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Obi-Wan cut off his own dick because he was married to the Force.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Obi-Wan cut off his own dick because he was married to the Force.
brandonh83
Banned
Yep. After what happened I feel like he's going to stick around and help as much as he can from this point on. And if I were Ben I'd stay as far away from Chewie as possible.
The Librarian
Banned
Why not? You have an example in the same movie series.
In IV, Luke is able:
-With the skill of a seasoned veteran, successfully pilot the Star Wars equivalent of an F-22 without ever touching it before.
-To make a near impossible shot on his first try to blow up the Death Star without the assistance of a computer.
-To be successful at Obi-Wan's mini-training session by blocking several blaster shots with his lightsaber.
-To carry Leia across a huge gap by throwing a grappling hook onto part of a structure that's really high up on his first attempt.
Luke accepts his destiny of being a Jedi and doesn't put his friends in danger because he's afraid. Rey does.
lol - nice. @NihilistArbys is my jam.
Don't get me wrong, as I said I had a fun time watching Rey have her adventures. A thrilling ride to be sure. I hadn't noticed the parts dealer's accent. I'm going in for a second helping, I'll keep an ear out (to coin a phrase). Agree that SW has bounced back from Ep 1-3 bigtime.
Yeah, they made it a lot of fun and the actress does a good job. The first time you see her being really bad ass and charging at Finn, it's establishing that she is ready to kick some ass. It looks like Finn is about to get rekt!
Wrong quote tag for that last quote pal! That was me!
I agree. And her being so capable with the force was no problem for me. I'm sure we'll learn why in time.
This is just a such a dumb and lazy response to dealing with criticism of a character you like. I love TFA and I think Rey is an awesome character. That doesn't preclude me from having problems with both.
Gary Stus get shit all the time. That's why it's thing. Perfect characters in general just aren't a good thing, regardless of gender.
Mary Sues and Gary Stus usually suck. Sometimes they work, but that depends on what kind story is told. James Bond and Ethan Hunt for example, are Gary Stus that headline major blockbuster action movies in which the entire premise is that they are super spies that can pretty do and get away with everything. We go into those movies expecting and WANTING them to be awesome badasses at every turn and getting their way.
When people watch an epic story unfold like in Star Wars, they expect and want well written characters that are flawed, well written, well realised and developed.
ANH Luke is an idiot. There isn't really a whole lot to like about him aside from him doing the right thing. RoTJ Luke is almost a completely different person, and one most of us - afaik - really like, because he went through his trials and tribulations and developed.
Rey isn't Luke, no, but she also has no real development outside of what is convenient, and she is written in such a way that - as much as I like her - it undermines previous precedent and storytelling because she is pretty much perfect from the jump and proceeds to be given everything without putting in any time or effort. There is nothing I can think of to impune her personalithy for. Because she's too perfect, i.e. a Mary Sue. And that has nothing to do with her being a woman.
WadiumArcadium
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Lol. Hard to take you seriously when you compare him to Jar Jar.
Did Jar Jar risk his life to save an enemy of the army he's belonged to since he was a young child? Did Jar Jar risk his life again for a friend when it was unlikely he was going to survive? Was Jar Jar actually funny like Finn?
Scientist Supreme!
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Sure, it could. Doesn't really change what I think is bad storytelling in this film.
DarkHeartedKill
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He's actually Jar Jar Binks, the Sith Overlord.
brandonh83
Banned
I feel like I'm alone in this lack of desire for Finn to be a Jedi. He can be a great character anyway like he was in this movie.
Snoke to be determined. Kylo is great though.
Snoke to be determined. Kylo is great though.
Saw the film again.
Yes there are some flaws but
It's so much fun in all honesty.
Oh I appreciate Kylo Rens costume style a bit more now even though I still think he looks like emo Anakin 2.0 ala Jonas Brother Sith Otaku.
However I would prefer the lightsaber duels to be more bombastic. The prequels have ruined it for me. I want backflips and twirls!
Yes there are some flaws but
It's so much fun in all honesty.
Oh I appreciate Kylo Rens costume style a bit more now even though I still think he looks like emo Anakin 2.0 ala Jonas Brother Sith Otaku.
However I would prefer the lightsaber duels to be more bombastic. The prequels have ruined it for me. I want backflips and twirls!
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Kylo is one of the best things in the movie you pooperbutt.
Fata1moose
Banned
Kylo was probably my favorite thing about the movie, he's an interesting villain. I don't like Snoke's design. Hopefully he has an interesting background.
Messypandas
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Ren looked like a snobby french dj.
peanutbutterlatte
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BB-8 is both a great character and one of the most shrewdest, most brilliant marketing moves since Lucas opted to keep the original merch rights. Makes Tickle Me Elmo and Furbies look like undesirable garbage.
BronsonLee
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BrokenFiction
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No, I'm with you. Not everyone has to be a Jedi. Not everyone has to be the son or daughter of someone famous. People bitching about Mary/Gary's in here need to cut out the fan fiction ideas as well to be consistent.
uncelestial
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Shit, sorry - I always try to copy/paste back in the username if I break up the original quote and respond inline. Grabbed the wrong one.
Ambition
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You're not. I actually wish Finn would swap places with Rey since I find him a hell of a lot more interesting than the latter
I guess what I'm asking is you don't think the storytelling in future films could justify the storytelling in this one? I understand your complaint that the movie needs to be able to stand on its own but it's also part of a trilogy and certain parts of the story could be expanded upon in the future films. like, maybe there's something that will happen in the next one and you'll go "ohhhh, that's why she was so quick to learn the force". something like that happening wouldn't change your opinion of this movie?
DiipuSurotu
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When Rey was shooting at Ren in the snow forest, I like that she went up a slope to try and have the high ground.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't feel that way either. I like Finn but I'm more interested in Rey. I feel like there's a rough road ahead for her.
Nobody complains about Luke's flying ability because its established in ANH that he's got a history of flying and targeting experience. He fails with using the lightsaber repeatedly on screen before becoming successful with it. The problem with Rey is that she has no history of doing any of the things she's doing. If her answer to "how did you do fly/etc like that" was something along the lines of her experience doing that thing on Jakku a lot, nobody would complain.
brandonh83
Banned
I sort of have this man crush on Oscar now.
If they don't give Poe a bigger role in the next ones they're just being real fucking silly.
I like your post, but I don't think that's fair. Her motives, goals and beliefs do change. She starts off with a personal MacGuffin, waiting for whoever to come back and get her, rejects Luke's lightsaber, yadda, but by the end she makes the personal call to track Luke down personally to dicover more about the force.
I think there's a marked difference in terms of her personality and what she chooses to do in the last scene in the movie in comparison to her first scene. Her movement is different. Body language is different. Has gone back on what she was stuck doing on Jakku.
Not as great character development ad Luke in ANH but it's still there.
However I would prefer the lightsaber duels to be more bombastic. The prequels have ruined it for me. I want backflips and twirls!
Megalosaro
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Which Ray is better? Amuro Ray or Rey from star wars?
Both have space magic hax
Both have space magic hax
HUELEN10
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HOLY SHIT, Snoke is Jar Jar?!?!?!?
The Librarian
Banned
Right. Luke flying around on a speeder and shooting animals somehow prepares him for flying an X-Wing to blow up a military installation. But Rey's too perfect.
Also, Rey only succeeds after several failed attempts before she can mind-trick the stormtrooper, and she's on the run for *most* of her fight with Ren.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
It could justify a story element but not having bad storytelling in your film.
For your second question, it would depend on explanation but most likely, no.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Sitting down to watch this.
Considering live posting my thoughts here from my 15 inch retina macbook.
Hope no one around me cares.
Considering live posting my thoughts here from my 15 inch retina macbook.
Hope no one around me cares.
Ambition
Member
YEP
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I think you need to sit down and read what I've been writing. He's not 1 to 1 Binks reborn but he slots in the same role that Jar Jar had in ep1. The reveal of him being a space janitor underscores it. A lot of the discussion is people saying that he is the new Han, which isn't true. Rey is closer to Han and Luke combined and Poe is closer to Leia, Finn gets the Jar Jar role as the plucky comedic relief. Which to me is disappointing for the black lead to be put as.
DarkHeartedKill
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Yeah that didn't sit well with me. "How did you do that?" "I have no idea..."
This is beautiful. Thank you, Lucas expects us to believe that Jar Jar "accidentally" killed like three droids with a gun around his leg. Clearly, he used the force.
brandonh83
Banned
I love the prequel duels too but again we're in a new circumstance. The characters and the times define the duels. We're back to slightly inexperienced players but they're young and vicious, which is why the fight was still pretty energetic but not quite the show they were in the prequels.
The Librarian
Banned
Well, I would assume that Rey wouldn't have as much character development in a single than Luke does in three because Rey...has only appeared in a single film.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Man crush intensifies
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All good homeslice!
Sorry, I meant even in ANH Luke has more character dev than Rey does in TFA. Which I think he does - but Rey still has some good development.
Yes, because they don't halfass ANH and actually say that Luke has shown off strong piloting and shooting before taking the shot at the death Star rather than Rey's dunnolol.
If she had just said that she's down before, none of the complaints about perfectness- at least with flying would exist. Nobody's complaining about how she was able to knock a trained stormtrooper- Finn on his ass because the movie shows us that she comes into conflict with other scavengers in her life on Jakku.
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BronsonLee
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OH SHIT IT'S A RAVE THREAD NOW
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It's like poetry,every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one.
soundscream
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Jealous?
brandonh83
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Hey its that gif again, the one from an apparently misunderstood moment and like 2 seconds of a much bigger scene!
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