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Harry Potter [Mafia] |OT| “Yer a werewolf, ‘Arry”

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Retroid

Member
Sawneeks said:
I swear I'm being ignored.

tl;dr Keep Rats alive and his power could be used against him leading to a possible extra Night Kill we don't need. Lynch him now and get that out of the way instead of letting it slide by and put Town at risk.
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Retroid said:
I wasn't saying we should keep him around after he reveals his role, which is why I've promised to vote for him when and if he does. I was more saying that if everyone pledged to vote for him and Person A decided to go against his promise, we could lynch Person A at the next chance.
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I swear I'm being ignored... What you said was not what I was getting at, and you can see I further clarified and then you didn't respond.
 
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Retroid

Member
Arkos said:
As others have said, we understand your plan and some may agree with it, but you're not going to coerce people into following it and it doesn't look like it's taking off, thus people aren't paying it much mind. I agree that no lynch is a bad idea too. (I'll be voting before the day is over, I guess I'm leaning rats too but I am genuinely perplexed at his claim. I'll think on it and see if I can provide any input that isn't pure speculation.)
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If some may agree with it, why has no one said anything. Likewise, why has no one said they disagree with it outright. It's not taking off because everyone has skipped over it.

I think you all are crazy blindly voting for him when there is a way to both hear what he has to say about his role and guarantee that people can be held accountable for their vote if they don't follow through with it.
 
L

Lord of Castamere

Member
I caught up with the rats affair and I agree. As of right now Rats is now the best option for a Day 1 lynch. A town role that works against us is bad indeed. I wish he'd reveal what the role is though and let us decide on that.

Kill Rats today and using what information we get from it to revisit Blurb tomorrow. Good plan, with no lynched doctors hopefully.

Vote: Rats off to ya
 
Y

YesNOnoNOYes

Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Rats Off To Ya (10)
Hyperactivity
Retroid
Burbeting
Kawl_USC
Rynam
Kalor
MagnumBoy20xx
TheExodu5
Enker
TheExodu5
kingkitty
Lord of Castamere

Burbeting (3)
TheGoddamn
Crab
Blargonaut
Flame_AC
kingkitty
TheWorthyEdge
Lord of Castamere

Blargonaut (3)
roytheone
Gorlak
TheAwesomePossum

Lord of Castamere (2)
Blargonaut
Swamped

No Lynch (1)
Gorlak
Rynam
TheExodu5
Retroid
Retroid

Flame_AC (0)
Kalor
Hyperactivity

Arkos (0)
Lone_Prodigy

Swamped (0)
Burbeting

Rynam (0)
Hyperactivity
roytheone
Zippedpinhead

TheAwesomePossum (0)
kingkitty

Sawneeks (0)
Swamped

Hyperactivity (0)
kingkitty

Matt Attack (0)
Lord of Castamere

MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Bananaspaceprincess

Retroid (0)
Zippedpinhead

Gorlak (0)
MagnumBoy20xx

Zippedpinhead (0)
TheExodu5


No active vote for Day 1:
Arkos
Bananaspaceprincess (has previously voted)
Christina Mackenzie
Crab (has previously voted)
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
Matt Attack
Rats Off To Ya
Sawneeks
Zippedpinhead (has previously voted)



Day 1 ends:
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15 votes for majority
 
B

Blargonaut

Banned
roytheone said:
I find it kind of funny that a lot of the arguments against Burbeting are in the line of "he will be a distraction later in the game", while we have blarg running around doing his traditional thingy which will probably be much more of a distraction for us later in the game then burb.

VOTE: Blargonaut

In the beginning of the game he said he was pro no-lynch, but in the meantime he has put votes on burbeting and now LoC without really explaining his reasoning. I know asking blarg for explanation is probably a fools errand, but hey, I am going to try it anyway :)
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Gorlak said:
Roy, I like your way of thinking. I was going to call out on Blarg, but you were faster. He has been nothing but cryptic.

Vote: Blargonaut

As we can see Burb is the main topic and will be tomorrow, no matter how he defends himself ("trust me"&"don't talk about me"?). I can see myself jumping on the wagon against him, to have the distraction out of the way. Even if I tend to believe him. Argh, but maybe... I don't know.

I don't have much time at the moment, but somebody had a solid reasoning against burb until he mentioned letting neutrals win because it's fun. Have to look into this tomorrow, it was really weird to read.
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TheAwesomePossum said:
I've decided to VOTE: Blargonaut until he starts making sense.
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TheAwesomePossum said:
That's stupid because being vague gets you nowhere as a Town in Mafia. That is, if he is a Town.
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Apply yourselves

Rats Off To Ya said:
Alright guys. I wanted to let this day play out as naturally as possible before dropping this, and now we're approaching the deadline. I promise you, this isn't a gambit. I didn't come to this decision lightly, but I believe it's for the best.

I am Town, and I have a role. But I consider my role to be very anti-Town. Ideally I would simply choose not to utilize it, but that choice won't always be given to me. I believe I am too dangerous to be kept alive. I am intentionally being vague about this, because if I survive into the night, the enemy could use this information against us.

Some of you are nervous about hitting a powerful role, and four of you are even voting for the dreaded No Lynch. I am offering myself as a safe lynch target for today. Put your vote on me, and we can eliminate a liability.
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Hat's off to ya
 
S

Sawneeks

Banned
Retroid said:
I swear I'm being ignored... What you said was not what I was getting at, and you can see I further clarified and then you didn't respond.
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I even double checked to make sure I wasn't missing something. My mistake. :(

To answer your response; I still think you can use that same principle but with what happened early with Burb. There a multiple people who pledged or said something about lynching him at Day's end before Rats even came forward and you can use that info when the time comes to lynch Burb. What I disagree with is keeping Rats around just to play your gambit when Rats has said he could be a real danger to Town. Burb hasn't said that or even hinted at it so if we want to run a gambit with him it would be much safer than using Rats and his mystery power. Keeping Rats around could mean more deaths and I don't want to run that risk.

Also, like I suggested earlier, it could be Rats can't talk about the details. Or he is lying altogether and we are about to unless mayhem. BUT I would much rather risk lynching a possible murderer than a possible miller.

Vote: Rats Off To Ya
 
H

Hyperactivity

Banned
Rats Off To Ya said:
I just don't want to get into specifics, in case I'm not the one to eat it today. I'm also nervous that somebody out there has the ability to override. I don't know why they'd use it today, but it's a contingency one must plan for. It's just safer for me to keep my mouth shut for now and let my role text do the talking.

I will say, however, that Hyper and Sawneeks are on the right track with their speculation.
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yay, I love being on the right track

at this time, I'd like to again ask all that haven't voted to vote, for absolutely anyone really, even if all of you were to vote for me
 
K

Kawl_USC

Member
Retroid said:
If some may agree with it, why has no one said anything. Likewise, why has no one said they disagree with it outright. It's not taking off because everyone has skipped over it.

I think you all are crazy blindly voting for him when there is a way to both hear what he has to say about his role and guarantee that people can be held accountable for their vote if they don't follow through with it.
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Rats has made it pretty clear that he thinks that in his opinion it is better if he does not reveal any of the specific details of his role. He has stated that he feels his role could be a danger to the town and used against us.

Either he is telling the truth or he is lying. If he is lying and was pressed for a role reveal in detail, he can simply lie once more (there are a few reasonable examples already provided by people during the lore delving earlier in the thread). If he is telling the truth, then I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and trust him when he says he doesn't want to reveal any more role details.

Either way, pressing him for more details and hanging the threat of not lynching him (and putting the town at risk N1) doesn't really seem to be that strong of a move.
 
R

Retroid

Member
Sawneeks said:
To answer your response; I still think you can use that same principle but with what happened early with Burb. There a multiple people who pledged or said something about lynching him at Day's end before Rats even came forward and you can use that info when the time comes to lynch Burb. What I disagree with is keeping Rats around just to play your gambit when Rats has said he could be a real danger to Town. Burb hasn't said that or even hinted at it so if we want to run a gambit with him it would be much safer than using Rats and his mystery power. Keeping Rats around could mean more deaths and I don't want to run that risk.

Also, like I suggested earlier, it could be Rats can't talk about the details. Or he is lying altogether and we are about to unless mayhem. BUT I would much rather risk lynching a possible murderer than a possible miller.

Vote: Rats Off To Ya
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I don't think you can use the same principles on Burb. Burb doesn't want to die and he has already explicitly claimed that he has revealed everything about his role.

If Rats can't talk about the details, that is a different story, but that doesn't stop us all from pledging to vote for him if he reveals it. I never said anything about not voting for him if he doesn't reveal anything more, that is up to each individual to decide for themselves. I more wanted to show Rats that if he came out with all the details, he could feel safe that people would at least be held accountable for their votes.
 
T

TheAwesomePossum

Banned
On second thought...
Rats Off To Ya said:
It's not a gambit. I'm telling you my role is dangerous to Town. If I'm alive, there's a very good chance this game will become harder for us to win.

As I said, I am intentionally being vague about this. If you're curious about my role, there's a real easy way to see my role text.
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So this is a case of wanting to be lynched as a sacrifice for the greater good of Town players? Wat. I don't know what to do... I'll just wait and see for a few hours, and then decide if I should change my vote.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Retroid said:
I don't think you can use the same principles on Burb. Burb doesn't want to die and he has already explicitly claimed that he has revealed everything about his role.

If Rats can't talk about the details, that is a different story, but that doesn't stop us all from pledging to vote for him if he reveals it. I never said anything about not voting for him if he doesn't reveal anything more, that is up to each individual to decide for themselves. I more wanted to show Rats that if he came out with all the details, he could feel safe that people would at least be held accountable for their votes.
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I mean that is kind of the implied second half of the agreement, isn't it? At least that's what I had assumed from what you have been saying. Otherwise, what's the point? And it seems a bit odd to say, lets all make an agreement to absolutely vote for him if he reveals his role, and any one who signs on and then changes his opinion is on the hot seat, but if absolutely no more information comes out, everyone is free to do what they want.

A fixed path shouldn't be decided on before information is revealed. Doesn't really make sense to me.
 
R

Retroid

Member
Kawl_USC said:
Rats has made it pretty clear that he thinks that in his opinion it is better if he does not reveal any of the specific details of his role. He has stated that he feels his role could be a danger to the town and used against us.

Either he is telling the truth or he is lying. If he is lying and was pressed for a role reveal in detail, he can simply lie once more (there are a few reasonable examples already provided by people during the lore delving earlier in the thread). If he is telling the truth, then I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and trust him when he says he doesn't want to reveal any more role details.

Either way, pressing him for more details and hanging the threat of not lynching him (and putting the town at risk N1) doesn't really seem to be that strong of a move.
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The only way I can see it not being beneficial is if he thinks people will stop voting for him after he does a reveal. Getting 50% of the people, or even less, to pledge they will vote for him if he reveals his role/intentions should give him the safety, and would be beneficial to town as anyone who doesn't follow through could be considered scum.

As far as pressing for more details, and not lynching if he doesn't go through with it, I guess I more thought it would be up to the individual if they wanted to follow through with the lynch even if he didn't reveal his role and whatnot. For myself, I can't see the negatives to it for both the town and Rats, which is why I don't plan to vote for him unless my request is made. If he can give some, I'd be glad to reconsider, but it looks like he will get the votes even without my protest, so it's not like it matters.

If it turns out he can't reveal anything, that's a different story and I don't know how to deal with that. But, I don't think he has lead us to believe that, unless he is also not allowed to say anything about not being allowed to say anything.
 
R

Retroid

Member
Kawl_USC said:
I mean that is kind of the implied second half of the agreement, isn't it? At least that's what I had assumed from what you have been saying. Otherwise, what's the point? And it seems a bit odd to say, lets all make an agreement to absolutely vote for him if he reveals his role, and any one who signs on and then changes his opinion is on the hot seat, but if absolutely no more information comes out, everyone is free to do what they want.

A fixed path shouldn't be decided on before information is revealed. Doesn't really make sense to me.
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I agree, my pledge was flawed, but I think I was on the right track. Why you didn't, or anyone else say anything earlier, I have no clue. We could change it so that the pledge is to vote for him after he talks, if we all agree that what he has said is detrimental to the town. Of course this discussion would be public for anyone to see, judge, and get reads off of, which in the long run would be very useful.
 
H

Hyperactivity

Banned
Retroid said:
The only way I can see it not being beneficial is if he thinks people will stop voting for him after he does a reveal. Getting 50% of the people, or even less, to pledge they will vote for him if he reveals his role/intentions should give him the safety, and would be beneficial to town as anyone who doesn't follow through could be considered scum.

As far as pressing for more details, and not lynching if he doesn't go through with it, I guess I more thought it would be up to the individual if they wanted to follow through with the lynch even if he didn't reveal his role and whatnot. For myself, I can't see the negatives to it for both the town and Rats, which is why I don't plan to vote for him unless my request is made. If he can give some, I'd be glad to reconsider, but it looks like he will get the votes even without my protest, so it's not like it matters.

If it turns out he can't reveal anything, that's a different story and I don't know how to deal with that. But, I don't think he has lead us to believe that, unless he is also not allowed to say anything about not being allowed to say anything.
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the main thing about the pledges idea is that I do think people should have a choice in this. when they would have pledged, they might have thought one thing. For rats reveals and they want the change their vote, that's their right.

it makes no different result of you've somehow blood oath pledged or if you've just voted and learn after
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Retroid said:
The only way I can see it not being beneficial is if he thinks people will stop voting for him after he does a reveal. Getting 50% of the people, or even less, to pledge they will vote for him if he reveals his role/intentions should give him the safety, and would be beneficial to town as anyone who doesn't follow through could be considered scum.

As far as pressing for more details, and not lynching if he doesn't go through with it, I guess I more thought it would be up to the individual if they wanted to follow through with the lynch even if he didn't reveal his role and whatnot. For myself, I can't see the negatives to it for both the town and Rats, which is why I don't plan to vote for him unless my request is made. If he can give some, I'd be glad to reconsider, but it looks like he will get the votes even without my protest, so it's not like it matters.

If it turns out he can't reveal anything, that's a different story and I don't know how to deal with that. But, I don't think he has lead us to believe that, unless he is also not allowed to say anything about not being allowed to say anything.
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I would imagine any role that has a built in rule like this, would include the sub rule that saying you can't say anything about it counts as saying something about it.

One of his most recent posts mentioned concerns about a vote override and things of that nature. I believe he is hedging his bets due to the unknown role of the many PRs in this game.
 
T

TheAwesomePossum

Banned
After reading a few more responses, Rats seems to really want this. I've never seen someone literally tell everyone to lynch him in Mafia before.

So.....

As you wish. Vote: Rats Off To Ya
 
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Sawneeks

Banned
Retroid said:
I don't think you can use the same principles on Burb. Burb doesn't want to die and he has already explicitly claimed that he has revealed everything about his role.

If Rats can't talk about the details, that is a different story, but that doesn't stop us all from pledging to vote for him if he reveals it. I never said anything about not voting for him if he doesn't reveal anything more, that is up to each individual to decide for themselves. I more wanted to show Rats that if he came out with all the details, he could feel safe that people would at least be held accountable for their votes.
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Go back and take a look at who wanted to vote out Burb and compare it to where they stand now, you can already start to see some stuff pop out. Same with those who didn't vote Burb but are more than willing to jump against Rats. It won't mean much now but in a few Day phases patterns might show up more and all we need to do is look back at bandwagons.

It doesn't stop any of us but there is a big difference between a pledged vote and a hard, concrete vote. For whatever reason Rats can't say anything or, more specifically, won't say anything so I don't think a threat will go very far with him. But the people who are currently voting for him are going to be held accountable for whatever happens next, myself included.

TheAwesomePossum said:
On second thought...

So this is a case of wanting to be lynched as a sacrifice for the greater good of Town players? Wat. I don't know what to do... I'll just wait and see for a few hours, and then decide if I should change my vote.
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I'm starting to get some serious Dangan!CzarTim vibes and I don't like it either. My vote stays but only because I feel he is a better choice than Burb/No Lynch.
 
K

Kawl_USC

Member
UNVOTE: Rats Off to Ya

With the nearness of the majority in mind. Don't want the last 12 hours of the discussion to get wasted.
 
O

Ourobolus

Banned
So, I don't want to be THAT guy, but I don't want Mafia to start having problems with the mods with the whole TheWorthyEdge/Drago thing. I get that temp bans can be problematic for these games, but there are some potential issues.

Best case, nothing happens.
Worst case, both TWE and Drago are perma-banned:

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It might be best if TWE/Crab post on Outer GAFia and one of the gamerunners (or non-players, like YNNNY) posts it in here for them. I know it's pretty close to the same thing, but it's at least a bit different than posts 589/595.
 
B

Blargonaut

Banned
Ourobolus said:
So, I don't want to be THAT guy, but I don't want Mafia to start having problems with the mods with the whole TheWorthyEdge/Drago thing. I get that temp bans can be problematic for these games, but there are some potential issues.

Best case, nothing happens.
Worst case, both TWE and Drago are perma-banned:



It might be best if TWE/Crab post on Outer GAFia and one of the gamerunners (or non-players, like YNNNY) posts it in here for them. I know it's pretty close to the same thing, but it's at least a bit different than posts 589/595.
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You broke my immersion, Ourob

I hope you're happy
 
C

Christina Mackenzie

Member
Sawneeks said:
I'm starting to get some serious Dangan!CzarTim vibes and I don't like it either. My vote stays but only because I feel he is a better choice than Burb/No Lynch.
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Yeah, Zippedpinhead mentioned that as well. Rats has been pretty much silent up till the reveal so it's hard to make anything of it.

Having seen what Burbeting has provided, I'm inclined to believe he's Hogwarts and would prefer to keep him around for Day 2.

It looks like a No Lynch isn't on the cards today... I'm ok with seeing Rats off but part of me is hesitant to do so.
 
Arkos

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
Ourobolus said:
So, I don't want to be THAT guy, but I don't want Mafia to start having problems with the mods with the whole TheWorthyEdge/Drago thing. I get that temp bans can be problematic for these games, but there are some potential issues.

Best case, nothing happens.
Worst case, both TWE and Drago are perma-banned:

It might be best if TWE/Crab post on Outer GAFia and one of the gamerunners (or non-players, like YNNNY) posts it in here for them. I know it's pretty close to the same thing, but it's at least a bit different than posts 589/595.
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YOURE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!!!!!
 
R

Retroid

Member
Sawneeks said:
Go back and take a look at who wanted to vote out Burb and compare it to where they stand now, you can already start to see some stuff pop out. Same with those who didn't vote Burb but are more than willing to jump against Rats. It won't mean much now but in a few Day phases patterns might show up more and all we need to do is look back at bandwagons.

It doesn't stop any of us but there is a big difference between a pledged vote and a hard, concrete vote. For whatever reason Rats can't say anything or, more specifically, won't say anything so I don't think a threat will go very far with him. But the people who are currently voting for him are going to be held accountable for whatever happens next, myself included.
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Okay, I re-read, or rather skimmed a lot of what has been talked about with Burb and the people who voted for him, and now what is happening with Rats. I agree, there will be most likely lots of useful information there, although I'm not sure what, I'm sure you don't know either until we get deeper into this game.

The pledge wasn't much more than an idea, and it is flawed. I guess I wanted to figure out a way in which we could get more information while making sure that people could be held accountable. Of course, if people decided to defect, they could always post why they did such, with a good explanation using the extra info Rats would provide. I don't see how I can hold people accountable for voting for Rats right now when there is a good amount of people voting for him, more than there are likely anti-town people.
 
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Sawneeks

Banned
Christina Mackenzie said:
Yeah, Zippedpinhead mentioned that as well. Rats has been pretty much silent up till the reveal so it's hard to make anything of it.

Having seen what Burbeting has provided, I'm inclined to believe he's Hogwarts and would prefer to keep him around for Day 2.

It looks like a No Lynch isn't on the cards today... I'm ok with seeing Rats off but part of me is hesitant to do so.
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The wounds from Dangan are never going to go away, are they? D:

It's fairly early on so I'm hoping if this does blow up in everyone's face we can recover from it. Maybe Rats is Scum? But I can only really see this as a Scum tactic if it was an Override but even then...why use it early? A Neutral could be something and we have the Town claim..
 
R

Retroid

Member
Rats Off To Ya, I am hoping to get a reply from you, but understand if I don't. Can you tell us if you are allowed to state whether (if, of course you desired too) you can speak about your role and power?
 
R

Retroid

Member
Ourobolus said:
It might be best if TWE/Crab post on Outer GAFia and one of the gamerunners (or non-players, like YNNNY) posts it in here for them. I know it's pretty close to the same thing, but it's at least a bit different than posts 589/595.
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I was curious if anyone knows, why aren't the games just fully played on Outer GAFia?
 
O

Ourobolus

Banned
Retroid said:
I was curious if anyone knows, why aren't the games just fully played on Outer GAFia?
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This all started on GAF, and we'd like to keep it here. It's easier to do with the pre-existing community.

The main games will be kept here, but for some smaller or experimental games we may use Outer GAFia, as well as other chats needed for the main games.
 
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Rats Off To Ya

Banned
There's nothing in my role text forbidding me from revealing details about my role. I have simply chosen not to, for reasons I have elaborated on.

Also, would you believe I have a flair for the dramatic? Role reveals are such an exciting part of this game. I'd hate to take the surprise away from all of you. ;p
 
R

Retroid

Member
Rats Off To Ya said:
There's nothing in my role text forbidding me from revealing details about my role. I have simply chosen not to, for reasons I have elaborated on.

Also, would you believe I have a flair for the dramatic? Role reveals are such an exciting part of this game. I'd hate to take the surprise away from all of you. ;p
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I hope everyone unvotes after reading this, and considers a new path of action to take.
 
B

Blargonaut

Banned
Retroid said:
Rats Off To Ya, I am hoping to get a reply from you, but understand if I don't. Can you tell us if you are allowed to state whether (if, of course you desired too) you can speak about your role and power?
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So, I'm gonna counter what Retroid said above and

NO COMPROMISE

YOU HEAR ME, RATS

YOU CAN'T SPELL '800 FEET' WITHOUT 'BINARY CHOICE'

THIS IS THE PINNACLE OF DECISION-DRIVEN STORYTELLING


NO
COMPROMISE
 
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