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Uncharted 4 New Character Trailer: Nadine Ross (Laura Bailey)
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Ah, so we reached the point where we shit on Bailey. Lovely.
WrenchNinja
Member
That wasn't shitting on her. That was saying she doesn't display much range. I mean I like her voice, but you can easily tell Lust, Rise, Catherine, Kid Trunks and Fetch are all the same person. Who knows, maybe it is the voice director's fault for not asking more from her.
JumpCancel
Banned
Agreed.
The game's still in development but it's evident that the graphical fidelity is greatly improved, down to polygonal count, lighting engine and textures. Top notch stuff from NaughtyDog. With all this in mind and months away from release, i'll forgive the poorer than expected lip syncing (which shouldn't be present in the final release.)
Sounds like people are looking at this trying to pick out flaws. Or maybe its just the nature of discussion.
I wouldn't go that far. If the trailer didnt mention Laura I wouldn't have been able to place her. You really think you can hear Catherine or Rise in this cutscene?
Giriath_89
Member
As a Scandinavian, this is frequently my puzzled reaction to most "controversy" that pops up here and elsewhere on the net.
WrenchNinja
Member
I immediately knew it was her. I made a post for it in the game awards thread as it was happening. Maybe I just have an ear for her voice since I hear it so often.
As if it hasn't been implied in every other post.
Maybe the extended version of the video? The melee fight?
I just want to see moar! Story Trailer would be glorious.
As a Scandinavian, this is frequently my puzzled reaction to most "controversy" that pops up here and elsewhere on the net.
This tends to be true for most of the world that isn't the USA.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Sorry you feel that way. I found it highly productive.
I mean that's one way to disregard criticism. Odd that you feel this way but still posted in this thread.As a Scandinavian, this is frequently my puzzled reaction to most "controversy" that pops up here and elsewhere on the net.
No it really hasn't. Sorry to take down you shallow attempt to stop criticism.
But I'll be fair, show me a post where it was implied.
I love that initial look when she does a quick read of Nate's face. Just perfect.
I think he meant more in the way that this thread were about the new trailer but almost no one is talking about the trailer.
It's a discussion worth having, but maybe it would have been better to have a dedicated thread for it.
orthodoxy1095
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I'll read it at some point. Regardless of what you think, there is something incredibly hypocritical to me that you can see things like a minority in this thread openly dismissing the plight of other minorities (Asians). If I made a fuss about not being represented, I doubt anyone would many would listen.
Your articles on this seem fairly ridiculous. I'd rip it, but Crossing Eden already did that for me.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
That's because some people took issue with people like me being critical of ND's casting decision. It was just a couple of comments of disappointment and they were really outraged for some reason.
I would. Honestly.
But those couple of comments led to almost 40 pages of discussion and killing any talk about story or other things about the trailer. That's what I think he meant.
Like I said, I have no problem with those comments or this discussion. But maybe it would have been better to have one thread about the trailer and another about this discussion, wouldn't you agree?
gate stormer
Member
This game is why I'm waiting to buy a PS4. Nothing interesting for it until then.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Her doing more motion capture instead of anime dubs is a godsend. Such a huge disparity between that and scenes like this where she's incredibly convincing due to good writing and dialogue.
So? I can also immediately tell when Nolan North, Troy Baker or Jennifer Hale voices a character does that mean they are bad also?
It's sad that this is a thing.
Wishmaster92
Member
How is this still going on.....
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I guess, I feel this is better for the conversation. Also, people could have just ignore our comments.
I honestly don't know. History's greatest mystery.
I agree. This type of stuff shouldn't still be happening.
WrenchNinja
Member
I think Baker and Hale don't have much range either. But that's besides the fact that I didn't say she was bad to begin with it if you had tried reading.
Well, a poster did just accuse ND of whitewashing. Whitewashing is considered racist, no?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I don't think it's so much that as it is Asians tend to pursue other areas of the game industry (art, programming in particular) over VA work.
I get what you're trying to say but you get into some really murky territory when you attempt to define someone as black simply by skin complexion. His facial features in that gif could swing either way white or black tbh. At the very least it's plausible to entertain he could be mixed.That article doesn't even acknowledge any of the scenes from GOW:Ascension which clearly show that he's not black. It also veers into some really weird territory where the author completely misinterprets the dev's intentions and is very obviously projecting when they described the thought process behind Kratos because he has convinced himself that Kratos is black despite evidence of the contrary that he isn't willing to acknowledge because there's only one scene where Kratos has a different complexion than other greeks and for very specific reason, to emphasize his ashes. The author also makes the accusation that anyone who doesn't agree with his nonsense is just another person "not wanting Kratos to be black."
This is what Kratos looks like as a human.
No his complexion is not mysteriously darker than every other greek's skin tone. It's the same skin tone.
So yes again, he's played by a black actor but not Black himself.
What a terrible article.
Not that it'd change Krato's story all that much if he were anyhow :/
EDIT: Also holy shit, his VA is TC Carson? I remember that guy from Living Single!
Ploid 3.0
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Well the thread is about a new character, and the voice actor for that new character. There's very little other new information, so what else will happen with hardly anything to talk about? We talked about the awesome hair, the lighting on her left arm, and Drake's nose getting bruised after the punch.
Ploid 3.0
Member
This seems like a bit of a reach, from the person you saw, and your conclusions. Most likely ND just didn't have enough time to look for new actors, and thanks to people already working on voice work for UC4 Laura Bailey was a good fit, had good enough range, and worked with them previously. Maybe others wasn't available, or are voicing unannounced characters.
Lol
I don't really see a problem with different ethnicities voicing characters that are different from themselves. For me it's not the same as whitewashing a movie or tv role.
But there should be more work for minority voice actors (not just for non-white characters), so it would've been nice.
I'm glad that her character exists. She seems cool just from that one trailer.
But there should be more work for minority voice actors (not just for non-white characters), so it would've been nice.
I'm glad that her character exists. She seems cool just from that one trailer.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Apparently gaming voice acting community is small already (source: Laura Bailey on Conan's Monday Melee stream), it'll start growing especially if people really do get tired of Nolan and Troy in everything. Maybe agents will start looking at getting their acting clients auditions.
Laura talking about her friend keeping it secret that she's working on Fallout 4 as the main character voice.
Blair: It seems like your world probably, you all kinda know each other.
Laura: it's a pretty small community. (More explaining after)
Laura talking about her friend keeping it secret that she's working on Fallout 4 as the main character voice.
Blair: It seems like your world probably, you all kinda know each other.
Laura: it's a pretty small community. (More explaining after)
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Because it's easier to come off as an expert about race issues than it is about film, acting or cinematography techniques, since there's so much more grey area in the former where objective facts are less prevalent.
Mind explaining how it productive? Or why this discussion shouldn't be in it's own thread? The video was about a new video game character being introduced, who happens to be a strong non-stereotypical black woman. I'm surprised majority of this thread ignored that and found something to be offended by.
What I gathered from this "productive" thread was that white people aren't allowed to voice black characters, but no one cares if they voice other minorities (i.g Delsin from Infamous Second Son). In fact, I don't remember a single post mentioning anything about Troy Baker voicing a Native American character, which is pretty amazing because Troy Baker's name was constantly in those threads.
I just don't understand why people are so selective with their complaining. Why is the trigger easily pulled for anything including Black vs White, and not Asians/Native Americans/Hispanics/etc? Why should a voice actor/actress suddenly be limited to voicing characters within their background/race?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I mean, I can recognize tons of voices when you find them in animated productions like a Disney film. I don't think Laura's voice is particularly unique in its recognizability.
As much as I find Troy an absolute dreamboat of a man, I'm far more sick of him than Laura. But I'm still very open to both of them appearing.
Really the industry will begin expand its voice-actor rolodex as more games strive for better narrative and dialogue. As those things improve, developer's will begin to look for more and more refined and/or specific talent.
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JumpCancel
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Watched that a few times to see what you meant.
Attention to detail is marvelous. Sure her character will play a decently sized part in the game.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
We're getting to an interesting point with mocap and voice-acting where I wonder how cost will have to factor into it. Like do characters need to have expanded roles to justify costs? Or is it not as time-consuming and costly as I think it is?
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I "ignored" that because you don't get a award for doing what your suppose to do. I'm not angry or offended just disappointed that stuff like this continues to happen. About the "selective complaining", this just so happen to come about when I started posting on gaf a lot, that about it. But your right I will continue to talk about theses issue when I see them. And finally, a voice actor/actress should be limited do to the undereprsentation of minorities in this industry.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I think the answer to that would end up being....quite disturbing tbh.
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The truth of the manner is, black people are always the sacrificial lamb when it comes to manners of racism, more than any other group, and that isn't fair to anybody. It helps create a false narrative that black people as a whole are more hyper-sensitive about racism than other groups and other minorities register no emotions toward discrimination they may feel, which is just inaccurate on both fronts. Or another way to see it: that black people are too weak-minded to see things on terms other than race. Which we know is false b/c at least a few black posters here have said this whole thing is a non-issue for them.
I understand the historical context of things, the very real issue of lack of black minorities in the industry, etc., but it's equally foolish to pin all of that, or even most of it, on racism. No one knows the particularities of how this casting decision went down, and in doing so are conflating it with events much different than itself (the Exodus shit show fiasco, for example). Anything to try and prove a point, but it's borderline parody by now.
It's almost startling close to treating black people like children; a sort of over-reactionary/over-protective nature forming either from internal white guilt, a need to appear "progressive" or actually wanting to inflict reputable harm to those they apparently want to help. Could be any of those.
I will be fair in saying, however, that some others just genuinely seem wanting to bring up attention to a larger issue (which industry-wide, is a problem), but it's odd seeing them piggyback off of ND and Sony, of all AAA companies, about that. Why not EA? Why not Ubi? Why not Nintendo*? I'd say they're a bit worst at diversity of black people in positions of their company, or representation of black people in their games. It just seems to be popular to rake ND through the coals nowadays.
I mean, it should be telling when the Youtube comments are more focused on the content in the trailer (on average) than a GAF thread !!
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Excusing Reggie, mind.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Just to play Devil's advocate here, Ubisoft's main franchise has more minorities, including white minorities, than many if not all game franchises, I mean not many games feature welsh, Italian or Irish, Native American, or Trinidadian leads. I'd say they're just as inclusive as ND, and as we all know, they're no stranger to being a ridiculous target despite being very inclusive with the roles of their games. Remember the horribly misquoted "women are too hard to animate" fiasco? I hope it doesn't become a trend to become extremely critical of the companies putting in the most work for inclusiveness just to bring up a broader issue that they're playing a big part in fixing. >_>
JumpCancel
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I would love a game where only main characters got Uncharted 4 levels of detail. Everyone else's animations have around 15 frames and have low poly counts along with voice performances by drunk people found in a bar.
I just see it as a lost opportunity for a black voice actress, a group that could definitely use more representation in this infustry. Has nothing to do with the voice. People in this thread are extremely off base about why some people are upset or dissapointed, and instead are projecting their own bullshit reasons for the "outrage". I just want more diversity both in the game and behind the mic. Being represented may not matter to some people in here, but I think it's nice and a good thing to have.