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[weemadarthur]

I mean, my vote's already somewhere, but if you wanna offer one of your scum partners up as an alternative that'd be fine too.

Oh, yeah. It's on me still.

Well I question El Topo.
He showed up to show up but hasn't contributed.

Mazre I don't trust to have been telling the truth with the ordinary role claim.

Fireblend hasn't offered any original thought, only commentary on others.

I can't read xam, so good luck to the rest of you on that.

 

[SkyOdin]

I'm a little suspicious of Karkador at the moment, since he has mostly been sticking to one line posts about relatively minor issues, such as the number of scum players and the possible existence of a neutral player. While those are pertinent issues, they are also mostly irrelevant on day one.

 

[Sorian]

I mean, my vote's already somewhere, but if you wanna offer one of your scum partners up as an alternative that'd be fine too.

I'm surprised that you are treating your vote as serious, it seemed to be a joke to me with what you provided when you casted it but this almost reads like you have more reasoning behind it.

Oh, yeah. It's on me still.

Well I question El Topo.
He showed up to show up but hasn't contributed.

Mazre I don't trust to have been telling the truth with the ordinary role claim.

Fireblend hasn't offered any original thought, only commentary on others.

I can't read xam, so good luck to the rest of you on that.

Xam is always hard to read. I think it should be easy but I've steered myself wrong trying to read him in the past too. I agree on Mazre and Topo. I don't have much issue with Fire aside from this possibility of him hiding behind a joke vote for now.

 

[Flame_AC]

I'm a little suspicious of Karkador at the moment, since he has mostly been sticking to one line posts about relatively minor issues, such as the number of scum players and the possible existence of a neutral player. While those are pertinent issues, they are also mostly irrelevant on day one.

I think a lot of people are guilty of that so far, myself included. Though it's kind of difficult to do a long post when we have 2 hours of content to go through. But yeah, Kark is definitely someone to watch.

 

[El Topo]

Well, what kind of contribution would you like? Brabble? GIFs? Role reveal? Metagame speculation? Breadcrumbs?

We're going to lynch someone today. Chances are we will lynch someone based on something stupid and said player will turn out to be town, or maybe we are lucky and it's scum.

 

[Fireblend]

I'm surprised that you are treating your vote as serious, it seemed to be a joke to me with what you provided when you casted it but this almost reads like you have more reasoning behind it.

It's as serious as any day-1 vote is; along with my other posts it's there to provoke reactions because that's the best I can offer; trying to be assertive, if you will It seems curious that you were referring to SkyOdin's vote as weak, then characterizing mine as serious and then being worried that it's a joke I'm hiding behind.

What kind of vote should I make, then?

Also, I'm guessing Kark is hinting at something, but I see little value in discussing what until he's more forthcoming.

 

[Coppanuva]

I think a lot of people are guilty of that so far, myself included. Though it's kind of difficult to do a long post when we have 2 hours of content to go through. But yeah, Kark is definitely someone to watch.

It's easy to say a lot of people do that, but at the same time focusing discussion on estimated numbers of scum, and whether or not a neutral exists is a very easy way for someone to look like they're trying to incite pro-town discussion without actually contributing much themselves.

 

[weemadarthur]

Now you want me to write your insubstantial posts?
If you can't provide any of the things you suggested, or, you know, substance....then at least contribute some jokes like camjo. I have a soft spot for players who entertain me, it's hard to vote them out.

 

[Karkador]

Vote: No Lynch

NO MORE DEAD COPS

 

[weemadarthur]

What's Brabble anyway?

 

[Sorian]

Well, what kind of contribution would you like? Brabble? GIFs? Role reveal? Metagame speculation? Breadcrumbs?

We're going to lynch someone today. Chances are we will lynch someone based on something stupid and said player will turn out to be town, or maybe we are lucky and it's scum.

So, what then? You don't plan to speak unless spoken to and we should just let day 1 play and that's that? It's early in the day phase so I can hardly say that anyone still inactive is a cause for concern but when they aren't even bothering and they are asking us to craft a response for them then that's an issue.

It's as serious as any day-1 vote is; along with my other posts it's there to provoke reactions because that's the best I can offer; trying to be assertive, if you will It seems curious that you were referring to SkyOdin's vote as weak, then characterizing mine as serious and then being worried that it's a joke I'm hiding behind.

What kind of vote should I make, then?

Also, I'm guessing Kark is hinting at something, but I see little value in discussing what until he's more forthcoming.

Your vote and SkyOdin's vote were a bit different. He presented his for a very clear reason but then weakened it himself by saying it probably wouldn't stick which reads like newbie error. You presented your vote as a joke which is fine this early on, I can't really say I expect much in the way of real voting right now, my votes have basically been RNG and RNG-lite version so far but then you followed it up as if it had real merit. It seemed odd to me so I pointed it out.

I do agree that Kark might be hinting at something but let's be honest here. This theme is very conducive to neutrals. We're heroes vs. villains and there are plenty of batman characters that toe the line in between those two areas. Past that, it wouldn't be hard at all to pull in another DC superhero or for maximum lolz, a marvel superhero.

It's easy to say a lot of people do that, but at the same time focusing discussion on estimated numbers of scum, and whether or not a neutral exists is a very easy way for someone to look like they're trying to incite pro-town discussion without actually contributing much themselves.

Sure but I think it is easy to forget when you do so many of these games that there are some fresher players that may not know what to expect. It's easy for Kark or myself (chose people who have built a game before on purpose) to look at the numbers and rattle off how many scum there should be but having that information out there is still good. I know what you are getting at though, the problem is when people only focus on that and nothing else.

 

[Karkador]

I mean, I'm pretty sure if Two-Face is in this game, it's a neutral. Can we agree to that?

 

[Flame_AC]

My vote stays on Kark for his no lynch vote. Lynching is a necessary risk.

 

[Sorian]

I mean, I'm pretty sure if Two-Face is in this game, it's a neutral. Can we agree to that?

I would assume two-face as a villain. If any potential neutrals are also strictly batman characters, I would assume a catwoman or red hood type. Is there a reason you are so fixated on this though?

My vote stays on Kark for his no lynch vote. Lynching is a necessary risk.

I was going to complain about it but I had an NX flashback and got a headache.

 

[Mazre]

I mean, I'm pretty sure if Two-Face is in this game, it's a neutral. Can we agree to that?

Two-face is the anti-thesis of neutral he's always yes or no, never maybe.

 

[Fireblend]

Your vote and SkyOdin's vote were a bit different. He presented his for a very clear reason but then weakened it himself by saying it probably wouldn't stick which reads like newbie error. You presented your vote as a joke which is fine this early on, I can't really say I expect much in the way of real voting right now, my votes have basically been RNG and RNG-lite version so far but then you followed it up as if it had real merit. It seemed odd to me so I pointed it out.

I wasn't trying to say they were the same, you explaining how they are different seems bit unprompted and I said as much in a previous post, we're unlikely to place a justified vote day 1, so commenting on a vote being strong, weak, silly or serious also carries less weight than it would any other day.

 

[Karkador]

I would assume two-face as a villain. If any potential neutrals are also strictly batman characters, I would assume a catwoman or red hood type. Is there a reason you are so fixated on this though?

Two-face is the anti-thesis of neutral he's always yes or no, never maybe.

Interesting. Well, I'd figure he'd be neutral because the story of Harvey Dent is always kind of meant to be like he's balancing two different alignments.

I was going to complain about it but I had an NX flashback and got a headache.

Same here

 

[Sorian]

I wasn't trying to say they were the same, you explaining how they are different seems bit unprompted and I said as much in a previous post, we're unlikely to place a justified vote day 1, so commenting on a vote being strong, weak, silly or serious also carries less weight than it would any other day.

No, you weren't trying to say they were the same but you did say it was "curious" that I painted them in different lights so I felt the need to respond to that. I feel like there is a weird chess game aspect to our posts to each other over the past few posts, like we are trying to trip the other one up.

That being said, I don't like this sentiment (you aren't the only one) that the day 1 vote will be useless. Now maybe I am misreading because if you mean day 1 as in the first 24 hours then yes, I agree, but if you mean day 1, as in the first day phase then no. There is usually justifiable cause for good voting by the end of the day even if it can become train wreck fast.

 

[Karu]

It's easy to say a lot of people do that, but at the same time focusing discussion on estimated numbers of scum, and whether or not a neutral exists is a very easy way for someone to look like they're trying to incite pro-town discussion without actually contributing much themselves.

It's a few hours into the game, come on now...

I will put my Vote on Camjo-Z. We had this discussion already on Love Boat and I do not like it anymore now than I did then. Fake a smile and do the dance of Day One like everybody else. I am not a fan of Debbie Downers... :-(

VOTE: Camjo-Z

 

[El Topo]

So, what then? You don't plan to speak unless spoken to and we should just let day 1 play and that's that? It's early in the day phase so I can hardly say that anyone still inactive is a cause for concern but when they aren't even bothering and they are asking us to craft a response for them then that's an issue.

I will post when there is reason to. I will of course stay active to some extent, because I feel that (artificial) inactivity is unfair to other players, but I will not change the stance that I have maintained pretty much since S1.

If you want my opinion: It is too easy to get lost in the details on D1, or as we Germans would say the Klein-Klein. D1 is (possibly) useful in hindsight, to see whether players behaved consistently, i.e. we certainly need players to be active and engaged, but by itself D1 is useless and the lnych (almost) always a complete gamble.

 

[Fireblend]

No, you weren't trying to say they were the same but you did say it was "curious" that I painted them in different lights so I felt the need to respond to that. I feel like there is a weird chess game aspect to our posts to each other over the past few posts, like we are trying to trip the other one up.

That being said, I don't like this sentiment (you aren't the only one) that the day 1 vote will be useless. Now maybe I am misreading because if you mean day 1 as in the first 24 hours then yes, I agree, but if you mean day 1, as in the first day phase then no. There is usually justifiable cause for good voting by the end of the day even if it can become train wreck fast.

Sure, I'd expect a vote cast later in the day to stand on less shaky ground than one cast now, but I like relying on more than what I feel can be gathered on D1 to say a vote is substantiated. But you're right, dismissing votes cast even now can go badly.

And yeah it feels like we're replying to each other just to avoid making it look like the other one had a good point let's just end the chain here. I conceded your point so we're fine. lol

 

[El Topo]

It's easy to say a lot of people do that, but at the same time focusing discussion on estimated numbers of scum, and whether or not a neutral exists is a very easy way for someone to look like they're trying to incite pro-town discussion without actually contributing much themselves.

I disagree (a bit). It's certainly helpful to discuss the framework (of the game), just not this early, when we have no information. I would add that (read) lists are something I am very wary of. They serve little purpose, other than looking engaged and (at least subconsciously) may help seem more like town.

 

[Sorian]

I disagree (a bit). It's certainly helpful to discuss the framework (of the game), just not this early, when we have no information. I would add that (read) lists are something I am very wary of. They serve little purpose, other than looking engaged and (at least subconsciously) may help seem more like town.

As always, I implore people to give a decent reads list closer to the end of each day phase. There are two reasons, the first is because it is impossible to know who will die in the night phase and having an honest reads list to look at from the town member that scum killed can be worth a lot discussion wise. The second is because the best place to hide investigative results before claiming is in reads lists but that hiding place kind of goes out the window when we dissuade reads lists.

 

[SkyOdin]

I mean, I'm pretty sure if Two-Face is in this game, it's a neutral. Can we agree to that?

No, I don't really like the idea of focusing too much on role names. Role names are just flavor, and are hardly proof of anything. While the game-runner might have strictly adhered to flavor, there is also a chance that roytheone assigned them randomly. Besides, unless we have an investigator who can check names or get a flip, we won't even know the names. I'm not inclined to trust the names people use in role-claims either.

Also, I have no idea which version of the Batman characters roytheone likes the best anyways. Some characters flipflop between good and evil way too often for me to make good guesses.

 

[Fireblend]

I mean, if people want to make lists I say let them; there's few things scummier than actively attempting to make people post less, but on the other hand, I'm not a big fan of making them some sort of check list item everyone needs to cross off. Some of us may be read machines and have tons of things to say about other players, but others may simply feel pressured and end up reacting defensively not because they have anything to hide but because they feel like all they've got is some weak reads and that's going to make them look suspicious. I'm not going to judge anyone based on whether they made a list or not. Hollow lists feel like they're there to make people look good rather than be useful.

Sorian brings up a good point though: when the day ends, we don't know if we're going to make it to the next one, so if you have anything to say that isn't going to make you look like an idiot when you don't get night-killed like say, someone you're particularly suspicious of, please by all means share it, but I don't think there's any reason for it to be buried under a ton of useless reads or have some particular format. As town I trust you to provide information in the clearest, most helpful way you can. Just try to not say nothing.

 

[Karkador]

unvote

 

[Coppanuva]

I disagree (a bit). It's certainly helpful to discuss the framework (of the game), just not this early, when we have no information. I would add that (read) lists are something I am very wary of. They serve little purpose, other than looking engaged and (at least subconsciously) may help seem more like town.

You misinterpret me. I didn't mean discussing the mechanics of the game and possible roles is useless, I agree it's definitely useful in time. Right now (like you said) there's not anywhere near enough information to actually reason about. Later on, someone who only comments on game mechanics is an outlier in my eyes.

 

[Sorian]

unvote

That didn't last long

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Last thing on reads list just to clarify. I do tend to post a full all player reads list when I do them but that's not what I expect from others. Talk about what sticks out in a reads list. If that is only a couple players then great, whatever. I think the bare minimum is we should be able to reasonably figure out who everyone's top two town and top two scum are at the end of each day phase. The only people who have the clear answers right now are scum, I'm not expecting everyone to be mind readers, but town succeeds when they get their opinions out there and people can find holes or strengthen the argument.

 

[El Topo]

As always, I implore people to give a decent reads list closer to the end of each day phase. There are two reasons, the first is because it is impossible to know who will die in the night phase and having an honest reads list to look at from the town member that scum killed can be worth a lot discussion wise. The second is because the best place to hide investigative results before claiming is in reads lists but that hiding place kind of goes out the window when we dissuade reads lists.

I, too, think we should all tell mafia how we really feel so they can better decide who of us they should butcher in the night. Wait, what?

 

[Karkador]

Alfred, input the names of our players into the Batcomputer and find the scum:

Greetings. Beep boop beep.

Mazre [m]
Karu [m]
SkyOdin [m]
Sorian [m]
Karkador [m]
Camjo-Z [m]
Flame_AC [m]
TL21xx [m]
weemadarthur [-]
Trigger [m]
Fireblend [m]
Coppanuva [m]
Pop-o-matic [m]
Xamtheking [m]
The Goddamn [m]
Ty4on [m]
FluxWaveZ [m]
El topo [m]

 

[SkyOdin]

Uhhhh..... Is my name in bold good or bad?

 

[Sorian]

I, too, think we should all tell mafia how we really feel so they can better decide who of us they should butcher in the night. Wait, what?

Do you ever read scum threads after the game ends? I can probably count on one hand, especially early in the game, the number of times that scum actually hunts based on people's reads list. Scum hunts PRs or generally good players. Sometimes they will hit player's that are just 100% accepted to be town. This seems to be a theme with you were you are worried about talking and making reads. What's left of the game if you don't want us to make reads. Shall we huddle in the corner and draw straws?

Alfred, input the names of our players into the Batcomputer and find the scum:




Mazre [m]
Karu [m]
SkyOdin [m]
Sorian [m]
Karkador [m]
Camjo-Z [m]
Flame_AC [m]
TL21xx [m]
weemadarthur [-]
Trigger [m]
Fireblend [m]
Coppanuva [m]
Pop-o-matic [m]
Xamtheking [m]
The Goddamn [m]
Ty4on [m]
FluxWaveZ [m]
El topo [m]

You got us! Is this in a particular order?

 

[Camjo-Z]

It's a few hours into the game, come on now...

I will put my Vote on Camjo-Z. We had this discussion already on Love Boat and I do not like it anymore now than I did then. Fake a smile and do the dance of Day One like everybody else. I am not a fan of Debbie Downers... :-(

VOTE: Camjo-Z

I'm sure me currently not doing much on D1 will prove to be just as insightful as, say, Sorian's propensity to poke around and pass judgement on the way others are playing despite prefacing half his comments with some variant of "I know it's early BUT" and making his votes based on RNG.

Anyway, if I see something I want to comment on, rest assured that I will.

 

[Sorian]

Sorian's propensity to poke around and pass judgement on the way others are playing despite prefacing half his comments with some variant of "I know it's early BUT" and making his votes based on RNG.

I have to do this to remind myself that I can't actually start railing on people for inactivity yet.

 

[Xamtheking]

Reads list in like a couple of hours

 

[Trigger]

All the cool kids are voting so I'll do it too.

VOTEop-o-matic

Re: Read lists

I think that it's always helpful to get your opinions out into the open before a night phase, but I find that they've become a slog in the early phases. I think just making a list of who your top suspects are to be a lot easier. It's gets right to the point.

I'm still of the mindset that not voting on the first day is a waste of time. lol but we have this discussion every Day 1 in every game.

 

[Ty4on]

I, too, think we should all tell mafia how we really feel so they can better decide who of us they should butcher in the night. Wait, what?

We did that in Heist. Turns out, nobody trusting each other didn't do town much good...

It's a balancing act though, but I still don't like read lists. They're hard to vague and kind of hard to interpret. I get they organise thoughts nicely, but it just feels like a checkbox activity for scum to look townie everytime I see it.

Alfred, input the names of our players into the Batcomputer and find the scum:

I think my scummyness is directly propotional to activity.

Anyway, if I see something I want to comment on, rest assured that I will.

Sometimes you have to dip your toes in the water to really feel what it's like.

 

[weemadarthur]

Alfred, input the names of our players into the Batcomputer and find the scum:




Mazre [m]
Karu [m]
SkyOdin [m]
Sorian [m]
Karkador [m]
Camjo-Z [m]
Flame_AC [m]
TL21xx [m]
weemadarthur [-]
Trigger [m]
Fireblend [m]
Coppanuva [m]
Pop-o-matic [m]
Xamtheking [m]
The Goddamn [m]
Ty4on [m]
FluxWaveZ [m]
El topo [m]

What's bold mean?
What's italic mean?

 

[Sorian]

I can guess the answer but for clarity, why voting on Pop, Trigger?

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With your vote there, I'm going to do this:

VOTE: TheGoddamn

If these two votes force a check-in then that's everyone at least making an appearance.

 

[weemadarthur]

Hey, Trigger, are you scum again? It would really help to know.

Fireblend ok and everyone else, do you believe Mazre was serious about that role claim? What is your feeling about his doing it?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Fireblend ok and everyone else, do you believe Mazre was serious about that role claim? What is your feeling about his doing it?

Not swayed either way. He could be a vanilla townie or not.

 

[Sorian]

Hey, Trigger, are you scum again? It would really help to know.

Fireblend ok and everyone else, do you believe Mazre was serious about that role claim? What is your feeling about his doing it?

It's a lot of WIFOM in all honesty. It's a very self-centric move though so take that how you will. Could be important town, could be a player wanting to personally stay alive for the sake of playing, could be a neutral/scum trying to give an excuse for why they aren't dying.

 

[Xamtheking]

I really want to vote Mazre, but I don't think my body would be able to handle the ensuing hypocrisy overload

 

[weemadarthur]

I really want to vote Mazre, but I don't think my body would be able to handle the ensuing hypocrisy overload

lol
Since I have trouble reading you, could you please just admit you're mafia?

 

[Fireblend]

Hey, Trigger, are you scum again? It would really help to know.

Fireblend ok and everyone else, do you believe Mazre was serious about that role claim? What is your feeling about his doing it?

Hard to tell. Claiming ordinary town is a very selfish thing to do if true. If mafia believes you, then you're almost guaranteed to make it past the night because they'll lynch someone else, but of course it means you made their job of finding actual PRs easier by removing yourself from the pool of unknowns. If it's not true, then there's little to say about it until we get more info, as the possibility space widens to a degree where we might as well start talking about imaginary roles and that's not helpful at all.

INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER

 

[Xamtheking]

lol
Since I have trouble reading you, could you please just admit you're mafia?

I'm the 8-shot bulletproof miller vigilante

Spoiler

That was a joke

 

[Sorian]

lol
Since I have trouble reading you, could you please just admit you're mafia?

I feel like your scum hunting technique is just to keep asking and hope someone finally says yes. If I told you I was mafia, would that make it easier on you?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I feel like your scum hunting technique is just to keep asking and hope someone finally says yes. If I told you I was mafia, would that make it easier on you?

Yes.

 

[weemadarthur]

I feel like your scum hunting technique is just to keep asking and hope someone finally says yes. If I told you I was mafia, would that make it easier on you?

Why, yes! Yes it would! Thank you kindly.

It can't be a bad technique if it works once.

 

[Sorian]

Yes.

Why, yes! Yes it would! Thank you kindly.

It can't be a bad technique if it works once.

It's me! Wrap it up and call it a day!

Spoiler

Did this actually work once or are you saying if it eventually works then it's good?