Lol. Be glad this guy is taking the risk to give us anything. People are so fucking ungrateful.
Exactly. Its not been a greatly kept secret since GDC.
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
We're pulling wallstreet into this?
For what it is worth WSJ is accurate as fuck (by their track record). As far as my knowledge, they never posted a 'rumor' article on their tech side, unless they 100% verified it with their contacts in the upper end.
What they post can have big implications in the business and investment world.
Now if this was New York Post, then I would agree, lol.
TetraGenesis
Member
I think that branding would be notably more harmful to their image and message.
Obliterator
Member
Btw I'm not calling into question the veracity of this info due to Media or anything like that. I have my own reasons.
That said Osiris may be on point. I just have reason enough to doubt the info.
That said Osiris may be on point. I just have reason enough to doubt the info.
Mushroom021
Member
This
Nobody is trying to push an agenda, but I try to liken it to this- if it smells like a dog, barks like a dog, walks like a dog, it's probably a dog.
The evidence is way beyond overwhelming, and I can speak at least for myself here though... when something is this painfully obvious, it's hard not to try to let people know. Honestly I feel for a lot of the people who are convincing themselves that this isn't real, because when it drops they will be very disappointed.
I would also like to point out that while a lot of reactions are just that- reactionary, sometimes it goes beyond that. Sometimes negative stuff (psplus paywall, mp3, etc.) that pulls a negative reaction just blows over... other times it has a significant impact on image and reputation. If I was a betting man I would say sony and the console market in general is in for a rough ride once this is dropped. It's all anecdotal, but I've talked to multiple people who will drop the psvr pre-order due to being unsure that their ps4 will run it as well as needed for a good VR experience.
what a drastic change. 8 year cycle straight down to 3 year cycles......will go over soooo well
HanzSnubSnub
Member
Where's the Rigby post? I thought he said the PS4 was capable of 4k Blu ray playback?
Looking forward to the info tomorrow. Get ready for another hundred pages in this thread.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
So you're in a similar position to Osiris but have heard nothing or heard something different?
I think the implications and public perception of "PS5" will be much more confusing to consumers because of the precedent of what the # means in the console space. In the long run, it makes sense. The short term is another issue. PS4K this time, then when people understand the new console model of forwards compatibility, PS5, PS6, etc.
do be careful though, so they're not sending out false info to catch the leaker (even if you confirm other people have that info, it could be they're in the same "cluster" of false info right?)
Wouldn't want you to get in trouble.
Obliterator
Member
Im not going to go into my reasoning really as I'm not making any bold claims. Believe the OP if you want, I'm not outright saying he's wrong. This may be all truth.
I just have my doubts for several reasons.
Mushroom021
Member
You got this right. The stockmarket rules the world, WSJ would 1000% NOT risk their legacy and reputation on this type of announcement, since while consoles will move the needle, they're relatively small in that world.
I'll have to dig it up unless somebody wants to help! It was amazing as always, but he basically explained it like this (bear with me here, very dumbed down version)
Typically at this point when the major components can be shrunk they run at about half the power consumption. This allows for everything to be shrunk into a smaller package and run more efficiently and cooler allowing for the slimlines
In this case he said if they used this and doubled down (i may be interpreting it wrong, but this is just essentially a translation) on the cpu/gpu power it would translate to about 1.8 gflops (or tflops forget which), of power. This lines up with the rumor of 2x the power
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
All this carrot dangling... sigh.
We'll see. You people seem confident in the source, but I just can't see this being real. It's such a fucking weird move for a company that already has the most powerful console on the market, and already control a vast majority of the marketshare to boot.
Most people that have even a passing interest in owning a PS4 already do so. Sure, many will probably buy the new one regardless if they own the original, but most people will just feel annoyed and ripped off.
Also, this would, if true, completely invalidate some of the things that makes me like console gaming more than PC gaming.
From a dev perspective, it's a lot easier to target one SKU instead of two, and from a player perspective I really appreciate the even playing field consoles have traditionally provided me with. And I like knowing I'm getting the same experience as everyone else, even when I'm not playing something competitive.
On the other hand, this would, if true, kind of explain Spencer tip-toeing around potential Xbone upgrades. He might know something.
In summary, maybe it's true, but if it is I neither understand it nor like it.
Hexa
Member
They're going to run into this issue eventually, so might as well bite the bullet and do it while they're ahead. Like, it'll be just as confusing when they launch PS5 and PS5 games are playable on PS4K at lower settings but not on PS4 at all. I don't think waiting and getting people used to it will diminish any damage that would come from the eventual change in what the # indicates.
Thanks. Please try to word it as good as possible so that we could avoid things like "considerable sacrifices" causing shitstorm again.
Mushroom021
Member
Obliterator
Member
Im not trying to carrot dangle I'm really not. I'm trying to assess the situation is all
Mushroom021
Member
That's how it's coming across, but I don't think he's meaning to imply that... and if he is I doubt he has any real sources, just speculation.
I think this would be even more confusing, trying to explain backwards and forward compatibility, having games in PS5 boxes working on PS4 and vice versa. People would get confused.
If I were marketing this, I would call it: PS4
This SKU would come with a 2TB drive, and the box could say something like:
PS4 Enhanced 2TB Edition
and on the back a checklist table showing differences between the two, explaining the price difference.
Actually I think PS4K is a great branding. 4K will be pushed like hell in a lot of mediums from now on, and it is on Sony's best interest to make it popular.
Agree
Also
They should launch it at e3 and get the price to 400 or maybe 450 with GoW4 and regular ps4 to 250 for the holidays
Sony wins
GlamFM
Banned
But you are, and that´s not nice.
Just stating that you are skeptical without implying that you are some insider with some super secret insider super info would be a-ok.
Silent Hill
Banned
Do people think that we will see an Xbox 1.5 too?
Obliterator
Member
Any mod is always free to PM me why I would question this any time they like.
opticalmace
Member
I think so. MS has openly talked about it before. If Sony does I imagine they would too.
Hexa
Member
Backwards compatibility will be well known as a feature so no confusion there.
As for PS4/PS5, I'm sure they can come up some nice way to put both the PS4 and PS5 logos on the front of boxes that are enhanced on PS5.
This is a complete tangent though as they aren't obviously doing this though, so I'm just going to drop it.
Mushroom021
Member
Once again not to push the agenda and drive it home too much but "the source" is the following
WSJ- One of the most credible sources in media, bar none. There is quite literally a 0% chance they would risk their reputation on a scoop as small as this in the grand scheme.
Eurogamer- One of the top publications in gaming and one of the most credible up there with edge.
Patrick Klepek- Some would point to the DRM fiasco, but 95% of the time he's correct. He stands by the DRM thing as well and there's no way to know 100%
2 verified insiders- Insiders have been wrong, people point to CBOAT- CBOAT had an astounding track record, the stuff he got wrong was planted information to smoke him out. Other than that he was either on the nose or off by a hair. Zoetis doesn't have the same track record or osiris, but at the very least Zoetis hit on all 3 major games at e3 last year.
Definitely.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
lol at a potential 500$.. No way Sony is that fucking stupid.
Mushroom021
Member
Ok now the dangling is brought to a new level. I'm bolding this to help bring it to attention. Be careful with this, implying insider status is bannable.
No one reads lables. You should know that. Most people dont even read signs right in front of them at all.
Charlie Demerjian wrote about Sony's plans in 2013.
Mushroom021
Member
This is something people have trouble comprehending. This is why not announcing the bundle at the VR event was a mistake IMO, just because the average consumer might grab the 400 one only to find out later they need the camera.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Sorry, I wasn't asking you to tell me anything. Just curious.
If you go back through the thread I've asked a number questions because some things seem "off". I have no doubt a "new" PS4 is coming in some form, though.
Obliterator
Member
Im not implying anything. If it will make you more comfortable I'm happy to PM with a mod if they want to know why I'm questioning it.
GlamFM
Banned
You´re doing it again. Only this time you are taking it one step further - why?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think this is going to be an enthusiast level, premium product. Think more Xbox Elite controller, and less replacement for existing PS4. With that in mind, I'd much rather pay $500 for a PS4K with better hardware than $400 for PS4K with lesser hardware.
But see, the thing is, you'd come out and say why if you had "inside" info.
Funny thing isn't it, how people actually in the know come out and leak these things but people who sit there and say "I have my reasons for not believing" just look like salty catfish. If you had anything you'd say it, but of course you know that Bishop will vett you and you'll be banned.
Stop playing games with people, it's getting silly.
So you're claiming you're an insider or have inside information.
I just don't understand why they wouldnt just do ps4 ps4s ps5 ps5s and so on
Might as well use branding established by Apple to limit confusion related to backwards compatibility
As someone said above every 3 years sounds good but I think they could also do every 2 years and have 3 compatible consoles supported at a time for a total of 6 years of support per release
6 years of support per release sounds key though
The length of last gen was a fucking nightmare
Might as well use branding established by Apple to limit confusion related to backwards compatibility
As someone said above every 3 years sounds good but I think they could also do every 2 years and have 3 compatible consoles supported at a time for a total of 6 years of support per release
6 years of support per release sounds key though
The length of last gen was a fucking nightmare
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
This is an awful idea if true though. You're in the extreme minority. Sony has been on point because their message and system has been simple and to the point. Adding a 400$ and a 500$ 3 years later to me is a slap in the face and screams of arrogant Sony. So I don't put it completely beside them. I'm expecting a 400$ PS4K and hopefully they still sell the other PS4 version on top of it as well.
cormack12
Gold Member
Do you work in the industry or have access to contradictory information than is being detailed here?
What bothers me about this isn't that I feel like such a drastic refresh is a terrible idea, it's the sickening feeling that I can only assume PS5 is still around the corner in 3 years or so anyway, so this seems like an incredibly expensive band aid to get the most out of the tail end of a generation.
SDCowboy
Member
Agreed. I really feel they should have just called this the PS5 and have it be backwards compatible.
Agree 100%. I think it would help to blunt criticism from those who just bought a PS4 for $350, which is important. I also agree that it's critical that they not brand this as a PS5. It's not a new generation, but a new member of this generation's family and that's important.
I won't even be shocked if there's one last enhanced PS4 in 2019 before a true generational divide to extend this generation to ten years. At the very least the option is there, and a final decision would doubtless be influenced by the state of technology and the competition at the time.
Just to clarify, I'm not denying that there'll be a "PS4K" or whatever, but I highly doubt it'll work as described in this thread.
I'd understand something like a PS4 with identical performance, but with 4K output support, made possible by just nicely upscaling the games native resolution, whatever that may be, on the PS4Ks better GPU.
Something like that maybe.
But just I can't imagine Sony being so dumb as to think that what basically amounts to a new console generation after 3 measly years will go over well with people.
Yeah a key to the $500 price point is just that they need to make sure it is down to 400 or 350 by holiday 2017 depending on when it launches