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UFC 196 Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz |OT| Fook The Belt feat. Ninja Shit & Touch Butt

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It's almost like the Madden curse has jumped to the UFC.

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-MD-

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Stylistically, on paper it's a great fight for Conor, if you discount the size difference. At least in theory. Another boxer. But Conor did get too cocky and not consider the importance of the size difference.

I mean Conor was pretty much schooling him until one big punch made him do the dance. From there Diaz really started beating him.

It's easy to say now, but for the majority of the fight Conor was beating him. And did have Nates face in a mask of blood. And when the blood got bad, that's when Conor really started letting his chin hang and not protecting it all. Rewatch the fight. Conor really just got too confident and was not protecting himself because he thought he had Nate finished.

If Conor did get hit with that one punch, was protecting his chin, he probably would've won. But yea, Nate is just too big. 4 inches and 10 lbs is no joke.

I'd actually love to see a rematch, lol, but that is not likely to happen. Conor will lose some shine, but he'll remain a big star. Exciting promoter and a very very exciting fighter. Few people are as fun to watch fight, imo. Just that style of finishing people off with those straight lefts.

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BadAss2961

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Ronda doesn't deserve a title shot but Dana wants his cash cow back on top.
Yup.

Ronda getting an immediate title shot over Holm is obvious favoritism. She stepped away from the game and had no intention of coming back anytime soon until after last night.

She shouldn't be #1. Miesha's the champ, Holm should be #1, Ronda at 2.
 

3N16MA

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Rousey deserves another shot at the title and since Holm didn't want to wait for the big pay day she shouldn't have to go through Holm to get it.

Holm took a risk and it backfired. She should definitely get the winner of Rousey vs Tate III though.

She was destroyed in her last fight. How does she deserve a title shot in her very next fight?
 
Yup.

Ronda getting an immediate title shot over Holm is obvious favoritism. She stepped away from the game and had no intention of coming back anytime soon until after last night.

She shouldn't be #1. Miesha's the champ, Holm should be #1, Ronda at 2.

Yeah, I guess that makes the most sense but dat business/hype factor.

I wouldn't mind Ronda and Holly fighting again and the winner gets Tate.

I think Ronda has to be in the mix though despite the way she lost.

Holly/Tate 2 just isn't a spectacular buzz.
 
She was destroyed in her last fight. How does she deserve a title shot in her very next fight?

Champs who lose get title shots all the time. It's not crazy. There is no exact science to this. Fan interest, business and overall appeal plays apart in matchmaking all the time. It's nothing new. You could make equal cases for both Holly and Ronda to get the next shot and neither side would be wrong.
 
Glad I put money on Diaz at 5-1. Makes the Conor loss a bit easier to swallow. Just had a bad feeling about this fight

Overall I think he was too reckless in his weight changing and probably picked a really bad opponent to make a debut at that weight against. The ball was in Conor's court to choose his opponent when Dos Anjos dropped out. He should have been smarter than picking a guy with such a clear height and reach advantages and whose strengths were McGregors weaknesses

He also looked a fair bit slower than usual, it feels like he had to quickly gain size without maintaining his speed

The glaring holes in his ground game are really obvious though. And as someone who claims to be a perfectionist you'd hope he works harder on it
 

3N16MA

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Champs who lose get title shots all the time. It's not crazy. There is no exact science to this. Fan interest, business and overall appeal plays apart in matchmaking all the time. It's nothing new. You could make equal cases for both Holly and Ronda to get the next shot and neither side would be wrong.

Fan interest and appeal does not make her deserving. I'm taking about what has she done to deserve a title shot? She stepped away after a brutal loss and may not return for nearly a year. You have fighters who are actually doing something to put themselves in a position get a shot.
 
why prolong the inevitable? holly went out like a damn G but i think no less of conor for tapping over passing out. that shit is bad for you

You don't get more money or any points for going unconscious.

Both were done and had no chance to escape, the only debate in the difference is for the Youtube comment section.
 

3N16MA

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Conor was done and in a bad position. He could tap or pass out but the result is the same. Why pass out when there is no need? He is not getting anything for doing that.
 
It shows heart, and balls. I agree it might seem kind of stupid but man... he could've lasted at least a couple seconds more?

For what? What would those extra seconds prove? Conor's "balls" are not in question whether he taps or get's subbed. It doesn't mean anything. War Machine is a fucking scumbag woman beater but hey, he would refuse to tap so I guess he's got heart and balls, right?
 

jay23

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So are we getting crowd reactions for this fight?(like the ones from the aldo fight not sure who recorded those) I wanna see Dana's face when McGregor taps out.
 

pixelation

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For what? What would those extra seconds prove? Conor's "balls" are not in question whether he taps or get's subbed. It doesn't mean anything. War Machine is a fucking scumbag woman beater but hey, he would refuse to tap so I guess he's got heart and balls, right?

Eh, with all the smack he talks tapping out like that ain't a good look on him TBH.
 
So are we getting crowd reactions for this fight?(like the ones from the aldo fight not sure who recorded those) I wanna see Dana's face when McGregor taps out.

Check out his Fox Sports interview after the fight. Connor is still the best fighter ever and the first round proves it. Connor can do anything he wants in the UFC since he is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.
 

BadAss2961

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why prolong the inevitable? holly went out like a damn G but i think no less of conor for tapping over passing out. that shit is bad for you
Nah I totally agree, its just not a good look for the Conor type though. The big bad Irish boogeyman that draws comparisons to wildlife every buildup.
 
It's not a good look for many that he lost in any way.

I don't think Conor would have saved any face if he refused to tap.

It's not like getting knocked out cold saves you from becoming a joke/meme

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The same people parroting the "real men don't tap!" bullshit probably would have clowned on Conor even more if there were pics of him sleeping floating all over the internet.
 
It's not like getting knocked out cold saves you from becoming a joke/meme

The same people parroting the "real men don't tap!" bullshit probably would have clowned on Conor even more if there were pics of him sleeping floating all over the internet.

That's what I was just gonna say. It might not be a good "look" to tap out but when you're laying on the mat unconscious you can't look tough or ballsy or whatever ego driven word people wanna use.
 
Nate seemed a bit miffed that he won by submission but as he pointed out, he really won by punches and Conor was desperate so he took it to the ground.

He shouldn't be like that, jiu jitsu is awesome.

This isn't a bar or a back alley, just win.
 

op_ivy

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You should tap before going out. You probably should try to fight out of a choke before tapping though. Just saying.
 

3N16MA

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Holly tried to get Tate off of her and spent a lot of energy doing so. By the time she was on the mat (again) Tate had already had it locked for a good while. For all we know Holly didn't tap because she simply couldn't or wasn't even aware enough to do so.

I know she said she refused because she thought she could get out of it.
 

Not a Jellyfish

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Thoughts on the fight, maybe I watched a different fight than a lot of the McGregor fans on here, sure seems like it.

While McGregor landed several lefts in the first Diaz started to get lose with his jab and finding a home for that check left hook late in the round.

Soon as that started to happen I felt the Diaz win was only a matter of time and McGregor still had a punchers chance with that power but not much else.
 
Stylistically, on paper it's a great fight for Conor, if you discount the size difference. At least in theory. Another boxer. But Conor did get too cocky and not consider the importance of the size difference.

I mean Conor was pretty much schooling him until one big punch made him do the dance. From there Diaz really started beating him.

It's easy to say now, but for the majority of the fight Conor was beating him. And did have Nates face in a mask of blood. And when the blood got bad, that's when Conor really started letting his chin hang and not protecting it all. Rewatch the fight. Conor really just got too confident and was not protecting himself because he thought he had Nate finished.

If Conor did get hit with that one punch, was protecting his chin, he probably would've won. But yea, Nate is just too big. 4 inches and 10 lbs is no joke.

I'd actually love to see a rematch, lol, but that is not likely to happen. Conor will lose some shine, but he'll remain a big star. Exciting promoter and a very very exciting fighter. Few people are as fun to watch fight, imo. Just that style of finishing people off with those straight lefts.

You are the jon snow of mma analysis
 

AstroLad

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lol you two have never seen a Diaz fight have you? The fight was over after the first 2min. Despite what you might think about a bloody face that fight was a Diaz fight stylistically from minute 1 until Conner got choked out. You cannot beat the Diaz brothers at their own game, watch nick vs bj pen and you learn why, the only people who win against them are the ones that aren't stupid enough to engage with them in a brawl. You may feel like your getting the better of them, but they quickly take you out into open waters that you've never explored. That's why conner went for the takedown despite him knowing it was suicide, he was panicking because he new diaz was just warming up while he on the other hand was gassing out. Nick Diaz called the fight, said it would be over in round 2 and that's all she wrote. Not to gloat, but I called Diaz by submission in this thread hours b4 the fight and what I saw is exactly what I expected.

Not only have I seen Nate fight before, I watched him get his soul taken live by Bellator midcarder Josh Thomson.
 

JDB

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People keep saying dumb shit about tapping and/or fighting and I just don't get it.

The reason why Holm could fight for so long was because Tate could never fully lock in a clean RNC. That whole second round was her trying to and she just couldn't.

McGregor got opened up the fuck up off ground and pound and gave Diaz a free rnc. There was no more fighting, he spent his energy trying to avoid the ground and pound and put himself at a more disadvantageous position.

A loss is a loss. You don't get any more respect for being put to sleep. People call him a pussy now but if he gets put to sleep he just becomes a meme

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