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GameStop: Halo 5 digital sales are in line with other AAA game releases
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MisterR
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People aren't rooting for the game to fail. They are rooting for common sense discussion. These made up, pie in the sky, delusions of Halo selling millions digitally don't help anyone and they lower the quality of discussion. You can't have an honest, grown up discussion of the sales and the implications without having to explain this shit over and over.
Some of us have, but you refuse to accept the facts anyway, so most of us just gave up.
Looking at sales of the big franchises in the UK, it looks like the quality of the previous entry is what dictates sales the most.
boredandlazy
Member
How about you prove what you're saying is right? The onus is on the person making the claim. And anecdotal evidence does not count.
Also we're talking about actual figures here, not vague numbers(like harware/software revenue) that don't actually state anything concrete.
At least with what Gamestop is saying we have comparable data to relate to.
But anyway, you've been posed this question repeatedly and we're still at the same point. So I don't know why I'm bothering.
Right, let me be clear. I think that the digital split was around 30-40% on launch week, which if true, put the launch around Halo 2 numbers, just short if I remember rightly.
I'm saying it seems plausible due the fact of how much it sold physically and the fact that it was the best selling digital title on the platform.
I haven't been given anything otherwise. The only argument is the metric is in revenue, which isn't true, as it would of been worded that way.
MisterR
Member
You've been given ample evidence. MS isn't going to come out and tell you so you'll have to use some common sense. We have Cosmic's long list of examples from publishers. You have the CEO of MS's biggest retail partner telling you they have constant discussions with MS and Halo wasn't a huge outlier. You have several insiders with industry connections and insight telling you this is the case. On the other hand, what evidence do you have for your stance. You have the fact that several of your friends buy games digitally and some shaky, vague MS PR statements.
It can but its at best completely tangential to the current discussion and the aforementioned posts were not in reference to any effect on sales they were simply stating their opinions on the quality of the game regardless on the context of the thread at large.
I don't think anyone here is actually arguing that it failed. That sort of language is reserved for things like The Order or Rise of the Tomb Raider that have incredibly low sales in even their strongest markets. What people are saying is that Halo is in the midst of a steep decline. One that has many possible causes but inevitably leads to the conclusion that franchise is less appealing now than it was in the past. For some reason people take this to mean "failure" when it really isn't. It just means it's smaller than it was and something needs to happen in order to stem the waning tide of public opinion on the franchise if they want to see it growing again. I honestly have no idea why people are so adamantly against this observation but you would think we are demanding the crucifixion of master chief the way some are going on about it any time this discussion occurs.
Right, so last year if 10% of AW XBO sales were digital, simply for NPD and for that month (not going by global numbers as I don't have them), that'd mean it sold 146k copies digitally. Or 219k if you make it 15% digital.
Now Halo 5 sold what, 935k? If 20% of those sales were digital, that'd make 187k. Depending on the digital sales split of AW, Halo 5 could be the best selling Xbox One digital title ever, even with a 20% digital split.
In terms of guessing what the split could have been with Advanced Warfare, bare in mind, in Germany last year, digital sales accounted for only 9% of all sales.
Source
And these are other notable splits.
Based on the above, I'm sure Halo 5's digital split is on the higher end of the norm, but I can't see it being close to half. GameStop is most probably accurate.
travisbickle
Member
Digital copies are a sub-set of the market, it's common sense they'll be a similar ratio across different games.
"We have nothing to believe it is higher". Meaning, we don't know, so we're going to assume based on other publishers.
If they said, "it aligns with AAA titles on the current-gen consoles" then yeah, I wouldn't be saying this.
ethomaz
Banned
I have a hard time believing MS said "best selling" in units terms in a revenue PR.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I am a gamer and I don't mind bugs and issues (and I think that has been a lot of the issue) but what I do care about is design and gameplay and imo that is wehre games like UC, tomb raider, MGSV have really really failed. So, I am happy to see these things failed so developers can actually start being creative and making things fun to simply play.
I'm sick of cut scenes and graphics trying to sell people.
It's time to add fun game play ideas, physics and better game play experiences to the mix. At least I hope that is what a push will be.
I'm not from the uk, but I appreciate you guys who are
MisterR
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based on conversations with Microsoft. "We are in constant discussions with all publishers and platform-holders and we believe that all major full-game titles launched in this quarter were in line with previously announced digital download levels," he said.
I'm done discussing this with you at this point. Believe what you want to believe.
The definition of best selling:
"selling in greater quantities than others of same same kind"
ethomaz
Banned
lol
MS or others companies never used "best selling" for revenue sales... ohhhhh wait they just do that every year.
You are unbelievable.
They believe, they don't know. Key word, believe.
So in a PR statement where it specifically states it's the highest grossing Halo title, then say it's also the best selling digitally, they're on about revenue?
Your unbelievable. You guys say I'm stubborn.
DeepEnigma
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Jack The Nipper
Banned
I agree with you a bt that this thread is about the digital issue, but it's already a bit silly and over played by people that it makes more sense to point to game play aspects, but I apologize for going a bit off topic in that respect.
I have no idea who leeh is, but man is this guy sort of a guy who typically trys to make things feel like he is pro MS or something?
it would be nice to have digital sales but it's hard to talk about something no one really knows. At least that is why I refrain from it, it's rather stupid to feel the numbers are this versus this when it is being hidden.
If we had a realistic guess that we can agree on for actual sales then that's different. I have a feeling if this thing bombs for november we will be back here again...
ethomaz
Banned
You know it is not the "highest grossing Halo title" if you add hardware and what MS added to Halo 5 sales to previous titles lol
That is what we call spin.
When you need to combined everything you have related to a title to beat previous titles with only game sales... you know how it is bad.
Leeh what the fuck man. This is getting ridiculous. I gave you two separate reasons why over 50 posts ago
Can you stop with this shit please. It's one thing to refute arguments or oppose them. It's another thing entirely to constantly claim they don't exist. Repeatedly. Stop it.
We already had several insiders saying that Halo 5 is within the common percentage for digital sales, around 20%. Furthermore, that list of digital sales percentages from publishers keeps getting posted in this kind of threads, but you chose to ignore them. The Witcher 3, a PC centric game, had only 25% digital sales in total. I shouldn't have to tell you that most of the sales on PC are on Steam, contributing a very large portion of digital sales. You have evidence and insight right in front of you, yet you choose to use your friends and Microsoft's PR as evidence. This is the reason many of us just gave up debating with you.
Developers who're clued up technically with the consoles don't know sales figures. Unless we've got people who work for MS and have stated this.
You don't believe the MS PR, it said best selling, means number of copies not revenue.
I'm out.
Homework for the next thread:
How can a physical/digital split of a game align with other titles when it's been outperformed physically by other games, but is the best selling digital title?
Clue: It's not that the metric is store revenue.
boredandlazy
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MisterR
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Because the two statements have nothing to do with one another. If they said Halo is the best selling Xbox One game of all time for opening week and it was outsold by other games at retail. Then you could say, well they had to make up for it with digital. They didn't say that. They said it was the best selling digital title, which has no connection to how much it sold physically.
The best part is how you dismiss what an executive at Gamestop says because he didn't use certain terms, but then you think it's ok to pull the 30-40% figure straight out of your asshole and use it in an argument. You have literally NO evidence to back up your number. Just stop. Please.
More digital sales = higher digital split.
That's it, I give up. You're free to believe Halo 5 had a 900% digital sales figure if it helps you sleep at night. Frankly, I never met anyone on this forum as stubborn as you. The Artisan made a ridiculous claim of the XB1 selling to 1% of China's population, which remains a meme to this day, but at least he was willing to learn from his mistakes. With you, it's a never ending cycle of your own beliefs. You're like the Sales GAF equivalent of thelastword.
Game A sells 1.000.000 copies
Game B sells 999.999 copies
100.000 of said A copies are digital
100.001 of said B copies are digital.
A outsold B, B is the best selling digital title.
The split is still 10% (sorry, 10,00011% in the case of B, that is! higher split!)
of course this is an extreme example, but the constellation of Halo 5 being the "best selling title digitally", yet "underperforming physically" is still possible, even with a split aligning with other titles.
(21% aligns with 15-20%, you know)
There's been plenty of examples of that not being the case!
Hahaha, you honestly think that I think that?
To be fair he did abandon the 90% digital and change it to 30-40%, and while more reasonable, still reaching very very far without proof to back it up.
Did you seriously just try to assign ME homework on the details of these sales as if I don't know what we are talking about? Ok that's it. I have argued these pints with you REPEATEDLY only to have you either ignore my arguments even going so far as to claim they don't exist or shifting your argument to some other detail to which I respond only to see the cycle repeat anew. The problem here is not my lack of knowledge in the subject at hand it's your obstinate refusal to consider any evidence that refutes your desired answer. So how about instead of telling everyone else they need to study the facts you actually read and consider what everyone else is trying to explain to you then we can avoid this bullshit tangent again in the next Halo sales thread and actually discuss the sales and what they mean? How about that?
MisterR
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Only if it sold the same amount. If Titanfall sold 1.3 million and 195k were digital and Halo sold 1 million and 200k digital. That would be 15% for Titanfall, which falls into line for EA's statements and that would be 20% for Halo digital. This would fit the PR statement with Halo being at that 20% ratio.
Primethius
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Halo 5 was the best selling digital title for an opening week.
There is nothing to stop that from being compatible with the typical digital ratio or the physical sales versus other titles.
Blackleg-sanji1
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No no no the fun is reading from start to finish.
Fine, my bad, I exaggerated just to make fun. But 30-40% is still way too high for any game out today. You honestly don't think that Microsoft would be yelling from the rooftops if that was really the case?
Yeah, I was kinda making fun of his claims, not entirely serious on that one.
ethomaz
Banned
Source? You have no proof about that like I don't have opposite too.
The only think we know is that MS spin a lot and they using revenue on PRs... they don't talk about copies sold anymore.
I'm more inclined to believe they are talking about digital sales revenue like every other company and well MS.
This is kind of incredible.
Every single piece of information we have points towards this game digital/physical ratio being in the same range as every other game released lately. But someone wants to believe it almost doubles everything else ever seen, juste because his guts (agenda) say so.
Every single piece of information we have points towards this game digital/physical ratio being in the same range as every other game released lately. But someone wants to believe it almost doubles everything else ever seen, juste because his guts (agenda) say so.
A.D. Skinner
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As with lots of people in the thread, most people I know bought this digitally.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Chobel
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Umm, no. UK sales include bundle sales which are actually digital sales.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Ok then take these lots of people, gather the data until you have an ample sample size and then extrapolate it. Maybe then this sort of anecdotal evidence would have any credence.
Yeah, because it's not as if they said they are in constant communication with the publishers in the main article in the OP. Why would anyone read that before making argumentative comments? Psshhh.
MisterR
Member
I think this is the time to bow out of the thread. Good luck to anyone who wants to try to keep dealing with this stuff.
ethomaz
Banned
NPD leaked data include bundles with digital sales too.
Please please read the OP and thread.
I can already see this can resurrect the "all my friends bought digital" story.
Amazing how this narrative is like the hydra. Cut one head off..
