i mean, it wasn't all bad...
Nothing wrong with masterbatory aids, but it is weird though. Really weird.
Could be worse though. With the way a lot of Japanese developers are going lately (even Nintendo) she could be child on top everything else.
I wrote a post on her story the other day.There's a reason doe and it actually makes her pretty awesome when you know why.
She's an assassin sent to kill BB at the beginning of the game, gets set on fire, which conveniently only burns her lungs specifically, which get replaced by deus ex machinas called nanoma--I mean parasites. This means that she can't talk or else she'll kill BB, who she admires because she saved his ass when he almost got himself killed trying to take down a jet. So now she sits there and hums, because even tho she has no lungs her deus ex machinas can do anything the writer says they can so she can actually talk. Buuuutttt, as the game goes on she doesn't write shit down, or use sign language even after becoming cooperative and going on missions with Venom Snake. Incredibly gross sexualization is the tip of the iceberg for the nonsense that went into that character. She's just like, the epitome of everything wrong with women in games to the point that it's honestly astounding.
That is definitely a good argument. Especially the part about us still not getting a mainline Metroid game after several years.I think OM Samus is worse because it completely ruined a well-established, strong female character for absolutely no reason and more or less killed Metroid for 5+ years now.
Quiet had some good ideas, but there was some pretty bad ideas there as well. Outfit along with that rain scene was just dumb.
Where exactly are video games supposed to be elevated to?
Exactly - context is everything. If a context does not take itself too seriously, then things can pass as tongue-cheek-silly/goofy. When a context takes itself fairly seriously, though, the silliness/goofiness flies out the window.Don't get me wrong. I'm all for stupid, and ridiculous fan-service. And I'm all for having fun with objectifying gaming characters (regardless of gender.) I don't personally believe that objectifying a character is inherently a bad thing. But, maybe if the game had more of a sense of humor, and tongue in cheek personality, it could have pulled a character like Quiet off without coming across like some pandering piece of work that doesn't have any self-awareness.
Yeah. Real "quickly turn off the game when someone enters the room" type shit.
Not on any real level, the point I'm trying to make is to not hold games or anything to higher standard.All forms of media fall short in grand scheme of things.And are rightfully called out on when exhibit poor, embarrassing execution.
"Yeah, Quiet, thanks and all, I would really like to manage my base though..."
"Yup, mhm, I got it, you look great! Would LOVE to send my troops ou..."
"Got it! Would still love to just get some work do..."
"JESUS CHRIST QUIET, CALM THE FUCK DOWN"
Embarassing is the only word for it, yeah. After playing for 50 hours I can put some fucking clothes on her, yeah, but she still goes on with those freaking animations geared towards a horny 13-year-old.
By far the most embarrassing moment in gaming within the last 5 years.Not nearly as prominent as Quiet, but don't forget Latisha the trash lady.
So... are we angry that there's fan service and sexuality in games? Or that the justification isn't good enough?
If the justification isn't good enough, how would you have justified it?
I thought it was a good attempt, and tied back into the central theme running throughout the game quite neatly.
Even the sexy stuff kinda made sense in the context of the in-game explanation. Because she's mute, and because she likes Snake, she flirts with him physically.
If you're angry at sexuality in games, why? Because it drives away female gamers? Isn't that a broader industry issue?
Like even if you removed all unnecessary sexuality from the MGS series would female gamers be playing this anymore than they would otherwise have?
I wrote a post on her story the other day.
It makes very little sense.
I think OM Samus is worse because it completely ruined a well-established, strong female character for absolutely no reason and more or less killed Metroid for 5+ years now.
Could be worse though. With the way a lot of Japanese developers are going lately (even Nintendo) she could be child on top everything else.
.This thread is embarrassing.
I like it!these gifs are blatant as all hell........sheesh
I like it!
What about Paz and stuffing a bomb in her vagina?
I haven't played the game, but what was the ending/explanation that somehow justified her outfit and portrayal?
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Neogaf is becoming worse and worse.
Yes, all of the problems are absolutely exacerbated by these scenes.The problem with Quiet is not the out of place sexuality. It's not the leering male gaze. It's not even the hamfisted explanation for the previous two things. It's all of that being the base for some pretty graphic depictions of sexual violence.
If Quiet were just a piece of cheesecake engaging in comic book heroics, no harm on my end. When she's being held down by men clearly trying to rape her, it's gross. As cheesecake, her dumb outfit is kind of empowering. As a subject of a real and horrible type of sexual violence, her outfit is just disgusting.
^ I mean wtf. Really? I legit want to ask how Kojima possibly thinks this is the antithesis of women in games.
"It's a video game" is never a valid excuse. The medium is so much better than this.Btw OP, the dust never settled, GAF has been pretty vocal about how they felt about Quiet.
Me personally I don't care, it's a video game, meant for entertainment....
I feel some kind-of-way about your acknowledgement of my outward expressions towards her attempt of planking.i dont doubt that for a second
This type of comment, along with others in this thread just leaves me scratching my head wondering if any of you have played the series before and listen to Kojima.
First off
Sniper Wolf, Awesome sniper, but dressed like that...... while in the middle of Alaska.
Any explanation on that? Nope
The Beauty and Beasts photoshoots.......... Pure Fanservice
Any explanation on that? Nope
There are numerous examples of fan service in the MG series. None of them had any particular reason..... except for Quiet. There was a reason for her to look like that, and it was tied into central story of game and previous character from earlier entry on series.
To try to pass it off as Kojima must have "felt the need" to justify the characters design, is so tone def and seemingly ignorant of the fanservice in almost every MGS entry that it has gotten to the point where I am finding it hard to believe that people saying this have actually played the earlier MGS entries.
Yes it made sense but you know what didn't? The fact that she didn't communicate in writing! That's just something I'll never forgive. Everytime shit could've gone better if Quiet could communicate something I kept thinking "why won't she grab a pen and paper and write it???"The actual reason she's "quiet" at least makes sense. The other stuff really is just a specific type of pandering. Particularly the bond/helicopter stuff.
I think probably the worst thing is that someone directed the actress and told her to basically present to the camera.
I don't..
I don't think you've played Metal Gear Solid games.
I agree.Well, we disagree there. But on the whole, yes, I think Quiet is extremely embarrassing. If you can sit through her writhing around nearly naked in the rain as the camera pans around her ass and boobs and not feel embarrassed, I just don't understand. She is pure objectified garbage. Worse yet, Kojima apparently felt like there was an excuse for it all with that "you'll be ashamed of your words" bullshit. No, Kojima, you should be ashamed of your work.*
*(On Quiet. I like MGS as a whole.)
Well, we disagree there. But on the whole, yes, I think Quiet is extremely embarrassing. If you can sit through her writhing around nearly naked in the rain as the camera pans around her ass and boobs and not feel embarrassed, I just don't understand. She is pure objectified garbage. Worse yet, Kojima apparently felt like there was an excuse for it all with that "you'll be ashamed of your words" bullshit. No, Kojima, you should be ashamed of your work.*
*(On Quiet. I like MGS as a whole.)
Yes it made sense but you know what didn't? The fact that she didn't communicate in writing! That's just something I'll never forgive. Everytime shit could've gone better if Quiet could communicate something I kept thinking "why won't she grab a pen and paper and write it???"
Here's hoping his new venture with Sony produces more tasteful writing and character design, and I honestly believe it will.