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[Retroid]

Then it's even more of a reason to lynch him now instead of later yet you still don't want to vote for him. Why?

I don't want to vote him in this current state because we can use him.

Either we get a majority, or near majority number of people to promise they will vote for him after he reveals his role and why it is important to lynch him. That way we can use this against anyone who decides to defect after his reveal in future days. That would mean we would have at most one day of scum using his powers against him because the town would come together and vote him out the next day.

Or something else, which I can't explain, but you would have to trust me, although I would still prefer him to reveal his role because I am going off of speculation why he wants to be killed, and I think I could help him.

Both cases I've already stated in previous posts since the end of the last page.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I swear if it ends up being that ordinary has a different name that the sample one given you've just made scum's job easier

ORDINARY IS A PERFECTLY FINE ROLE GUYS

I know I was just venting... Our only power is to vote, and it's definately the most powerful

 

[Zippedpinhead]

So you're saying we have an alignment cop AND a role cop?

Having a name, but not really knowing an ability doesn't help as much as you are leading on.

If someone had investigated burb and saw "Severus Snape". Would they instantly jump to Miller? I doubt it.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

And tell scum what to look for between having a named role and a non-powered role?

Look at "Severus Snape". He appears as a death eater, but is Hogwarts aligned. This tells me two things,

1: that town (Hogwarts) has a role that can tell alignment
&
2: that there is likely a role (maybe even one each for town and scum) that can see a person's "name"

So no more names today.

Every role has a name, including ordinaries. If you are truly an ordinary townie you would have a name that no one else has. If some one else were to have the name you claim to be... That would only make you one thing:Scum.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Burbeting, I mentioned that I believe you are Snape but I don’t know if that is good or bad for us. However, after thinking about it, I do not want to vote for “Snape” because you’re probably hiding some role power that’s good for Town. Hopefully we’ll see it assuming Scum doesn’t NK you. My guess at the moment is that you have an Agreement to protect Draco while both he and Dumbledore still live. If you were a cop (or secret doctor given the Potion Master abilities) you probably wouldn’t have role claimed.

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That's a dangerous guess, precisely because it's so based in the flavor. I want to keep reiterating: going down the long, winding road of reading into the flavor is a bad waste of time for scum.

What you just did for example,w as assume we have a Draco Malfoy, Dumbeldore, and Snape and that they were all town. That's a major assumption

That also means that at least one other player has knowledge of this role.

That guess mkes too many assumptions to be taken seriously.

 

[Flame_AC]

If anyone else is thinking of claiming roles today for some reason, you really need to not do that as the Death Eaters are getting a lot of stuff they could use right now.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Every role has a name, including ordinaries. If you are truly an ordinary townie you would have a name that no one else has. If some one else were to have the name you claim to be... That would only make you one thing:Scum.

Flavor discussion: And we might have names like mad -eye moody who could go either way. names, fake or otherwise, even if they are all "individual" won't tell us one thing or another.

 

[Sawneeks]

I think that we have a better target in Burb as all we're going to do on Day 2, barring some new information from an investigator or otherwise, we'll be back to Burb. I'd rather do him today and then we can evaluate Rats! tomorrow after seeing what a night in this game is like.

Rats is alluding to something bad and I'm going to assume it means a killing power. Why should we keep that around? If Rats is willing to sacrifice himself because he might become a danger later then we should lynch him instead of Burb. We should get rid of the potential killer now and reevaluate Burb later since you really want to keep talking about him in the coming Days.

I don't want to vote him in this current state because we can use him.

Either we get a majority, or near majority number of people to promise they will vote for him after he reveals his role and why it is important to lynch him. That way we can use this against anyone who decides to defect after his reveal in future days. That would mean we would have at most one day of scum using his powers against him because the town would come together and vote him out the next day.

Why should we even keep him around for that long if even Rats said it would be better to lynch him now instead of later? Town!Rats does anything to help Town win and I'm assuming that's what's happening now as he would rather sacrifice himself to help us win than keep playing in some hope that his power won't work against him. Also 'one more day of scum using his powers'? We don't know what his powers are but going with the safe assumption of 'Lupin' it either means he can kill at Night or he can Roadblock, both of which would severely hinder Town. Instead of 1 Scum kill a Night we would end up with 2, something we don't need.

Also everything that you are saying can be used against Rats can be used the same exact way with Burb. Find out who would vote out Burb today, let Burb live and see what happens later. Except Burb apparently doesn't have a killing role while Rats does so I don't see why Burb should be lynched over Rats.

 

[Enker]

That's a dangerous guess, precisely because it's so based in the flavor. I want to keep reiterating: going down the long, winding road of reading into the flavor is a bad waste of time for scum.

What you just did for example,w as assume we have a Draco Malfoy, Dumbeldore, and Snape and that they were all town. That's a major assumption

That also means that at least one other player has knowledge of this role.

That guess mkes too many assumptions to be taken seriously.

This does not assume they are all town. In fact, Draco would be Scum in this scenario. I am not asking you to go down my rabbit hole though, it’s my own logic for not voting for Snape today.

Let’s not forget what our banned friend said about a rated 8 game from the recruitment thread:

8: This is a role madness game which where traditional mechanics are employed (or only slight deviations), but everyone or almost everyone has a role and these roles are not necessarily restricted to the normal set of roles.

As such, people who foolishly claim, without prodding, to be perfectly ordinary in this game is a scum tell for me. DON’T CLAIM UNLESS FORCED.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Flavor discussion: And we might have names like mad -eye moody who could go either way. names, fake or otherwise, even if they are all "individual" won't tell us one thing or another.

Yes they can! A scum who is trying to pass off as a town will obviously not use their real name. They will have to resort to using a fake name from the theme, which means that they could potentially pick one that is already used by a real townie! Plus, if the fake name they choose is a real streach due to the flavor, we would be able to catch them faster.

 

[Burbeting]

Yes they can! A scum who is trying to pass off as a town will obviously not use their real name. They will have to resort to using a fake name from the theme, which means that they could potentially pick one that is already used by a real townie! Plus, if the fake name they choose is a real streach due to the flavor, we would be able to catch them faster.

Scum most likely have safe claims given to them. Otherwise this game would be as easy as "hey everyone, reveal your names'"

 

[Hyperactivity]

This does not assume they are all town. In fact, Draco would be Scum in this scenario. I am not asking you to go down my rabbit hole though, it’s my own logic for not voting for Snape today.

Let’s not forget what our banned friend said about a rated 8 game from the recruitment thread:


As such, people who foolishly claim, without prodding, to be perfectly ordinary in this game is a scum tell for me. DON’T CLAIM UNLESS FORCED.

weren't Cthulhu and dangaeopa 9s?

 

[Hyperactivity]

Yes they can! A scum who is trying to pass off as a town will obviously not use their real name. They will have to resort to using a fake name from the theme, which means that they could potentially pick one that is already used by a real townie! Plus, if the fake name they choose is a real streach due to the flavor, we would be able to catch them faster.

scum have always been given a list of fake names to use in the past

 

[Retroid]

Why should we even keep him around for that long if even Rats said it would be better to lynch him now instead of later? Town!Rats does anything to help Town win and I'm assuming that's what's happening now as he would rather sacrifice himself to help us win than keep playing in some hope that his power won't work against him. Also 'one more day of scum using his powers'? We don't know what his powers are but going with the safe assumption of 'Lupin' it either means he can kill at Night or he can Roadblock, both of which would severely hinder Town. Instead of 1 Scum kill a Night we would end up with 2, something we don't need.

I wasn't saying we should keep him around after he reveals his role, which is why I've promised to vote for him when and if he does. I was more saying that if everyone pledged to vote for him and Person A decided to go against his promise, we could lynch Person A at the next chance.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Scum most likely have safe claims given to them. Otherwise this game would be as easy as "hey everyone, reveal your names'"

While that is true,(I believe GAF Mafia had that) they would still need to create a compelling explanation for their role and name.

 

[Royal_Flush]

The mod tool updates every page.

So it should be updated up to post 501 right now

I just wanted to chime in to say that's not the case. It always counts from the beginning of the current day up to the most recent post. The number displayed on the top is the last registered vote. Due to a bug it currently isn't updating that number when it registers a simple "Unvote", so that might have caused the confusion.

Also: Of course the program doesn't know crab is baned (or of any replacements) so that changes have to be made by hand.

 

[Burbeting]

While that is true,(I believe GAF Mafia had that) they would still need to create a compelling explanation for their role and name.

Sometimes they get those too.

Or they will use their possible scum pr:s (like scum tracker -> Hogwarts tracker).

 

[Swamped]

Yes they can! A scum who is trying to pass off as a town will obviously not use their real name. They will have to resort to using a fake name from the theme, which means that they could potentially pick one that is already used by a real townie! Plus, if the fake name they choose is a real streach due to the flavor, we would be able to catch them faster.

Hmm. Generally in these types of flavorful games the scum team is given a list of fake names that are not in use. So even if scum claimed a name, there probably wouldn't be a contradiction.

I'm seeing lots of soft claims. Stop it lol! STOP IT OR I'LL SMACK YOU

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

Could you perhaps indicate which way you are leaning right now?

I'm afraid to say, but probably Burb. I don't want him to dominate game discussion like EzekealRAGE did in Archer mafia. I still don't know why he would role claim almost immediately at the start in fear of investigators. Was he worried that he would seem suspicious enough that he would be investigated almost immediately? It's too precautionary.

 

[Hyperactivity]

I'm afraid to say, but probably Burb. I don't want him to dominate game discussion like EzekealRAGE did in Archer mafia. I still don't know why he would role claim almost immediately at the start in fear of investigators. Was he worried that he would seem suspicious enough that he would be investigated almost immediately? It's too precautionary.

it's a good move as a Miller, and the main strategy when playing as a Miller barring some crazy gambit iirc

imagine is he claimed after being investigated

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Sometimes they get those too.

Or they will use their possible scum pr:s (like scum tracker -> Hogwarts tracker).

Have they? I can't think of any examples.

Also, if they were to use their real role and try to spin it as a town role, they would still have to use one of the fake names. This means that the names they have might not nesicisaraly fit with the roles they have, which will help us call their bluffs.

 

[Flame_AC]

it's a good move as a Miller, and the main strategy when playing as a Miller barring some crazy gambit iirc

imagine is he claimed after being investigated

Personally, as a miller I'd play the odds game and keep it to myself until I got found out. I'd bank on the investigator going for one of the other 27 people and hope that my actions in the game are enough of an alibi for me.

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

it's a good move as a Miller, and the main strategy when playing as a Miller barring some crazy gambit iirc

imagine is he claimed after being investigated

That is true. If he claimed after investigation, the timing of it would be very suspicious.
"Despite what you saw, I'm totally not scum. I'm just a Miller guys!" *lynched that day*

 

[Hyperactivity]

Personally, as a miller I'd play the odds game and keep it to myself until I got found out. I'd bank on the investigator going for one of the other 27 people and hope that my actions in the game are enough of an alibi for me.

really? I'd prefer getting lynched right then and there if I had to instead of letting that lunch be wasted on noes crucial days

imagine if that investigation happened in a Lyle. GG town, scum just won

 

[Burbeting]

I claimed Miller automatically, because at 28 players there is a good chance of multiple investigators. I wanted to immediately destroy the possibility, that even one of them would out himself due to "finding" me as a scum. Basic strategy for a Miller.

 

[Flame_AC]

I claimed Miller automatically, because at 28 players there is a good chance of multiple investigators. I wanted to immediately destroy the possibility, that even one of them would out himself due to "finding" me as a scum. Basic strategy for a Miller.

I think that's quite the claim that there are two investigators, there's nothing to lend itself towards that idea. Even if they found you, a cop might wait to reveal themselves until later in the game, I don't think they'd ever out themselves on Day 2 for instance.

 

[Enker]

Have they? I can't think of any examples.

Also, if they were to use their real role and try to spin it as a town role, they would still have to use one of the fake names. This means that the names they have might not nesicisaraly fit with the roles they have, which will help us call their bluffs.

Archer was a good example. Look up the Scum thread there, Ouro gave them plausible explanations for a number of “fake” roles to fit the game.

Does not guarantee it happened here, but it’s 99% likely or the game would be over quickly like Burbeting said.

 

[Burbeting]

I think that's quite the claim that there are two investigators, there's nothing to lend itself towards that idea. Even if they found you, a cop might wait to reveal themselves until later in the game, I don't think they'd ever out themselves on Day 2 for instance.

It's not a claim. Just a thought, but I would have done this even if we have only one investigator.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Archer was a good example. Look up the Scum thread there, Ouro gave them plausible explanations for a number of “fake” roles to fit the game.

Does not guarantee it happened here, but it’s 99% likely or the game would be over quickly like Burbeting said.

Archer had that!?!?

Dang, I still think that it would be beneficial to reveal names later in the game, but I guess I'll have to drop it for now.

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

I've decided to VOTE: Blargonaut until he starts making sense.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

I've decided to VOTE: Blargonaut until he starts making sense.

Good luck with that.

 

[Hyperactivity]

gonna echo what someone else and ask:

Gorlak, where the hell did you go?

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

Good luck with that.

That's stupid because being vague gets you nowhere as a Town in Mafia. That is, if he is a Town.

 

[Burbeting]

That's stupid because being vague gets you nowhere as a Town in Mafia. That is, if he is a Town.

He was town in a game, where he gave an alibi for a scum for his own personal reasons.

Take that what you will.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Wasn't exactly a random choice, but wasn't thoughtfully handpicked either. I tried gathering people who were for a no lynch, but I also have people voting for players in this list too, because I think they are town.

Kawl - he was the one who suggested making a D1 alliance, but he didn't really respond when I did, so I don't know what to make of that. Also, why was he so nervous to make his own alliance in the first place? Was he scared it would get him lynched? Was he nervous about bringing too much attention to himself? I don't think that's the case, I feel like he is one of the more visible players right now. But I'll keep an eye out.

That's because I was mainly saying that in jest after seeing how the situation played out for you in the MGS game (just my opinion that the whole list contributed to your eventual D1 lynching). I still think its just an odd way of phrasing a top town list, but it is consistent with the way you played as town in that game, but that would be a pretty easy thing to emulate again.

 

[Retroid]

Vote: No Lynch

I hate to do this, but everyone has pretty much ignored my suggestion. It would have been nice for some people to at least acknowledge it, even though I don't expect everyone to agree with it.

My suggestion was that people should promise in writing to vote for Rats Off To Ya if he reveals his role and why we should kill him based on that. This way, he could feel safe to reveal this info as he would know that if people didn't follow through, they would be lynched in the short future. As well, it would be good to know why Rats Off To Ya really believes his role is bad for the town.

I will still follow through with my promise, and I hope others join me.

 

[Flame_AC]

Retroid, you're setting a huge target on yourself if you vote no lynch. It is the most anti-town move a player can make. Vote for anyone, Burb, Rats!, me, or anyone else, but don't no lynch.

 

[Drago]

edit: nuking.

 

[Drago]

edit: nuking.

 

[Sorian]

Yeah, just as a general reminder, Drago is TheWorthyEdge for all purposes in here.


Thanks for being his proxy btw.

 

[Retroid]

Why am I no lynching you ask? I don't want to get rid of Burb, and I haven't seen anyone except TheExodu5 acknowledge my plan of how we should vote out Rats Off To Ya. I don't see what is wrong with it and I'd love to hear what's wrong about it, but no one seems to want to comment on it.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

I've decided to VOTE: Blargonaut until he starts making sense.

Blarg will never make sense. No matter how many times he loses. He is destined to get bullied until the end of Gafia.

 

[Flame_AC]

Why am I no lynching you ask? I don't want to get rid of Burb, and I haven't seen anyone except TheExodu5 acknowledge my plan of how we should vote out Rats Off To Ya. I don't see what is wrong with it and I'd love to hear what's wrong about it, but no one seems to want to comment on it.

I get your opinion on Rats!, I'll phrase it like this. If Rats! reveals his role and everything and it truly is bad for the town, I'll vote for him and drop Burb until later.

 

[TheExodu5]

I don't see anything wrong with your plan, but I don't see us getting it together by the deadline tomorrow and lynching Rats is preferable to no lynching.

That being said, I'm removing my vote for zippedpinhead and am putting my vote back in for Rats. Zipped was foolish, but I'd say he was just a foolish townie at this point. No scum would bring that much attention unto themselves. If someone is willing to look through Zipped's pasts games to get a more accurate profile, go for it, but I'm not that suspicious of him anymore.

Vote: Rats Off To Ya

 

[Drago]

edit: nuking.

 

[kingkitty]

vote: rats off to ya

If you really, really think this is a good idea because your role will somehow be a hindrance to town...then okay. I guess better your role than potentially killing someone with a more helpful role.You shall be burned at the stake.

I still think Burbeting is a safe choice, but eh whatevs

 

[Sawneeks]

Why am I no lynching you ask? I don't want to get rid of Burb, and I haven't seen anyone except TheExodu5 acknowledge my plan of how we should vote out Rats Off To Ya. I don't see what is wrong with it and I'd love to hear what's wrong about it, but no one seems to want to comment on it.

????

Why should we even keep him around for that long if even Rats said it would be better to lynch him now instead of later? Town!Rats does anything to help Town win and I'm assuming that's what's happening now as he would rather sacrifice himself to help us win than keep playing in some hope that his power won't work against him. Also 'one more day of scum using his powers'? We don't know what his powers are but going with the safe assumption of 'Lupin' it either means he can kill at Night or he can Roadblock, both of which would severely hinder Town. Instead of 1 Scum kill a Night we would end up with 2, something we don't need.

Also everything that you are saying can be used against Rats can be used the same exact way with Burb. Find out who would vote out Burb today, let Burb live and see what happens later. Except Burb apparently doesn't have a killing role while Rats does so I don't see why Burb should be lynched over Rats.

I swear I'm being ignored.

tl;dr Keep Rats alive and his power could be used against him leading to a possible extra Night Kill we don't need. Lynch him now and get that out of the way instead of letting it slide by and put Town at risk.

 

[kingkitty]

Skimming this thread, I do agree that Rats should at least reveal what his role is. Curious why he isn't. Is he afraid we won't lynch him because of the role?

Perhaps his role is contingent on him dying (but isn't tanner), and he doesn't want to give his plan away.

I'm currently in deep thought, rubbing my chin.

 

[Arkos]

Why am I no lynching you ask? I don't want to get rid of Burb, and I haven't seen anyone except TheExodu5 acknowledge my plan of how we should vote out Rats Off To Ya. I don't see what is wrong with it and I'd love to hear what's wrong about it, but no one seems to want to comment on it.

As others have said, we understand your plan and some may agree with it, but you're not going to coerce people into following it and it doesn't look like it's taking off, thus people aren't paying it much mind. I agree that no lynch is a bad idea too. (I'll be voting before the day is over, I guess I'm leaning rats too but I am genuinely perplexed at his claim. I'll think on it and see if I can provide any input that isn't pure speculation.)

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Skimming this thread, I do agree that Rats should at least reveal what his role is. Curious why he isn't. Is he afraid we won't lynch him because of the role?

Perhaps his role is contingent on him dying (but isn't tanner), and he doesn't want to give his plan away.

I'm currently in deep thought, rubbing my chin.

I just don't want to get into specifics, in case I'm not the one to eat it today. I'm also nervous that somebody out there has the ability to override. I don't know why they'd use it today, but it's a contingency one must plan for. It's just safer for me to keep my mouth shut for now and let my role text do the talking.

I will say, however, that Hyper and Sawneeks are on the right track with their speculation.