maquiladora
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So did Nikkei say "at the the of the year" or just "within 2016"?
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Nikkei: Nintendo ceasing Wii U production at the end of the year
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Pokemaniac
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About Nikkei
Nintendo already denied this.
So thread should be closed.
While Nikkei definitely isn't 100% reliable, Nintendo's denial doesn't actually indicate anything here. They would deny it either way, since announcing this now would be bad for business.
On the other hand, they will loose their credibility.
Pokemaniac
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Sorry, I should have worded that better.
Nintendo has denied stuff that Nikkei has said in the past which turned out to be true. No matter if this is true or not, Nintendo would respond largely the same way.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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What credibility? They've lied time and time again in regards to Nikkei, incuding the DSi, DSiXLL, and Seaman 3DS
Beer Monkey
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It's way better than the N64 and the GameCube to me. But I'm probably weird.
KamiCrit
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So about that Wii brand.
Whether the Wii U is ceasing or continuing production, I really hope the next console will have just one controller. Because right now the Wii U multiplayer situation is confusing:
Wii motes, Wii motes with motion plus, nunchucks, (pro) classic controllers, pro controllers, a GCN adaptor and GCN controllers, Hori pads, and one single Wii U tablet no less or no more.
Just one controller to rule them all and throw in an ethernet jack for all those online games and we're printing money.
Whether the Wii U is ceasing or continuing production, I really hope the next console will have just one controller. Because right now the Wii U multiplayer situation is confusing:
Wii motes, Wii motes with motion plus, nunchucks, (pro) classic controllers, pro controllers, a GCN adaptor and GCN controllers, Hori pads, and one single Wii U tablet no less or no more.
Just one controller to rule them all and throw in an ethernet jack for all those online games and we're printing money.
That's not even a denial from Nintendo. Both Nintendo and Nikkei would tell the truth if Wii U is no longer produced starting with October 2016, for example.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. Plus I would like NX not to bloated with Wii U chips. They decided on a fresh start, make it a fresh start then.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. Plus I would like NX not to bloated with Wii U chips. They decided on a fresh start, make it a fresh start then.
JamesJoyce1882
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The Wii U is my most played console (PC gamer mainly), and while the lack of options such as full RGB out is infuriating, the games are absolutely fantastic and made the purchase worthwhile. Never having had a Wii, the backwards compatibility was awesome as well, as there are at least a dozen fantastic Wii games among all the shovelware, and as I have a weakness for Lightgun games.
I just started Xenoblade Chronicles X ("ugh, yeah") and still have a sizable backlog, so I expect to get a lot more play out of it. And I hope they'll leave the servers running much longer than the Wii's.
I just started Xenoblade Chronicles X ("ugh, yeah") and still have a sizable backlog, so I expect to get a lot more play out of it. And I hope they'll leave the servers running much longer than the Wii's.
Iztok Mravlja
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I love my Wii U and will continue to play it for years to come, especially considering there's no way the NX will have hardware compatibility (though it may have XONE style emulation) with U games (completely different architectures).
I may be in the minority here, but if I ever had to get rid of my consoles, the PS4 and XONE would go first, as I can get near identical experiences on my PC - not so with the Wii U.
I'm sad this console didn't get more love, as the games sure warranted it.
I hope the NX is super powerful, has a pro controller bundled and doesn't try any hardware gimmicks (but goes nuts with new concepts in games).
I may be in the minority here, but if I ever had to get rid of my consoles, the PS4 and XONE would go first, as I can get near identical experiences on my PC - not so with the Wii U.
I'm sad this console didn't get more love, as the games sure warranted it.
I hope the NX is super powerful, has a pro controller bundled and doesn't try any hardware gimmicks (but goes nuts with new concepts in games).
Bioshocker
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About Nikkei
Nintendo already denied this.
So thread should be closed.
Of course they deny it. But according to Engadget they said: "We plan to continue production through the rest of the year." That's not a very strong statement in my mind. It's not "we have no plans to discontinue the Wii U" or "we keep dedicated to supporting the Wii U with great exclusives" etc.
Something's happening soon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo just want to cut the rope and let the Wii U be forgotten as soon as possible.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Not counting on them myself, but technically, I don't see why not. Of course, they're not a big studio, they can always pull the 'Too busy right now with PC2 for our established audiences..'. It's their decision. I'm currently set with a sim on a tablet (of all places), so I'm not handing on SM.
DidntKnowJack
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I just can't wait for the inevitable, silly name concept announced for the new system.
"We are proud to finally show...for the first time...to you all...The Nintendo Now. ©
Because afterall, when you want to play...you want to play NOW."
"We are proud to finally show...for the first time...to you all...The Nintendo Now. ©
Because afterall, when you want to play...you want to play NOW."
I'm not happy with WiiU per se because I feel Nintendo dropped the ball compared to the stellar output (not to mention the hugely revolutionary control method) of the Wii.
I'm fine with the WiiU lasting 4 years because despite the commercial failure Nintendo gave me a lot of solid games, of which Mario Kart 8 quite more than paid the bills for me, since I've spent some 300+ hours on it alone.
Hentailover
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Or you know, NX could be built from the ground up to have somewhat of a similar architecture and thus can just run Wii U games natively, like more modern PCs can run games from 5 years ago, without the need for some funky BC stuff consoles usually need to go through.
Guys, my question... I've been wondering about it for awhile...
Can Nintendo even make a successful console anymore? I don't mean it in an assholish way, hear me out. Main appeal of Nintendo consoles is their First Party line up, right? That's what most people buy it for, because they can get 3rd party at consoles it's made for in the first place, or even PCs. You don't by a nintendo console to play CoD online...
And, is there a place on a mass market for that? I mean, Wii won because of casual adoption... but that audience now has their mobiles, or even their old Wiis in the living rooms. They are not in any way pressured to upgrade, they aren't enthusiasts.
And enthusiasts, that trully care about Nintendo's first party have already purchased Wii U as is, didn't they?
So, just about everybody, who trully cares about getting a console for Mario and such, bought it and it still tanked. And this isn't a jab at nintendo fans either, we all tend to overestimate our importance in the grand scheme of things. Perhaps, fans are just not enough. So can Nintendo even get away with making a gimmicky console, that makes 3rd party support harder to provide for lesser returns,
I have a feeling, that outside some completely magical breakthrough in some sort of niche that appeals to mainstream, only way for Nintendo is to make just another "console". As in generic box, that plays all the same games as competiton, but also has some exclusives. Because without them promises of call of duties, battlefields and such and such, what appeal does it have to mainstream public?
And yes, I am aware that breaking into the market with another "console" even if they conform to the realities of the modern systems, is also in no way a guarantee at this point...
ArtHands
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What about Seaman 3DS? It didn't came out.
Cosmonaut X
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But the project did exist; Yoot Saito confirmed as much in a statement about Iwata's passing.
It's a Nintendo's spokeperson who talked, not even Kimishima-san, like Iwata did back when Seaman 3DS was rumoured (and a few months ago we discovered it was actually real, after all). Yeah, I'd say Nikkei is reliable enough to believe them despite what a Nintendo's spokeperson claims. Especially when that claim doesn't negate that much Nikkei's rumour to begin with.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
But how far did it exist though? What if the 'project' exist only napkin design stage, and has yet to get greenlit and enter formal pre-production stage? Its ambiguous to say if the project exist in this case. It exist informally if you count only verbal talks and initial sketches, but doesn't exist formally in black and white contract.
Perhaps Nikkei count it as 'existing', but its not wrong for Nintendo to say it didn't exist if all of the stuffs involved so far at that moment are not pinned down yet.
Coulomb_Barrier
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So does this mean PS4 has a chance of finally catching up with the Wii U install base in Japan. Or will that never happen...?
The PS4 would have passed the Wii U soon regardless.
PS4 outpaced WiiU quite a while ago in Japan. WiiU is still leading because of a year headstart though.
Building upon Wii U architecture mean power PC which doesn't seem good enough these days for a modern console. Plus means additional issues with porting vs. going with X86 or ARM.
About Nikkei
Nintendo already denied this.
So thread should be closed.
Did you actually read Nintendo's denial? They didn't actually deny that Wii U production would stop, just that Nikkei didn't get the info from them.
And honestly, does anyone really doubt that Nintendo's going to be stopping Wii U production sooner rather then later with how poorly it's sold?
Joelstinton14
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There is probably an element of truth to the Nikkei reports. It is just that the WII U is one of two mainline products on the market which they (Nintendo) still need to be seen supporting commercially. They still need to be seen putting a face on it so to speak and sell any remaining Wii U's they have, or produce enough to keep ticking over . Even if they know that gamers know the NX is coming soon.
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Nostremitus
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I don't know... An Espresso paired with an AMD APU could be nice.
It could handle the OS and whatnot, but also allow BC. It's a low cost and low power chip. No reason I can think of for them to leave it out. Also, the terrible sales of the Wii U could mean they have tens of millions of them with nothing to put them in...
//DEVIL//
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Actually. the way i read it. Nintendo didn't really deny anything. if anything. its the same as what Nikkei said.
Nintendo said = we will continue to produce the WII U throughout the rest of the year
Nikkei said = Nintendo will stop WII U production at the end of the year which means in 2017 Nintendo wont be making WIIU consoles in 2017
that's umm.. same thing but nintendo is trying to play it smart :/
Nah, let the GameCube Adapter & the Pokkén Pro Pad work. Gotta have a wired controllers for Smash & Pokkén.So about that Wii brand.
Whether the Wii U is ceasing or continuing production, I really hope the next console will have just one controller. Because right now the Wii U multiplayer situation is confusing:
Wii motes, Wii motes with motion plus, nunchucks, (pro) classic controllers, pro controllers, a GCN adaptor and GCN controllers, Hori pads, and one single Wii U tablet no less or no more.
Just one controller to rule them all and throw in an ethernet jack for all those online games and we're printing money.
Let's be honest, the Smash scene wouldn't take kindly to their GameCube controllers being taken away, nor should they. Unless Nintendo wants competitive Smash 4 to stay on the Wii U, they kinda have to let the GameCube Adapter work for Smash 4 (& eventually 5) when played on the NX Console. And given that we probably won't get another new Smash game for around 4-5 years, that's not something that Nintendo can take to chance. The NX Console must support the GameCube Adapter. As for Pokkén Tournament, while it would be nice to let the Pro Pad work, they really just need a wired controller with a good D-Pad. But if the NX Handheld/NX Console Controller is really what what was "leaked", then yeah, we need Pokkén Pro Pad support.
AcademicSaucer
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Nintendo is in even more danger from leaks than I thought. If they don't hurry and reveal the NX someone else is going to do it for them, maybe Nikkei, maybe some dude on a message board.
Probably not, but they seem to be preparing to clear out 3DS stock with the incoming price drop.I am glad I got my Wii U, I really like it - just like the OG Xbox.
Curious to see whether they will yank Wii U stuff off the shelves overnight as well
airmangataosenai
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I still can't believe there were still holdouts thinking the system was gonna have a normal 5 year cycle. This place produces some seriously delusional people, at times it was almost like reading r/Sandersforpresident.
Cosmonaut X
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Not sure what you want me to say here. You said:
If we're talking about Nikkei's reliability on Nintendo rumours, and Nintendo's denial of reports that later turn out to be correct, then saying "Seaman 3DS didn't come out" isn't much of a counterpoint when:
-- The initial Nikkei report included a mention of Nintendo approaching third parties looking to revive IP for new entries on 3DS, and Seaman was mentioned as an example of such an IP.
-- Nintendo - through a tweet from Iwata - denied this.
-- Years later, when Iwata passed away, Yoot Saito said:
It doesn't really matter how far Saito got with the project when considering Nikkei's reporting, all that matters is that they were correct: the project existed, and Nintendo had approached Saito asking him to revive the series for 3DS.
For the record, Iwata's tweeted denial was:
IIRC, the report from Nikkei also covered other subjects, including a quote from Iwata saying something about Nintendo's current financial/market situation (something like "if we go on like this, we will collapse", I think) and the tweet is general enough that it doesn't tie Iwata/Nintendo to a specific denial, but his tweet was clearly intended to cast doubt on the article as a whole.
TL;DR
Nikkei claimed Nintendo approached third parties to revive old IP for 3DS, mentioning Seaman. The article was slammed by Iwata. Years later, it turns out Nikkei were entirely correct.
DrROBschiz
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Yup Nintendo's tepid response was unnecessary
Its clear Nikkei is on the money once again
Its clear Nikkei is on the money once again
The thing is, what's the point of this conversation about Seaman 3DS? Regardless of in what form the game existed (a concept or some real dev time), The report that it was a thing isn't inherently wrong. I get that maybe the idea is to discredit the outlet here, but they merely said it existed and the game's existence in some form has been confirmed. So there is no point in really knowing exactly what form it's existence was in, does it? BEcause after all, we're talking about claims that at some point towards the end of the year, Nintendo is planning to shut down Wii U production. That is what their report says. Nintendo's reponse doesn't deny that point. It's a very "Reggie Fils-Aime" response that is a complete non-response that sounds like a denial, but really isn't.
Nintendo just says they are continuing to make Wii U's in 2016. That's great. The papers report says the same thing. It just has the caveat that they will stop making Wii U's late in 2016. Nintendo isn't outright denying that.
And even if Nintendo did deny it, their is a track record with this outlet revealing news from Nintendo before Nintendo reveals it combined with Nintendo outright denying their claims, only to confirm them weeks or months later. Any response from Nintendo to claims by this outlet are hard to believe if they contradict the outlet, because the outlet, while not infallible, has been spot on about Nintendo for a long, long time. Whereever their information comes from, it's legit stuff for Nintendo. Long track record here of nailing this stuff regardless of what Nintendo says.
And the thing is, this time it doesn't contradict the outlet, making it all the more likely true. Nintendo just wants to get in front of the story because until they actually unveil the NX, it's a bad look for them to already be talking about discontinuing production of the system before they have their new system even announced.
Graphics Horse
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by the end. So within.
MoogleWizard
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Goodnight, sweet prince. I'm ready for something new but I will miss the gamepad. I love that controller.
Cosmonaut X
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At this point, given the reliability of Nikkei reports about pretty important decisions and announcements from NCL, I'm inclined to believe that they either have a pet source very high up at the company (possible, but unlikely that they would be able to keep feeding them info for so long without repercussions) or NCL are in on the "leaks" and are using Nikkei to float things ahead of formal announcements.
In this case, being able to soft-announce the end of Wii U production has the benefit of getting the news out without having to make a formal announcement (that will no doubt come at a more appropriate time) and setting the stage for whatever plans they have for unveiling the NX project.
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An acknowledgement without a clear denial is basically a confirmation. If they had said "we currently have no plans to end Wii U production in 2016" then it would have some heft, but instead they jumped through hoops to make it sound like a denial but that is adjusted to make sure they don't say something that later will turn out to be untrue. They wouldn't do that unless there actually is some truth to the report (of course it's true).