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Welcome to Night Vale [Mafia] |OT| The Dog Park will not harm you
- Thread starter RetroMG
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Eh, I'm not in the business of preventing methods of inquiry, and I think my record shows otherwise. That said, you do have good advice here, and I think it's something we should take into consideration. Right now we're targeting a lot of people who are directly related to the 2 dead, with little pressure put on the others who weren't related to the death letting them skate by. I may start targeting the quieter people, since nobody else seems up to it. Everyone else can have their way with the obvious targets if they really want.
Disappeared because I haven't been at a computer. Have been keeping up with the thread. Thanks guys. I'll try not to let you all down.
I'm torn between Pop and Seathe at the moment. If Seathe posts reads that check out, I'll probably cast my vote for Pop, but if not, the Seathe hunt is back on track.
I'm torn between Pop and Seathe at the moment. If Seathe posts reads that check out, I'll probably cast my vote for Pop, but if not, the Seathe hunt is back on track.
AbsolutBro
Member
oh man I knew WIFOU didn't look right. I was thinking "wine in front of us". I would edit, but... well...
Good enough for now I guess, but that's kind of what I meant by "can we trust them going forward"? If not, and enough people are independently suspicious, it might be worth a go.
Uh... the whole point of my post was "let's not focus on the obvious issues that can resolve themselves, let's look at others". I even gave reads on other people. How in the world does that read as "preventing us from searching lurkers"?
AbsolutBro
Member
afraid I'm still not clear. But I'll wait until you can use normal posts for clarity I think!
The two you're referring to are ferret and Mike correct? Just as point of clarification.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
You gotta ask another question with that. if you the haiku might be:
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
or
No No No No No
No No No No No No No
No No No No No
lol but I think he was referring to you and absolutbro
Mike_Hawk689
Member
^correction. If not the haiku might be *
I thought he was referring to Mike and Ferret, thought the you two was talking about who we were fixating too much on. Maybe I read it wrong though.
uh..... hunh. I see. I guess that's one way to go about dodging but do you really think it'll work?
That is really bad deflection. They're asking for clarification but your idea is just out there. Ty4on never brought up suspicions about them before.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Ok then if he was talking about me and ferret then:
Maybe scum preventing us
From searching lurkers
this is him saying that the real scum are just fucking with you guys.
Making you guys vote for either me or ferret is what they want. They know we both are town and want both of us out, instead of taking out time to pressure the less active.
Maybe scum preventing us
From searching lurkers
this is him saying that the real scum are just fucking with you guys.
Making you guys vote for either me or ferret is what they want. They know we both are town and want both of us out, instead of taking out time to pressure the less active.
He came up with another excuse, I'm on mobile so I suck at quoting, it's back a page.
Oh but there's so much other things he could fill it with. The haiku really isn't so bad once you work around the limitations, you can say a lot more than it initially appears. Ty4on is doing a really good job of playing nice with the limitations, but there's a lot of creative ways you can easily give more specific information with very few syllables.
He started his new job yesterday and with the time difference being why he hasn't been as active as he would have wished.
I myself don't have internet only through my mobile device at the moment sadly.
Well since you're here and somewhat available... What's your take on everything? Since you're on mobile I'll make some key points for you easy. By all means elaborate and share thoughts on anything else, but specifically I'm curious about:
Haiku - Do you think this is scum or town?
Boo Boo'n - Why do you think he died?
"Another excuse" sounds kinda negative, I can't exactly put my life on hold.
I've already posted about the stuff that happened recently, what more do you want?
I don't think you've actually addressed the haiku thing at all?
Past that though, some general reads and hunches for the day would be nice.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Like, oh my gawd! Where is everyone!
I still want Pop to like, answer my question, but like, in the meantime:
Trigger, gryvan, and like Stanley, I would like totally super appreciate it if you would like, give me a list of who your top suspects are. That would be like, soooo fetch.
I still want Pop to like, answer my question, but like, in the meantime:
Trigger, gryvan, and like Stanley, I would like totally super appreciate it if you would like, give me a list of who your top suspects are. That would be like, soooo fetch.
Oh wait, fixated on me and Coppa? I'm getting confused now.
Why should I give it a rest?
Got it ok, yes, so what I thought the first time.
Can you give me a haiku of who you think we should be discussing right now? Just personal opinion.
Also, have you voted yet today? Can you vote someone (do me so people don't get all uppity and offended) and then unvote them just so that we know there isn't more to this haiku thing than you've revealed.
Not sure what more there is to say about the haiku thing, since it's already been decided that it is a waste of time discussing it and most of the discussion about it was already over. It's probably a mafia power to distract the conversation away, which it has.
I have no idea about Boo dying, I think I already mentioned that I doubt mafia would have a day kill ability, so maybe a neutral player?
If it IS a time delayed skill like people think then maybe if there is no neutral kill one day, it means that perhaps mafia and the neutral player targeted the same player and thus aren't in contact or whatever.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Yo Karu, yesterday you had some reservations about Scrafty, saying your gut said slight scum. Do you still read her about the same at this point? Her posts feel a bit more impactful to me today personally, less based on "Oh I'm a tourist" fluff and more accusatory and participatory.
See, this is why you get flak from squidy. I asked for reads, assuming you would give me your ideas of who we should be discussing today.
I mean, it confirms that it is his theory, it's not like Ty4on is the law of the land, he could be completely off base about you.
One post about him in this day phase is not exactly tunneling, and he's immediately there to get bent out of shape about it?
You have yet to give me a reason as to why you found me suspicious in the first place, other than my hunch that you were trying to get a rise out of me.
The fact that you are focusing on me yet again despite me posting more than some other people is just really grating and annoying.
I gave you reasons yesterday, you refuse to acknowledge them, I can't force you to acknowledge them so whatever lets drop that subject. I have to say your reactions right now feel a lot like your reactions from Day 1 of Archer.
I also want to hear more from Karu, I think I've read one post of his in this day phase, so some reads or somethign would be nice.
I think I've been asked some questions, but reading is slow and hard and involves not playing Fallout or Bloodborne, and I have work in my life for stuff like that.
Just kidding, I'll go back over the last couple pages later today and try to come up with something more substantial than what I've been popping in with lately.
Yes, I was planning to comment on my prior suspicion of her, because well... Day doesn't last forever, but then somebody already adressed her and she answered...
So... I kinda step back a bit, because she wasn't wrong in her own assessment. Her damn roleplaying rubs me still the wrong way, haha, which is why she will remain on my extended list, but yeah...
Other than that - I already commented on the haiku-stuff. either wayTy4on seems to get the hang of it quite well, so that's good. (Is there a possibility that they use it on themselves, if they are scum? - Well nobody knows, but that would certainly be an avenue if other target should arise) To whom the power is aligned to is still up in the air, I would assume scum, but the possibilities it having a side effect went a little over my head to be honest, but it seemed like loose speculation.
Mike... well, he certainly didn't handle the situation all that nicely, that for sure.
Except I did acknowledge them, and replied to you on the same damn page.
You never even replied back, just stubbornly posted a few pages later that I hadn't changed your initial read.
My reaction is because I play at a different pace to what some of the more veteran players do and I resent being singled out and forced to post to an arbitrary standard when I am trying my best to post and react to things, and just because I'm not actively leading the discussion doesn't mean I'm not participating.
I don't have an opinion for absolutely everything, I'm not going to do a regular "my reads" mega post. I'll post when I feel like it and when I have something to say. And I don't understand why I am being singled out when some other people are actually posting less.
I think certain people should just take a step back and stop trying to control the game and all the players.
Why not just ask for my opinion on things rather than pushing and prodding if it isn't urgent?
I don't have any real hunches or reads right now, other than that I appreciate that Scrafty is trying to get peoples opinions, and I don't really think Squidyj has done much other than try and divert attention to me again.
I'll post more when I have more of an opinion but my posts are always going to be half-assed if I keep getting forced to look for stuff rather than just going with my gut.
Can we do something because talking points are going no where? Can everyone vote for who they find suspicious? It's day 2, no one has any excuse for holding their vote, it is an infinite resource and there is plenty of suspicious activity to probably point a finger at anyone. Put votes down, we can start working from there. We're more than a day in and while we have had some fireworks, we aren't close to a day 2 lynch yet at all.
As a note, by my count there are 20 people in this game at the moment, so majority is 10, I highly doubt anyone is going to accidently hammer so go wild.
As a note, by my count there are 20 people in this game at the moment, so majority is 10, I highly doubt anyone is going to accidently hammer so go wild.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
FTFY.
Alright then.
StanleyPalmtree: Has been incredibly inactive and hasn't really added that much in the few posts he has made, but if his IRL reasons aren't BS then it's understandable. Reading town, though I'm still worried about him being used as a "safe" night kill, especially if he keeps this level of presence into the later phases of the game.
UltraJay: Can't get that great a read. Still making kind of fluffy posts which makes him look like he's contributing but really isn't all that much. Him defending TL21xx definately set off a red flag or two, but I can also understand his reasoning.
Trigger: Saw a lot of people reading scum on him D1, including Sorian, Coppa and even Fireblend, do to some suspicious behavior D1 and, with them continuing to lay low like they currently are, I'm very inclined to agree. Scum
Unmasked Ferret: Playing well for a first timer. Almost too well. Possible that scum chat is helping guide him here. The kill on Boo Boo'n definitely points in his direction due to their spat just before, but, of course, it could just as easily be scum trying to get him lynched. Leaning scum, but still not certain.
Karu: Scarce enough to be hard to get a real read on. May need to pressure vote.
TL21xx: Scum, for reasons explained in previous posts. Not sure if we should get him now though or waste another day to see if he can deliver the goods or not.
Ty4on: Reading town only because of my previous suspicions that the haiku curse is a scum power.
AbsolutBro: Hasn't really done anything suspicious as far as I'm concerned. Town.
Mike_Hawk689: With all the pressure being put on him and his less than stellar responses, I'm definitely leaning scum.
Mazre: Not much I can say about them either. Town.
Razmos: The spat that he and squidyj are having is...weird. IDK. Watch the both of them for now.
ScraftyDevil: Her character hasn't been anywhere near as suspicious as I initially feared, so she's off the hook...for now.
Seath: Reading town if only because of how poorly his role claim went D1. Scum chat would have told him to shut up long before that point.
Coppanuva: Incredibly active yet didn't get targeted by a seemingly active-targeting scum team. Could flip either way, but consider me suspicious.
squidyj: See Razmos.
Sorian: See Coppa
Setre: Only made one post this day but it showed him doing a decent job trying to get a suspect from the info we have. Still, just something about that post feels...off to me.
gryvan: God, how long have I been typing this damned thing up...anyway, hasn't really done anything suspicous, so gonna say town.
Royal_Flush: See above.
T2lxx and Mike are my top suspects for now. The flaky role claim from one and the odd behavior of the other are my biggest reasons. At work so I can't give a full read list.
Royal_Flush
Member
Sorry for being quite inactive today. And for this super fractured post you are going to read now, but there are so much different things I want to comment at. Let's get started:
a) Force a tie by killing someone on scrafty literally last minute
b) Several minutes before day end kill someone on Rats so it looked like I wanted to get Scrafty lynched (Several minutes so town can't think it through)
Neither of that obviously happened. As far as I can tell, Boo Boo'n wasn't hard after anyone in particular, had literally no votes on him and did not stick out specifically in any other way.
OK, so let's assume it's a scum power. And whoever used it did either not think about the above plans or saw me fail miserably in GAFia. That would mean he just used it to kill get rid of a townie. But why not pick obvious doctor targets like Coppa, Sorian or TL21xx instead? This whole thing doesn't make any sense.
On the other hand, we have Retro's Stand By Screen. That makes me doubt it is a delayed NK, as he would just have posted the result instead of stopping the game for a short time? Or at least that's what I'd have done. Delayed NK makes way more sense from the motivation POV, tough.
5. That's a risk we have to take.
6. I'd be surprised of there wasn't. Again, maybe we already are seeing him but don't realize it, because his kills are delayed...
[2]: The target doesn't make a lot of sense for an anti-town ability, as you even point out further down.
[3]: Again: What game? We weren't on to someone in particular. Also afaik in that dispute between Boo Boo'n and Ferret, Boo Boo'n was the more rusted party, so why kill him?
[4]: That smells very strong like bussing.
Vote: Trigger
(Alternative: Pop-O-Matic, since that reads list is super safe and didn't shift my view on him a lot)
I remember that, yes. We were in a thunderdome between scrafty (scum) and Rats (town). I had to possible plans:Alright, so we have someone who can secretly day kill. Royal_Flush, you're the authority on these types of murders right?
a) Force a tie by killing someone on scrafty literally last minute
b) Several minutes before day end kill someone on Rats so it looked like I wanted to get Scrafty lynched (Several minutes so town can't think it through)
Neither of that obviously happened. As far as I can tell, Boo Boo'n wasn't hard after anyone in particular, had literally no votes on him and did not stick out specifically in any other way.
OK, so let's assume it's a scum power. And whoever used it did either not think about the above plans or saw me fail miserably in GAFia. That would mean he just used it to kill get rid of a townie. But why not pick obvious doctor targets like Coppa, Sorian or TL21xx instead? This whole thing doesn't make any sense.
On the other hand, we have Retro's Stand By Screen. That makes me doubt it is a delayed NK, as he would just have posted the result instead of stopping the game for a short time? Or at least that's what I'd have done. Delayed NK makes way more sense from the motivation POV, tough.
Distraction from what? We weren't on the tail of anybody.
I don't think Ferret is the best lynch candidate today. By far not the worst, but there are other paths I want to take. Especially since I still am not sure what's your collective problem with him. I feel like an idiot with you all being suspicious of him and I just don't get any vibes (in either direction) at all from him...
4. Why not use it next day phase then? We already kind of agreed to not lynch him. Unless it's a delayed night power, then it would make sense again.
5. That's a risk we have to take.
6. I'd be surprised of there wasn't. Again, maybe we already are seeing him but don't realize it, because his kills are delayed...
[1]: I don't understand. That doesn't make the slightest sense. Please explain in another way.
[2]: The target doesn't make a lot of sense for an anti-town ability, as you even point out further down.
[3]: Again: What game? We weren't on to someone in particular. Also afaik in that dispute between Boo Boo'n and Ferret, Boo Boo'n was the more rusted party, so why kill him?
[4]: That smells very strong like bussing.
Not much thoughts going on in your head, huh? Don't make empty promises, make yourself useful!
What benefit has scum in convincing us that the power is scum aligned?
This post is very good. It should get more attention. I don't entirely agree with your two names at the end, but the up to there it's exactly mirroring my thoughts.The more I think about it, the more I think TL is fake-claiming, but much like with Ty4on there's a simple solution: wait one more night phase.
We're waiting to see two things:
1. Does the Haiku thing go away, and does a town come forward about it. If not, we can somewhat confirm it's a Scum power.
2. Does TL activate his night phase power? If not, we can pretty much turbo him as scum.
So putting TL21xx/Ty4on aside is, I think, the best course of action for today.
As for Boo boo'n specifically dying, it's one of two things (as has been covered several times before my post) :
1. Done by scum to make us kill Ferret
2. Done as such an obvious #1 so that we leave Ferret alone
I realize the two options are sort of a WIFOU dichotomy, but it does perhaps bring up a rather basic question:
How much do we trust Ferret? If we decide we trust Ferret enough today to keep him alive today, will we continue to be able to trust him going forward?
For me, I don't find much in his posts that gives me a scum vibe.
"Who does?", I guess, is the obvious next question.
Setre: his most recent post moved him from my "probably scum" list to my "probably town". This is subject to change if we find more information on seath or what happened to Boo boo'n.
speaking of, Seath is still somewhat on my "probably scum" list for vagueish posts. This is subject to change as seath is apparently collecting (and hopefully posting) thoughts on recent matters. "I'll get back to you all" is a pretty anti-town scum move if there's no follow through.
Mazre... I mean, it's probably coincidence, but it wouldn't be the first time someone literally gave away their role with their avatar.
There is more in his post I don't like (see above), but I second the request for more Pop-O-Matic posts. (Fake Edit: Seems like he already did)
That post. It's completely context free, short statement, that has been said in a similar way many times before in the posts before. I really dislike it.
Perfect timing for what? I like the two alt explanations much more.
Hey, I suggested this right from the beginning
I hate to say this, but I agree...
Vote: Trigger
(Alternative: Pop-O-Matic, since that reads list is super safe and didn't shift my view on him a lot)
I still have some concerns about Trigger for the time being, mainly due to the same things as yesterday as well as some odd behavior today (miscounting the number of dead), but I'm also somewhat suspicious of Mike_Hawk because he's really really not doing himself any favors with his defense. I'm not sure which I would vote for now, Mike is more suspicious but I still have a twinge of gut against Trigger that I'm having a hard time letting go (partially due to him providing less to work with today).
That said Sorian, I'm not going with your plan right now, I have people I need talking still. Also, looks like R_F has started pushing the pressure on Trigger for now, freeing me up for this:
Vote: Mazre
You've been extremely quiet since Boo died. You brought up how early on his death was then disappeared into the shadow. You didn't even really react with shock. I'd like to hear your take on it. Who do you think killed him? What alignment are they? Are they still a threat or not? Who should we lynch? Who's acting different than Day 1? Why did you go "Oh hey Boo died early!" then run off and not post again. Should be right around the time you checked into the thread yesterday if I'm reading timestamps correctly so... you got some catching up to do and I want to hear it.
What benefit has scum in convincing us that the power is scum aligned?
Hey, I suggested this right from the beginning
Just cropping you down to answer these two points. For the first, I see a lot of rumbling coming up from different people about how odd it is that both Coppa and I avoided the NK, the day kill, and the haiku. If you lump all 3 of those together under scum-aligned powers then it's pretty easy to make a case against either of us seeing as how we are both town leaders and two of those (the day kill and the haiku) could have done a good job of shutting us up without worrying about a doctor. Though both (assuming the day kill was a delayed night action) would have still had to worry about motion detectors of some sort. I know I'm town, I'm pretty close to certain that Coppa is town, people are using the logic to try to swing at us and I'm not buying it. Simple as that.
As for the second part, I know you brought it up, I was saying the haiku itself was clever, I just enjoy watching people try to fit information into those haikus, it was funny in cthulhu too but I wasn't actually alive in the game to comment.
Ok, so it wasn't just me reading it that way. I was looking over it and it just seems like the safest possible reads list and doesn't really provide much unique insights.
*says he is not going with my plan*
*puts down a vote anyway*
Ok, thanks for following with the plan
I don't care who gets voted on, I want people to start putting votes down because it breeds discussion. In all honesty, Pop isn't doing himself any favors with what he has been saying so I'm staying nice and nestled on my vote for right now.*says he is not going with my plan*
*puts down a vote anyway*
Ok, thanks for following with the plan
Oh heh. I read it as vote down on most suspicious. Added that word in my mind but eh.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Perfect timing to blame me (the first post of page 10 (100ppp))
Plus soon after Boo voted for me.
Good evening to you too Coppa, guess I'll start here tonight, may take a few to answer your laundry list.