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Has amiibo gone too far? (Twilight Princess HD)
- Thread starter Tevious
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Ryouji Gunblade
Member
I would rather buy it separately if Amiibos aren't owned.
Refreshment.01
Member
But in the end isn't Tevious complaining about queationable DLC practices. Why single out Amiibos then?
im not a conformist by any means in relation to most DLCs but i see the whole Amiino practice as physical DLC and as an extra value for figurine collectors. Physical DLC makes more sense to me than what many of the other publishers get away with.
What do you think of this perespective?
Claude Augario
Member
I might care if they actually "locked" something worthwhile behind amiibos. By that I mean actual content that was in the original Twilight Princess, not easy mode-ish item refills or a random challenge cave.
Fox Mulder
Member
Yeah, having dlc tied to a physical item that can be displayed or sold/traded is so awful. Amiibos are also a one time charge and receive future support as well.
No one would pay the amiibo price for this additional content. Pairing it with them makes sense.
As someone who hates clutter and doesn't want plastic toys, the fact I can only get these features if I pay for a physical item I won't enjoy is a negative for me.
Like every time I want to use a feature I have to go get out the toy and hold it to the gamepad. Absurd!
Especially when you consider how much cost the physical item adds - production, marketing, distribution, delivery.
(and personally I'd be embarrassed to have one of these on display in my house, so that argument's right out the window)
ArcaneFreeze
Member
The only new feature is Cave of Shadows which is literally Cave of Ordeals that can only be completed in Wolf Form. Ganondorf 2x Damage is available in Hero Mode which is included in the game, and is refilling hearts/arrows with Amiibo really that big of a deal? Go cut grass in game, it provides the same exact functionality. So unless i'm missing something I'm not seeing a bunch of new features locked behind 3 different plastic toys.
Yeah. For some reason, amiibo fans can't seem to get it through their heads that some of us absolutely do not want plastic toys cluttering up the place...
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Is it really that hard to find a place for them though? I highly doubt Amiibo would be the least of a persons clutter concerns.
SinCityAssassin
Member
It's completely understandable if people don't want to buy physical media for access to game content. I'm very much the opposite as I like collecting things, but it's a reasonable detriment in an age where people just want to have their digital content without this kind of workaround.
DLC shouldn't be locked behind physical media, that is my stance. So,so far as I am concerned, they are anti consumer.
I would more likely buy an amiibo because it is a well designed figurine than buying one for in game benefits anyway. Have often thought about buying some even though I have neither a 3ds or wii u.
I would more likely buy an amiibo because it is a well designed figurine than buying one for in game benefits anyway. Have often thought about buying some even though I have neither a 3ds or wii u.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
I understand that, but I just feel that if people can buy physical games and have a place for all the cases and controllers and accessories having a few toys stuffed in a drawer isn't that big of a deal. If your all digital though then I see a more valid point.
And we've officially come full circle to the "amiibos are for little kids/adults should be embarrassed" argument.
Honestly? Yeah. I've moved half a dozen times in the last few years and always live in one room. I probably would've picked up one or two amiibo of favourite characters; and kept buying physical games; if I had any practical way to actually do so. But I can't and haven't. And the idea of buying ugly amiibo of characters I don't like but needing to keep them around incase they unlock something cool bothers me.
Yeah, I'm pretty much all digital, if that makes it clearer.
Refreshment.01
Member
In that order your complain has more to do with not having the option to just buy the equivalent extra content digitally than the Amiibo per se. There's always someone that's bount to get disappointed i guess.
Nintendo should offer the same Amiibo incentives digitally then at a reduced price. i think that way everyone would be happy. Would you?
SinCityAssassin
Member
Personfriend: Hey is that one of those amoobis.
Me: Sigh... yeah I. I just wanted to add something to my game. Look I didn't want you to see this.
Personfriend: Well it's alright that you have one, they look fun.
Me: Look man just drop the subject, I regret bringing you here and seeing this.
Personfriend: What? It's just a toy right-
Me: WE HAVE TO LEAVE.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Well then your argument is perfectly valid. For people who buy Physical and have a problem with "Amiibo Clutter" then I question it. Question though, what is your stance on Amiibo cards(if they were to expand to include all current Amiibos) seemingly cheaper/more space friendly way of going the Amiibo route without the toys?
shark sandwich
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It's day 1, on-disc DLC locked behind a $12.99 figurine that may become difficult to obtain in the future.
How the hell is anybody actually defending this?
I think we're giving them a free pass just because they're Nintendo. If someone like EA tried this exact same scheme, they'd be publicly lynched until they were apologizing profusely on Twitter and giving the content away for free.
How the hell is anybody actually defending this?
I think we're giving them a free pass just because they're Nintendo. If someone like EA tried this exact same scheme, they'd be publicly lynched until they were apologizing profusely on Twitter and giving the content away for free.
HylianHero12
Member
I knid of agree with this, but I am not bothered too much by it (probably because I buy Amiibo). I think that maybe making content for Amiibo timed exclusive and then putting it up as DLC would be a good compromise though. Though making them available simultaneously wouldn't upset me as someone buying an Amiibo (I really like it more for the figurine instead of the content; the content is just a bonus). Or keep it all to costumes. I really like that implementation.
Caayn
Member
Why? Just because people don't mind object A doesn't mean that they won't mind object B as well.
I like collecting physical games, but I don't want to collect Amiibo for example. Just because I want one doesn't mean that I'll accept the other.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Amiibo cards as they are make them a bit more problematic for something like this series than they would for animal crossing because you're buying blind packs.
Sweet hell does no one actually read pages of discussion.
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I'm not bothered by it
SinCityAssassin
Member
Ganondorf has existed for half a year now and the Wolf Link Amiibo is packaged with the game in question.
There's no hoping anything.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Day 1 On-Disc DLC only works for one game. Then the next game you have to buy that Day 1 On-Disc DLC again, then the next game you do that again, and again, and again. That one time 12.99 payment will work for you forever for whatever future game supports it. And Amiibo stock hasn't been a problem for a while now, even the rarer ones are readily available on Amazon.
Forgot about the "blind" packs. I meant more if they were to release the cards that you could buy individually or atleast in a set that you know your getting. Like say a "Legend of Zelda Series" set that includes all the Zelda Amiibo Cards.
I really dont get this...
So you are OK with regular, digital DLC
But if tied with the DLC you get a toy figure... its anti consumer
(I dont like the idea of DLC at all, and worst of all, the "content locked behind amiibo" up until today is ao stupid it really impresses me that someone even wants it
Only reason i own two amiibos is because 1) they are cute 2) i still hope for the nintendo skylanders game)
You already touched upon this I think. The fact that this extra content might be sold out, out of print, etc. is what bothers me. I don't like DLC in general but I would appreciate it if we weren't limited to amiibos for that.
It sucks cause I think Amiibos DO have the capability to provide unique additions to the game without being "DLC". Their greatest strength is that a single amiibo can work on multiple games so it would have been awesome if somehow you can link these games up with the toys. That would have been very interesting.
Junahu
Member
Here' a solution to your Ganondorf problem; make yourself a house rule that you die if your hearts fall under half (rounded down). Because that's all the Amiibo does; enforce a house rule.
Wolf Amiibo content is borderline manipulative, but it's clearly meant to push the physical version of the game, as Nintendo are really hurting for retail shelf space and need to take every chance they can get to keep what little they have.
Wolf Amiibo content is borderline manipulative, but it's clearly meant to push the physical version of the game, as Nintendo are really hurting for retail shelf space and need to take every chance they can get to keep what little they have.
I was actually looking forward to Amiibo cards when I thought this is what they were going to be. When they turned out to just be for animal crossing I was dissapointed. If I could just have a deck of cards in a box on a shelf I use to access Amiibo content in games I think I might be OK with that.
First of all I didn't say that. I'm not judging other people's choices.
Secondly it's still more realistic and widely applicable than 'everyone should be happy we have to buy the toys because then we can show off how much they like Zelda to people visiting our home so stop complaining!'
No I wouldn't be happy. Day one DLC on a £40 port of a 10 year old game for a difficulty setting, give me a break.
If Cave of Shadows is so minor then they can include it in the base game
We're not talking about 2x damage, we're talking about the 4x damage that happens when you stack Ganondorf + Hero mode. 4x damage is not available to people who don't own that amiibo.
no don't care about the hearts arrows amiibo
ArcaneFreeze
Member
The difficulty setting is already in game, its called "Hero Mode." It does everything the Ganondorf Amiibo does and even removes hearts! Amazing right? Best of all its already implemented in the game completely free
The difficulty setting is already in game, its called "Hero Mode." It does everything the Ganondorf Amiibo does and even removes hearts! Amazing right? Best of all its already implemented in the game completely free
The 2x Ganondorf amiibo stacks on top of the 2x Hero mode = 4x difficulty setting unavailable to anyone who doesn't pay for the plastic toy.
But well done on patronising someone when you have no clue what you're talking about. Apology accepted.
shark sandwich
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You act like Nintendo is giving us some outstanding value here. The reality is it's a money-making scheme. It's a way of getting us to pay a lot more than we normally would for trivial DLC, and at the same time to sell us a bunch of undoubtedly very high-margin toys.
Makes good business sense, but so do most of the "innovative" monetization schemes we've seen lately. I maintain that we'd be screaming bloody murder if a less-respected publisher tried this exact same scheme.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Damn it, Nintendo I'm sick of the lies.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
If Cave of Shadows is so minor then they can include it in the base game
We're not talking about 2x damage, we're talking about the 4x damage that happens when you stack Ganondorf + Hero mode. 4x damage is not available to people who don't own that amiibo.
no don't care about the hearts arrows amiibo
Cave of Shadows is incentive to buy the Amiibo not to buy the game. Remember NONE of this content needed to be included in the game regardless of Amiibo. They are adding this extra content BECAUSE of Amiibo. Amiibo didn't exist this conversation probably wouldnt even be happening because the content wouldn't exist either.
All you asked for in your post was a difficulty mode, you got it with Hero Mode, as someone stated above you can artificially recreate that in a plethora of ways whether its by capping out at Half Heart Containers or not getting hearts at all. All Ganondorf Amiibo does is artificially increase the difficulty, something gamers have been doing to Zelda games since before DLC ever existed. And you clearly stated "Half the new content locked behind THREE Amiibo" With Wolf/Ganondorf out of the way the only ones are Zelda/Link/Sheik so your obviously concerned about hearts/arrows, unless of course your just overexaggerating your claim to just to show how upset you really are.
We're not talking about 2x damage, we're talking about the 4x damage that happens when you stack Ganondorf + Hero mode. 4x damage is not available to people who don't own that amiibo.
no don't care about the hearts arrows amiibo
Cave of Shadows is incentive to buy the Amiibo not to buy the game. Remember NONE of this content needed to be included in the game regardless of Amiibo. They are adding this extra content BECAUSE of Amiibo. Amiibo didn't exist this conversation probably wouldnt even be happening because the content wouldn't exist either.
All you asked for in your post was a difficulty mode, you got it with Hero Mode, as someone stated above you can artificially recreate that in a plethora of ways whether its by capping out at Half Heart Containers or not getting hearts at all. All Ganondorf Amiibo does is artificially increase the difficulty, something gamers have been doing to Zelda games since before DLC ever existed. And you clearly stated "Half the new content locked behind THREE Amiibo" With Wolf/Ganondorf out of the way the only ones are Zelda/Link/Sheik so your obviously concerned about hearts/arrows, unless of course your just overexaggerating your claim to just to show how upset you really are.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I know this is a joke, but that can genuinely be one of the ways you can get Platinum points with the new rewards program.
Oh alright then, no more difficulty modes in games, let's just tie our hands behind our backs. cos it's exactly the same thing.
I'm happy to concede I only care about the 2 amiibo.
As for overexaggerating, you just tried to deny the existence of the 4x difficulty mode (or you didn't know about it).