GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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i wuv you breh.
this last episode what ballbreaker, god damn, i feel pissed. i love this show.
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Better Call Saul S2 |OT| The Truth Is Just A Point Of View - Mondays 10/9c
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i wuv you breh.
this last episode what ballbreaker, god damn, i feel pissed. i love this show.
CharminUltra
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Rewatching episode 9 and just noticed the Abbey Road reference shot.
Goddamn, this show.
Goddamn, this show.
Bro, Dutch Apple Ass
Nacho is pretty rad; the getup he was in during that last scene was pretty hilarious lol. He went all out for the killing field.
And yeah I'm with you on Kim being multi-faceted and certainly not a purely good character; I love the little smoking scenes they show with her. She's a secretive cigarette addict, and it's one of the first character traits they portray of her (hiding her faults.)
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yeah I really love when they smoke in secret.
Spectral Glider
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Well, he has the Dr. who has wanted Chuck committed twice.
NYR
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Spoiler if you want to know who left the note on Mike's window - it's from the prodcuers, so it's legit, lol:
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/04/19/better-call-saul-creators-confirm-episode-title-hidden-message
Pic spoiler: https://mobile.twitter.com/sirena6783/status/714581526696964096
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/04/19/better-call-saul-creators-confirm-episode-title-hidden-message
Pic spoiler: https://mobile.twitter.com/sirena6783/status/714581526696964096
MegaManTrigger
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Did you forget the Hoboken Squat Cobbler already? My god that scene was masterful.
I can't wait for the gag reel for that scene.
Boston Cream Splat. Hoboken Squat Cobbler? Am I speaking French here, boys?
CharminUltra
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DXLelouch153
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i plan on doing that as soon as Better Call Saul ends
PHOENIXZERO
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I love it when sites are a week or more behind on what people have already been discussing.
PsihoPerihelion
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I'm gonna rewatch once I finish this season of BCS.
triplestation
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What year is it?????
Triggerhappytel
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I agree to a point, but then my immediate assumption was that Mike was responsible for Hector's paralysis. There was still some tension there I thought, and I loved it when Mike's plan was disrupted - as someone else said earlier, it's the first time in the series we've seen him not in control.
Robot Pants
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Yea I'm pretty sure the suspense was meant for hector and how he ends up in the wheelchair. Didn't really hurt the suspense at all for me. I thought that was gonna be the reason
Same; kept asking my wife if we had any knowledge of how he ends up in a wheel chair.
Considering his condition in BB a bullet wouldn't make much sense though.
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I thought he was about to stroke out after he heard the money got stolen from the tires. he took a pill.
ATOMICJORGE
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I just watched the season 2 finale on Netflix wow what a cliff hanger ending, to be honest episode 9 was better in my opinion, also that note I'm pretty sure that it was left by Gus or Gus people think about it the other side of the border (USA) it's his territory it something happens to Hector Salamanca there then it's his fault and a war with the Cartel would start
so to avoid that situation he spied Mike with his agents and stopped him in the last moment
Also that Hospital scene was brutal,7 months ago I had an appendix stage 3 and infection surgery and that scene reminded me to that situation
I can't wait to see the next season but come on can someone tell me please why do we have to wait 1 whole year?
Anyway amazing show just like Breaking Bad was
so to avoid that situation he spied Mike with his agents and stopped him in the last moment
Also that Hospital scene was brutal,7 months ago I had an appendix stage 3 and infection surgery and that scene reminded me to that situation
I can't wait to see the next season but come on can someone tell me please why do we have to wait 1 whole year?
Anyway amazing show just like Breaking Bad was
Triggerhappytel
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Why not? A bullet through the top of the spine could paralyse him, and maybe cause a major stroke which removes most of his mental faculties. I mean, I'm no doctor, but I'm just making assumptions here.
HP_Wuvcraft
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I just realized the obvious.
When we see Hector in BB, he's an invalid in a wheelchair that shits himself regularly and cannot speak.
In BCS, he's walking around and yelling.
BCS is set in 2002, and s2 would be 2003. That's only five years before BB. That's not enough time for old age to do its work.
Something fucking happens to Hector. I'm betting it's Mike deciding no half measures.
Also, I just learned that Jimmy's middle name is Morgan.
Vince Gilligan named Saul after his old X-Files writing buddy.
When we see Hector in BB, he's an invalid in a wheelchair that shits himself regularly and cannot speak.
In BCS, he's walking around and yelling.
BCS is set in 2002, and s2 would be 2003. That's only five years before BB. That's not enough time for old age to do its work.
Something fucking happens to Hector. I'm betting it's Mike deciding no half measures.
Also, I just learned that Jimmy's middle name is Morgan.
Vince Gilligan named Saul after his old X-Files writing buddy.
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I think you're onto something there wuvcraft.
Watched it yesterday and thought it was a decent finale. A bit slow for my liking but it had some great moments. I liked the way Jimmy's commercial played and after his ended a commercial for 'Weasel' started, fun stuff. Also, the sound design in Mike's scene was outstanding. The moment the crickets stopped chirping was great, you felt he was vulnerable and he was because someone was onto him.
Chuck going for the long con was cool too, wonder how that's gonna play out,
Chuck going for the long con was cool too, wonder how that's gonna play out,
HP_Wuvcraft
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How long was Jimmy at David & Main?
Morrigan Stark
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It's interesting to see how, despite being right about all the facts, Chuck can't get anyone on his side. Because he's just so damn unlikable, whereas Jimmy is likeable and charismatic as hell.
I mutter things like that all the time. I don't see the problem.
Which, in a metatextual twist, is the actual thing frustrating Chuck. It's one of his central conflicts, that people let Jimmy get away with murder just because he's likable, and he's constantly trying to point out how bullshit that excuse is.
Monocle
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Good stuff, thanks.
Langdon Alger
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Jimmy, you idiot.
Just finished this as well. It's crazy to think that in the end we may have up to 10 seasons of BB related episodes. So far there have been no true weak links.
I think he was taking some pills, when Mike was peeping on him freaking out about the missing cash.
My money is on a stroke, either natural, or induced.
Triggerhappytel
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Exactly, and she can testify that Jimmy is doing all he can to protect his brother and keep him out of any kind of healthcare systems while she has recommended professional help a number of times.
I don't think the tape is going to turn out to be a particularly big deal.
I'm actually reminded of the ending of The Social Network, when Zuckerberg's lawyers decide to settle out of court on the basis that even if Mark's assessment could eventually be argued in his favor, a jury would have been highly unsympathetic towards him.
At the end of the day, being correct or having the moral high ground doesn't excuse one from being a completely unlikable asshole. In the absence of evidence this is what completely undoes Chuck. That said I don't think anyone would just blindly let Jimmy walk away with anything. Kim is the only one other than Chuck who knows what he's done but the only reason she doesn't do anything about it is because she knows he can do so much better. She clearly wants to be to Jimmy what Chuck has failed on all accounts to be - someone to depend on.
Sickboy007
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Well, I say get away with murder as a catchy turn of phrase.
Jimmy has a flair for presentation. I don't know whether it's because he's charming so he can make any situation sound good or that he makes any situation sound good is what makes him charming. But if you say it in sheer literal terms: "Jimmy committed a crime" then there's no getting away with it. But Jimmy wouldn't say that. He'd frame it as helping his associate and friend, making a tiny alteration to the documents, one that is almost meaningless, and easy to fix, with no great loss done to anyone.
A good example is actually the opening scene of the show. That's Jimmy working his hardest to present the situation in as best a light as possible. Everything Jimmy says is perfectly true, but he skirts around addressing what the 3 boys actually did. They were in the thralls of youth, having a good time, something they won't do again, and it was a victimless crime wherein no body got hurt. It's a very convincing defense all things considered. As a counter, the prosecuter says absolutely nothing and simply shows the jury the court tape. There is no attention paid to presentation, neither condemnation or scorn: The prosecutor just shows it like it is: The boys had sex with a head. And just like that, Jimmy lost.
So when I say that Jimmy gets away with murder, it's not that people wouldn't hold him accountable if they had the stark truth of what he does. But he paints everything in the best possible light when he absolutely has to tell the truth, and most of the time, it works. Back when he was working for Davis and Main, Chuck immediately spotted that Jimmy solicited his clients, which he did. But Jimmy worded his explanation in such a way that it was innocent. But if Chuck had evidence of the stark truth, davis and main would be far less satisfied. That may be the biggest contrast with the two brothers. Jimmy tries to distort reality to make it fit his version as much as he wants, but Chuck's skills as a lawyer revolve around citing factual evidence in support of his case. The closest he came to distortion is his rhetorical false assurances that Kim has everything covered to Mesa Verde which itself is designed around layering the amount of factual issues that Kim would have to contend with to serve them, and then he then immediately defaults to simply presenting more factual evidence ("Kim is just one person, we as a firm can handle your needs better).
That said, I think Chuck exasperates this effect. While people like Jimmy, that rarely clouds their vision of him to the extent that his likability is the only reason he can do anything. In his betrayal speech, he cites his likability as the only real reason that Jimmy can be a lawyer, when Jimmy actually worked quite hard doing real (if occasionally unorthodox) detective/lawyer work. The reason the Sandpiper case exists isn't because Jimmy slicked anyone, it's because he noticed a deficiency in the numbers while working a smaller case, found a legal loophole in which to obtain the documents he needed, then reconstructed them (with chuck's help), making a damn federal case. That is authentic lawyer work that chuck tries to ignore. Meanwhile, people actually do like Chuck. He's highly respected and revered. Howard treats him right and defers to him when he is uncertain. Jimmy worships the guy, and takes care of him out of a genuine love even despite all that happened to him. Even Ernie doesn't seem to have an issue with Chuck until he goes ballistic with his crusade. He had a wife that was genuinely fond of him. His issue is less that he is unloved (by the characters within the show anyway. Some people in this thread would mount his head on a pike in front of his burning house.) and more that he feels unloved.
The scene with his mother dying is specially key. There is absolutely no reason to believe that either parent favored Jimmy. That his mom said Jimmy twice before immediately dying could have happened for literally any reason at all. It doesn't mean she loved Jimmy more. That Chuck interprets it that way regardless is more of a statement on his psychology than direct evidence of his parents regard.
Triggerhappytel
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Not long. A few months at most, I'd say.
Deaf Spacker
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What was written on the note that Mike found in his car?
TheLetdown
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Hell yeah.
When Chuck is looking down into the box in his garage, you get the view from the bottom of the box. A callback to the shot when the popsicle truck driver crosses the border, goes into the desert and opens a buried box to pull out a gun.
The recorder being Chuck's gun, following the parallel could hint at the fact that taping Jimmy, while meant as an act of prevention and protection, will end up as his downfall. Or dead in a fresh-dug desert grave, as it seems.
I need to watch Breaking Bad again, because I'm fairly sure that shot was used in there. Maybe with Walter White looking down into one of those infamous barrels?
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I believe it was all caps: DON'T
Deaf Spacker
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Thanks, I glanced away for a second and missed it.
TheRagnCajun
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Jimmy isn't getting disbarred. In BB he is practicing law in the same state, same appearance but under a different name. Something happens to warrant him changing his name but not his complete identity.
I will never understand why Jimmy cares so much about a man who basically regards him as a loser. That he had to spill his guts like that is just absurd. He's a fool for thinking Chuck let his guard down. SMH, Jimmy. He's not perfect but Chuck on the other hand is such a small and petty man. Not to mention, he's literally insane.
I don't think he'll get disbarred given his role in Breaking Bad, but he's in for some serious shit. I bet he loses Kim over this and maybe she'll take a bullet for him, whether she wanted to or not.
I don't think he'll get disbarred given his role in Breaking Bad, but he's in for some serious shit. I bet he loses Kim over this and maybe she'll take a bullet for him, whether she wanted to or not.
TheLetdown
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As the Replacements song goes, "The ones who love us best are the ones we'll lay to rest and visit their graves on holidays, at best. The ones who love us least are the ones we'll die to please."
It's just how the world works, sometimes. It rings very true to me, from personal experience.
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