then maybe it is time for a bit of self reflection. Gaf isn't sonyland or whatever with an agenda, it is just people.
I think it's both. AC and H5 suffered from their last offerings being shit, but most series decline after so many entries. I'm interested to see if Microsoft starts pursuing a new IP to make their flagship or tries to change Halo(which is always the wrong way to go about it IMO).
Open world WRPGs are really big right now, especially with the right marketing and brand. Witcher, TES, Fallout, Dragon Age etc. all sell well.
Stone Ocean
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Titanfall was a new IP, it needed the marketing. Microsoft was probably expecting to just coast on the name Halo used to have.
AC sure, but it's been 3 years since a mainline Halo game, it's not like they're pumping those games out. The past few Halo games have been relatively divisive, MCC was the straw that broke 343's back.
It would be true irony if the title that was meant to drive Xbox One adoption by Halo fans, ended up damaging the brand and decreasing sales for Halo 5 due to how big of a shit show it was. However, I doubt its effect was anywhere close to the level of damage AC Unity did to the AC franchise though.
Cow Goes Moo
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you know next month isn't all that interesting really, well in term of releases, it's mostly just cod, fallout and battlefront. i mean what else is there in the rustle and bustle that is holiday season?
It combines the RPG elements of Skyrim with a first person shooter which is still the most popular genre. Two popular genres combined.
I feel like a post apocalyptic wasteland and you with some guns fighting zombie-like creatures and mutants is also more accessible to mainstream gamers than wizards throwing fireballs at dragons like Skyrim.