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[Vice]

i dont know who their trying to appease
casuals wont give a fuck
moms have no time to give a fuck
people like Anita probably dont even care about fighting games
like you said the significant part might not even care about the game

People who casually tune into streams/youtubers. If they get 50k more downloads of the game or slightly kore positive press and outreach because of trimming a few things it's a win for them.

Onos probably a Chunli fan and told them to fuck off with trying to censor her
maybe he just hates R Mika

R Mika is one of his favorite characters. I believe he tried to get her into four and was behind getting her into V's launch roster.

 

[Teeth]

Now please give Laura an underarmour shirt or something.

 

[petethepanda]

A reasonable response driven by a desire to make the game more inclusive?

Let's get him

 

[NoctisVsStar]

For discussions sake, so the slap is removed. What do you guys think about her super? Which could constitute being a worse offender to some.

Now please give Laura an underarmour shirt or something.

Can't tell if serious.

 

[RM8]

No, but that's been the characters M.O since alpha 3.

Yeah, I don't think anyone wants her to not be a "sexy" character. But she used to wear this:

To say they didn't increase the pandering in her design is a bit obtuse, IMHO. Naturally, some people will welcome the change, and others will disagree.

If you're going to censor the infamous slap at least change the animation. I just feel it's sort of hypocritical on Ono's end when Chun-li's hot outfit is worse than a infamous slap. I just feel it's selective outrage. The slap isn't a big deal to me SF as never been known has fanservice throughout the franchise.

I honestly didn't mind the slap, but I also don't mind this change - she's still clearly slapping her ass. This is just a non-issue IMO.

 

[K.Sabot]

Can't tell if serious.

It's gaf, anything is possible and everything is likely.

 

[LordJim]

A reasonable response driven by a desire to make the game more inclusive?

Let's get him

Yes, you still have characters flexing and fighting around in boob windows and thongs sinking in the ass, but now that the butt-slap is out of sight, the game has become 19% more inclusive.
Makes perfect sense.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I honestly didn't mind the slap, but I also don't mind this change - she's still clearly slapping her ass. This is just a non-issue IMO.

Likewise, just change the damn animation if you went thru the trouble of getting rid of it. It's like cammy's intro shot was cropped up recently, just fix it properly and don't be lazy with it.

 

[Teeth]

Can't tell if serious.

Why not?

 

[RM8]

Likewise, just change the damn animation if you went thru the trouble of getting rid of it. It's like cammy's intro shot was cropped up recently, just fix it properly and don't be lazy with it.

I don't think changing the camera angles is lazy at all, since the camera angles were the "issue" in the first place. Cammy's crotch and Mika's ass are always there, they never go anywhere, so it was a matter of adjusting the camera angles.

 

[DXLelouch153]

For discussions sake, so the slap is removed. What do you guys think about her super? Which could constitute being a worse offender to some.



Can't tell if serious.

the super
its suppose to be an Ultimate Muscle buster callout
but now its ruined cause someone whined about it
the double butt slam to the face is fine
its a legit wrestling move

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Why not?

What's wrong with Laura? It can't be the fact that she's a big chested girl or that's offensive?

 

[Opto]

'Tis a silly comparison and you know it. You can accept the removal of stuff like butt-slaps and also accept that this is self-censorship. Nothing wrong with that.

It's a stupid word to use in the context of discussing videogames. I prefer self-restraint

 

[Teeth]

What's wrong with Laura? It can't be the fact that she's a big chested girl or that's offensive?

How would putting proper jiu jitsu sparring gear on her top half (to match her bottom half) stop her from having large breasts?

 

[MrHoot]

It's a stupid word to use in the context of discussing videogames. I prefer self-restraint

Self-restraint would've been the case if they never did it in the first place. In this case where it's entirely to appeal to something outside of the creative process, it would be self-censorship. Not that there's anything wrong ethically with that but i'd call it as such

 

[Mizerman]

Onos probably a Chunli fan and told them to fuck off with trying to censor her
maybe he just hates R Mika

R. Mika is one of Ono's favorite characters. He tried to get her in SF4 and SF x T I believe, but it didn't pan out.

I think he's ecstatic that Mika's in the game at last.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

How would putting proper jiu jitsu sparring gear on her top half (to match her bottom half) stop her from having large breasts?

She's perfectly fine.

 

[Spman2099]

Actually yes, welcome to how the world works.

More like how America works...

 

[vg260]

Yes, you still have characters flexing and fighting around in boob windows and thongs sinking in the ass, but now that the butt-slap is out of sight, the game has become 19% more inclusive.
Makes perfect sense.

It's potentially less troublesome to some part of the audience, be it players or spectators, yes. That is exactly why they changed it. Believe it or not, similar things in different presentations, contexts, etc can leave different impressions. They probably just addressed what they felt might have left some people feeling most uncomfortable. The lowest hanging fruit so to speak.

 

[Teeth]

She's perfectly fine.

The fan service in SF5 is quite a bit higher than it's been in the past. I'm not a fan. You can continue being a fan. That's how these things work.

What makes me sad is that, from the neck up and the waist down, Laura's design is awesome. One of my favourites. Her constantly falling out of her top is just unnecessary.

 

[Sayad]

They should have fixed the outfit instead of changing an animation that did a lot in highlighting the character's character.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.

The fan service in SF5 is quite a bit higher than it's been in the past. I'm not a fan. You can continue being a fan. That's how these things work.

What makes me sad is that, from the neck up and the waist down, Laura's design is awesome. One of my favourites. Her constantly falling out of her top is just unnecessary.

Honest question, would we be having this debate if she wasn't gifted?

 

[RM8]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.

This is not happening, brah. You don't need to make up scenarios to be opposed to.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.

I want off

 

[NoctisVsStar]

This is not happening, brah. You don't need to make up scenarios to be opposed to.

Sarcasm relax my fellow gaf bro.

 

[Einchy]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.

Juri will now wear ugg boots.

 

[Pompadour]

The fan service in SF5 is quite a bit higher than it's been in the past. I'm not a fan. You can continue being a fan. That's how these things work.

What makes me sad is that, from the neck up and the waist down, Laura's design is awesome. One of my favourites. Her constantly falling out of her top is just unnecessary.

Her waist down includes her ass window with outside the pants thong.

 

[direct_quote]

The fan service in SF5 is quite a bit higher than it's been in the past. I'm not a fan. You can continue being a fan. That's how these things work.

What makes me sad is that, from the neck up and the waist down, Laura's design is awesome. One of my favourites. Her constantly falling out of her top is just unnecessary.

Basically how I feel, cheapens the character, and it feels like she tries to seduce fighters in every round.. why..... At least Mika isn't like that...

 

[Mechanized]

Calling bullshit on this. Sounds like some kinda parroted pr message.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Juri will now wear ugg boots.

 

[DXLelouch153]

Basically how I feel, cheapens the character, and it feels like she tries to seduce fighters in every round.. why..... At least Mika isn't like that...

its a legit strategy
ninjas do it all the time

 

[Vex_]

I'd rather they do this than NERF the ass, or worse, REMOVE the ass entirely....

..OH LAWD NOT DA ASS PLEASE.

I need the booty.

 

[0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55]

Shame he didn't say "fuck off, deal with it, or don't buy the game".

 

[Steroyd]

... R Mika's special move is sandwhiching someones face between 2 butts, how could someone be not okay with the butt slap, but be okay with that!?

Capcom can change the camera angle all they want but this reasoning is weak considering everything else about R Mika is supposed to be over the top, may as well fully embrace it rather than this half assed approach.

 

[Vex_]

... R Mika's special move is sandwhiching someones face between 2 butts, how could someone be not okay with the butt slap, but be okay with that!?

Capcom can change the camera angle all they want but this reasoning is weak considering everything else about R Mika is supposed to be over the top, may as well fully embrace rather than this half assed measure.

One is her touching herself. The other is her tag teaming and touching someone els--

Wait. You're right.

 

[Cybit]

Now please give Laura an underarmour shirt or something.

...god damn, that would be hot.

 

[ponpo]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.

We'll always have Nyotengu.

 

[TheOGB]

its a legit strategy
ninjas do it all the time

Yeah Ibuki's great at it
And Laura always was my favorite ninja

 

[direct_quote]

its a legit strategy
ninjas do it all the time

Girl ninja anime trope strat is what is it. Don't see Guy doing this ever.

 

[Dark Ninja]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.

I can see this

 

[Jumplion]

Welcome to nerd culture, where people flip out over a camera angle change and demand a response from the developer and expect an answer other than "eh, we changed things around, happens in development".

The guy shouldn't have needed to comment on this BS in the first place. Of course he's going to give a canned "we want more people to play the game" answer, what the fuck else is he going to say from an issue that shouldn't exist with people in the first place? "Oh yes, we totally get your concern over censorship in rainbow wrestlers slapping their asses, don't worry, we have the bureaucracy papers to show what lead to that moment!"

Nobody would have said anything if they adjusted an animation from Ryu, or Zangeif, or really any other character that isn't female. But nope, people got to get pissy over the slightest crumb of cheesecake being removed.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It's a stupid word to use in the context of discussing videogames. I prefer self-restraint

Semantics. You're basically trying to say the same thing but going out of your way to avoid the use of a word that's perfectly applicable here. We don't need to avoid the idea of "self-censorship" or the "censorship" part of the word like it's something dirty.

 

[DXLelouch153]

Girl ninja anime trope strat is what is it. Don't see Guy doing this ever.

because they get their dick cut off

 

[Teeth]

No more Juri licking lips in 5 because you know.
Honest question, would we be having this debate if she wasn't gifted?

Shrug, Ibuki's got one, Makoto's got one, Laura's gi without one was specifically designed for fan service.

Her waist down includes her ass window with outside the pants thong.

Ehhhhh, the assless gi kinda sorta has some utility. She's still clothed for one thing, and the asslessness allows for greater forward leg mobility without binding. It doesn't really bother me too much. It's kinda the same thing as Juri's diamond stitch on the inseam...that's an actual thing on a Tae Kwon Do dobok because it allows for greater flexibility and less binding during kicks.

 

[vulva]

The fan service in SF5 is quite a bit higher than it's been in the past. I'm not a fan. You can continue being a fan. That's how these things work.

What makes me sad is that, from the neck up and the waist down, Laura's design is awesome. One of my favourites. Her constantly falling out of her top is just unnecessary.

Wait when does she fall out of her top? I'm not always the most observant but I feel like this would have been a major discussion. Showing nipple seems like a bigger deal than a butt smack

 

[Filth]

Just wait until Urien is revealed MWAHAHHAHAHAH.

 

[Rentahamster]

A reasonable response driven by a desire to make the game more inclusive?

Let's get him

One might ask how, exactly, does the addition of a harmless little buttslap make the game any less inclusive? Relative to all the other weird shit in the game.

Taking away something that is otherwise quite benign, doesn't seem that reasonable.

 

[RM8]

The angles were changed around the time the game got rated by the ESRB, right? That's something to consider as well. Those ratings can be pretty arbitrary and dumb.

 

[charlequin]

Acting like that buttslap is the barrier preventing women from playing. The only thing stopping women from playing SFV is my Necalli, you feel me?

You think a butt slap is the thing that will stop a female player from picking up SFV?

And to use the HOT edition again. If the goal of removing the buttslap was to appeal to potential buyers who were too put off buying the game because of a single buttslap, then the HOT edition makes zero sense. The moment any potential buyers who were not gonna buy it before the r mika change, sees the chun-li alt outfit, they are gonna run away screaming

That's actually a very good point. It would take quite a few more changes for people uncomfortable with the game because of the "butt-slap" to be interested in it (as said previously, one can clearly find the outfits and representation objectionable), while removing the butt-slap could alienate people interested in fan service and the "sexy" aspect of the game.

See, the thing you folks have to realize is that the natural result of this line of thinking isn't someone stopping to think, "oh, how silly of me to think about inclusivity there, we'd better restore everything we cut out"; it's for the team to go in and actually strip out all the other "sexy" content too. The goal they're trying to achieve here -- creating a product that's welcoming to the type of larger audience that exists nowadays -- is increasingly important to every large publisher, and it's not about to go away. If some basic steps aren't enough, pubs are going to start taking bigger ones.

In a case like this, it's a little awkward because we have a franchise and a team that's quite used to working in an older, less restrained style of development and content, suddenly realizing that this type of inclusivity push would be worthwhile for them and their employers. Something like hiding this butt slap isn't necessarily, on its own, a perfectly reasoned determination of the most effective/least destructive edit to address the problem; it's probably more of a guess, of looking at something that got some airplay and trying to act on it because it's visible. It doesn't really matter if, in a vacuum, this one change will bring in some specific subset of players; it's more about making a gesture towards inclusiveness, and positioning themselves to think about this sort of thing earlier in the process the next time around.

Self-restraint would've been the case if they never did it in the first place. In this case where it's entirely to appeal to something outside of the creative process, it would be self-censorship. Not that there's anything wrong ethically with that but i'd call it as such

This is a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of what the creative process actually is.

 

[E_Darkness]

Chun-Li and Ryu's battle costume makes me feel uncomfortable

Spoiler

in a non-bad way

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