CelticVegas
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Seriously, what's wrong with you guys?
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It amuses me how violence in games is largely accepted but nudity and sex aren't.
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Noray
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what a post
Linkstrikesback
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World population is too high. The combination of discovering violence earlier and sex later is aimed to help decrease that number .
No I'm not serious.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Hear hear! More sex and nudity in video games I say!
I couldn't care less really. I don't think I really own many if any games with sex or nudity in them.
I couldn't care less really. I don't think I really own many if any games with sex or nudity in them.
Someone should call the Illuminati and tell them their plan isn't working at all.
CelticVegas
Banned
Sorry, and violence is not?
Finalantagonist
Banned
I like both.
Supermanisdead
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because video games are an inelegant, crass medium. i'd rather have tasteless violence than tasteless sex and nudity
Triggerhappytel
Member
Exactly. I was having a discussion last week - I think in the 'Is BO3 suitable for a 12 year old' topic - with a guy who was saying that he thinks ultra-violent videogames are okay for a kid that age, but he would censor their intake of any sexual content. I guess mutilations and death and violence and murder are okay, while the most natural thing in the entire circle of life of any creature is not.
Do they want to increase or decrease the population?
Vital Tundra
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That's the good old USA for yah. God bless.
It's pretty dumb, our culture.
It's pretty dumb, our culture.
KratosEnergyDrink
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I think this is mainly a thing in US whereas for example in EU nudity is more accepted in media than violence.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No different from the film industry. The U.S. have always been prudes when it comes to sex, but mass violence is a fun time....
Sephiroth_VII
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Welcome to 'murica. It's not exactly the opposite in Europe or Japan, but it is quite a bit more accepted for sex to be in movies and games than violence.
PayOffWizard
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Triggerhappytel
Member
Small detail, but in The Order 1886 you have a brief fight with a nude guy (in a cutscene, I think) and you can see his cock, and it's just a thing that happens and the characters quickly move on. It's in a brothel and the rest of the place is done tastelessly as one might expect, but I think it was the first naked man I've ever seen in a game and I liked how brief and downplayed it was.
CelticVegas
Banned
Yeah. I live in Italy and here it's like the opposite. That's why i'm so amused.
At the same time?
Madison Paige
Member
It really frustrates me, because I'm a big fan of European arthouse films, and I feel like although we're inching closer towards getting the gaming equivalent of that, we're still so far off because there are certain dark subject matters that we still can't even come close to trying to tackle in a game. Granted, most of the times when people try, it comes off as extremely cringeworthy, but until our medium has examples of works that deal with sexual topics in a mature way, it will never be taken seriously as an art form. Gaming being considered something specifically for kids, and something that should be therefore censored, is holding the medium back so much.
In general, violence seems to be far more accepted than nudity in certain parts of the world. i won't call names.
I remember a friend of mine having a very excessive argument with a steamcommunityhubmoderator because he was about to get banned for posting titpics from the game Metro Last Light in a "Beautiful screenshot thread" since "They are not appropiate for the view of children", even tho said mod posted dozens of pictures of humiliated, burned alive and whatnot kind of corpses in that very thread.
The loopholes he jumped through to justify that were amazing.
I remember a friend of mine having a very excessive argument with a steamcommunityhubmoderator because he was about to get banned for posting titpics from the game Metro Last Light in a "Beautiful screenshot thread" since "They are not appropiate for the view of children", even tho said mod posted dozens of pictures of humiliated, burned alive and whatnot kind of corpses in that very thread.
The loopholes he jumped through to justify that were amazing.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Because most of the time sex or anything tangential to it (even kissing, often) looks wonky and just plain dumb in games, and like 99% of videogame writers/designers are incapable of pulling off sex/nudity without it being stupid in general.
Also American's pretend sex is bad, videogames are for kids, ergo sex in videogames is really bad.
Definitely. Maybe I'm just more acclimated to videogame-y depictions of violence, but I'm fine with that. Sex and nudity can get unbearably juvenile pretty quickly for me though. HAHA LOOK BOOBS. DICKS ARE FUNNY. LOL FAP FAP MOAN
Also American's pretend sex is bad, videogames are for kids, ergo sex in videogames is really bad.
Definitely. Maybe I'm just more acclimated to videogame-y depictions of violence, but I'm fine with that. Sex and nudity can get unbearably juvenile pretty quickly for me though. HAHA LOOK BOOBS. DICKS ARE FUNNY. LOL FAP FAP MOAN
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
A decade ago, we laughed Jack Thompson's anti-violent content claims out of the mainstream discussion, and it never came back...
...But we rush to support anti-sexualization claims, and it's become mainstream discussion to shame it and wish it didn't exist.
Sometimes I think this so-called progressivism is just America reinforcing its old traits. Sex = bad. Violence = awesome.
...But we rush to support anti-sexualization claims, and it's become mainstream discussion to shame it and wish it didn't exist.
Sometimes I think this so-called progressivism is just America reinforcing its old traits. Sex = bad. Violence = awesome.
Depends on the context.
When you say violence are you talking about very specific framing of violence like GTA V's torture scene, or just the very blasé "shoot dudes" that simply serves as a gameplay mechanic for most games?
Sex and nudity, when treated like something specifically framed, ends up looking like the scenes from God of War or that cut scene of Quiet in MGSV. Both of which are absolutely horrendous and toe curling. I'm not aware of any games that treat sex and nudity as a core gameplay mechanic (likely because doing so would be dumb, and probably just as cringey)
Americans seem to be afraid of the sex and nudity. They show murders early in the evening (series like CSI et cetera), but a boob or a buttock spawns furious protests. So naturally it translates to other entertainment like video games.
Europe is much more accepting of nudity, and is not afraid to look at it.
Europe is much more accepting of nudity, and is not afraid to look at it.
Same for youtube... shootings > np... nude scenes > banned.
Conkerkid11
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Because there isn't a single post on GAF that isn't awful, childish cringeworthy shite.
See, I can deal in absolutes too.
CelticVegas
Banned
That's just your opinion, man.
It's thread titles and threads like this that make me embarrassed to even be subscribed to the NESBot feed.
All this thread is going to amount to is people nodding their head in agreement and maybe leaving a snarky drive-by post. No proper discussion is going to happen with an OP like this. Shameful.
All this thread is going to amount to is people nodding their head in agreement and maybe leaving a snarky drive-by post. No proper discussion is going to happen with an OP like this. Shameful.
SomedayTheFire
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Nudity and sex are fine. Exploitation and creepyness is not. Plenty of films and other forms of art use nudity to an advantage, plenty also use it as an exploitation of women to get male viewers, this is not ok.
An example is the shower scenes in David Cage games, these take a lot of influence from bathroom scenes from French art cinema, however when done through his games like Heavy Rain, they just become weird voyeur moments, not accurately capturing the thoughts behind the scene's he's trying to emulate. Video game writing is just not of the standard that can use these topics well enough to correctly justify their inclusion. Another topic is the woefully terrible "rape" scenes and their justification when they were revealed for Tomb Raider. Terrible writing, terrible execution and terrible justification. It's pure voyeur tripe at this moment in time.
An example is the shower scenes in David Cage games, these take a lot of influence from bathroom scenes from French art cinema, however when done through his games like Heavy Rain, they just become weird voyeur moments, not accurately capturing the thoughts behind the scene's he's trying to emulate. Video game writing is just not of the standard that can use these topics well enough to correctly justify their inclusion. Another topic is the woefully terrible "rape" scenes and their justification when they were revealed for Tomb Raider. Terrible writing, terrible execution and terrible justification. It's pure voyeur tripe at this moment in time.
lastrealgameralive
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Imagine what our games would be like if it were the opposite...
Conkerkid11
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Way to contribute.
Basketball
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Lara Croft shoving a knife in man's neck and twisting ... A ok
But put her in shorts or classic clothes .. All hell breaks through
But put her in shorts or classic clothes .. All hell breaks through
Militaratus
Member
Silly games always trying to force me into killing people and living a prudish & monogamous life.
If I want to play a naked character who resolves conflicts with conversation while being in a relationship with multiple characters who aren't jealous of each other and also naked, then by Cthulhu that will be a Game of the Year.
If I want to play a naked character who resolves conflicts with conversation while being in a relationship with multiple characters who aren't jealous of each other and also naked, then by Cthulhu that will be a Game of the Year.
That's how I got here too haha.
In my defense OP, I would much rather have sex than get into a fight.
stan423321
Member
Come on, the reasoning for this is more or less obvious. Kids aren't supposed to do either, but it's harder to go into over the top situation with sex without going into violence spectrum anyway. If the games in general glorified, say, domestic violence, you'd have more of a case.
RealityCheque
Banned
Yep it's more than games. Movies and TV are equally culpable.
Show someones head getting blown off but never show a hard dick getting blown!
IMO it's a religious throwback and it'll take a few generations for our culture to get over it. Even I still find the idea of seeing sex on TV to be somehow "dirty" even though logically I know that the act itself is a great and almost universally positive thing. But the long-dead Catholic part of my upbringing still knocks into it. The logical side always wins but the fact that I have any sort of internal argument about it is still pretty crazy. But it also feeds into the idea that we can be embarrassed to be naked, particularly when we are younger, and seeing other people naked is a reminder of that.
It's part stupid religious shit and part human nature. One half will go away with time.
Show someones head getting blown off but never show a hard dick getting blown!
IMO it's a religious throwback and it'll take a few generations for our culture to get over it. Even I still find the idea of seeing sex on TV to be somehow "dirty" even though logically I know that the act itself is a great and almost universally positive thing. But the long-dead Catholic part of my upbringing still knocks into it. The logical side always wins but the fact that I have any sort of internal argument about it is still pretty crazy. But it also feeds into the idea that we can be embarrassed to be naked, particularly when we are younger, and seeing other people naked is a reminder of that.
It's part stupid religious shit and part human nature. One half will go away with time.
Except that Lara's ridiculous over the top murder sprees are like one of the primary criticisms of the game.
Well, do you have any examples to the contrary?
Genuine question, by the way. Not being arsey. If there's an example of sex and nudity in gaming that isn't utter nonsense then I'd be genuinely interested to know. All I can ever think about when this subject arises is Heavy Rain, God of War, The Witcher 2 and Quiet.
And by posting on a public message board, I'm assuming that's what you were after. Excellent!
Finalantagonist
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Love it. Bayonetta did it well.
maquiladora
Member
The problem isn't sex. The problem is sexism and objectification.
daTRUballin
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This thread's gonna get locked.
Violence on the other hand is 99% of the time just a pure form of power fantasy entertainment, how is that not 'childish'?