UpwindPoet24
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I love my 50-inch Vizio M series, its affordable and makes games look awesome and has incredibly low input lag.
http://www.vizio.com/m50c1.html
http://www.vizio.com/m50c1.html
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Buying a 4K TV for PS4K thread!
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pixelation
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WHAT!??, that is crazy man... hope that doesn't come to pass.
Where the Sharp UH30s at?
Really? I have a newer 55" Samsung 4k, and the 4k youtube stuff that I've streamed is incredible looking. A noticeable step up from 720/1080
Omnistalgic
Member
no they just spinoff the division so they could stop losing the overall company so much money and start making a profit. "You're on your own, do good work and support yourself" is what I got from the restructure.
And Sony's TV are consistently reviewed for being some of the best sets to buy for gaming with low refresh rates, and quality displays. I've always felt that other companies just out marketed Sony, there TVs have always been amazing.
I got a cheap Vizio M-50c1 and love it... (600$) 50" but i play really close to the TV (about 2-3 feet) the difference is crazy to me at least... the pixels(subpixels?) on a 1080p set are annoying and noticable to me on my samsung (i can see the little RGB squares) with the pixel density on 4k that is pretty much gone.) but i absolutely love it.
The most important aspect for me though is input lag... make sure whatever 4k you get is less than 24ms (the vizio is less than 18ms on gamemode) anything over 24ms is highly noticeable for me in games like DmC or Street Fighter where button imput and on screen response is precise.
my man!
The most important aspect for me though is input lag... make sure whatever 4k you get is less than 24ms (the vizio is less than 18ms on gamemode) anything over 24ms is highly noticeable for me in games like DmC or Street Fighter where button imput and on screen response is precise.
my man!
The UHD blu-ray player is the ONLY thing that would get me to buy a PS4K. I collect blu-rays and having a UHD player with my game console would be really convenient and I'd probably make the jump to buying 4K media.
I'm pretty sure most of us here know that gaming at native 4K is not going to happen for a long while on home consoles. People do watch movies/TV at 4K.
I'm pretty sure most of us here know that gaming at native 4K is not going to happen for a long while on home consoles. People do watch movies/TV at 4K.
Lord Radik
Member
The 4k media applications for the ps4 are really a non-starter. Any 4k set you buy has the whole suite of apps(Netflix, Amazon...CRUNCHYROLL) and the cpu speed to run them efficiently, unlike the smart TV's that first rolled out. 4k Blu Ray is the big seller here, for me anyway. I've read the bitrates that UHD BR are much higher quality than the 4k streams you'll see from netflix and amazon catalogs.
As far as 4k live television, it's very slow going. Direct TV has 3 4k channels right now, one for PPV movies, one for just random 4k programing(lots of IMAX documentaries) and one for live events. The Masters was the first live 4k broadcast in america, showing the Amen Corner holes all four days. It was pretty sweet.
I guess if I had a perfectly running 1080 set, I would hold off until the 2016 models went to clearance in early 2017. I think they will have deeper discounts and they should all have HDR built in.
As far as 4k live television, it's very slow going. Direct TV has 3 4k channels right now, one for PPV movies, one for just random 4k programing(lots of IMAX documentaries) and one for live events. The Masters was the first live 4k broadcast in america, showing the Amen Corner holes all four days. It was pretty sweet.
I guess if I had a perfectly running 1080 set, I would hold off until the 2016 models went to clearance in early 2017. I think they will have deeper discounts and they should all have HDR built in.
aparisi2274
Member
I have a Sony 65" 4K TV. I am good to go!
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YouTube 4K is is worse than regular 1080p. In other words, never base these things off off YouTube videos, which have horrendous compression and awful quality. Hell, a 4K YT video is going to look considerably better than a 1080p YT vid, even on a 1080p set.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I can only comment on what I have with Android TV on a Sony. Mine is a 2015 model (made in January 2016), with the Lolipop 5.1.1 Android. It has been patched since the launch reviews, and runs very good with little to no issues. It's feature set of being able to have infinite picture settings (for every little mode, video/picture viewing/apps/OS level/etc.) is a huge plus for me as well a lot of other sets seem to lack. I also prefer using it for Netflix and the like over turning on the PS4, and I can't not wait for them to patch Vue into it.
So to me, I did not see any of the issues the complaints have had, but also, I adopted it well after patches and revisions.
Marty Chinn
Member
Yep, I think people buying it now is premature. The standards just got set and just now starting to trickle out. The dust hasn't settled yet.
That's the boat I'm in, too. I doubt any 4K TV that you can reasonably afford will be able to compete with my projector setup. Unfortunately 4K projectors are in a totally different price league.
UpwindPoet24
Neo Member
The Vizio m50-c1 is pretty great for the price, no HDR but i'm using it mostly for games so the upscale is top notch. Can confirm on the low input lag, haven't had any problems. I play Destiny, Dark Souls and Gears of War, all 3 demand low input lag.
Not with that CPU. Well probably a locked 30 at least.
So people can't really see a difference between a 1080p screen and a 4K screen at the 40" size unless you sit right next to it? I mean from half a store away I can see the difference in the 4K screens, the clarity, color, etc. is all incredible and this isn't even counting the OLED panel TVs and the few that are HDR compatible. Some 4K TV's are awe inspiring even when they aren't a gigantic sizes and you aren't sitting right next to one.
That said I'll be getting a 4K TV but that was a decision I made before any signs of a PS4K. I'm still going to wait till next year if not the year after as I want to get an OLED 4K TV with HDR and a good one at that a decent size, 40 inches and up for myself. I don't see sets like these becoming more common till next year and I don't expect prices to drop enough to be reasonable until about 2018. Its a long haul but I've had my current 1080p for nearly 10 years so I can make a TV last.
That said I'll be getting a 4K TV but that was a decision I made before any signs of a PS4K. I'm still going to wait till next year if not the year after as I want to get an OLED 4K TV with HDR and a good one at that a decent size, 40 inches and up for myself. I don't see sets like these becoming more common till next year and I don't expect prices to drop enough to be reasonable until about 2018. Its a long haul but I've had my current 1080p for nearly 10 years so I can make a TV last.
bodeiseifer
Member
JebaćBiedę;201469222 said:
Depends on the game, wii u games. In 720p, look great imo, sf5, a 1080p game however looks horrid
pixel density alone was worth it to me... and the fact that i needed a new TV and the Vizio was 600$ made it a pretty decent move.
All these new threads about the PS4K/PS4.5 are missing this point. Why waste so much time worrying now about shit that hasn't even be detailed yet, let alone had a launch and be in stores able to be bought.
With the rate the 4k displays have been advancing and prices plummeting, it's entirely possible that the new sets this holiday will have that great feature you'll be missing out on if you buy now... or be much cheaper... or both!
UNLESS you're already in the market for a new TV for other reasons, upgrading an already competent 1080p unit for a 4k model based on an unannounced device to go with it doesn't quite make sense to me today.
While everyone watching Netflix 4k may say how amazing it is, if _I'm_ buying a new TV for 4k media, I want optical media to play that won't scale my quality based on my network connection... but that's just me.
Jakartalado
Member
To see how cold Frank Underwood can be in 4K!!!!!!!!
Just kidding.... but not really, I found some of the paronamas used in the last season amazing. The white house itself it shows a lot of symetrical aspects that are beatifull through some of the most amazing conflicts in the forth season.
Too late.... Anatel is the responsible for the internet and mobile services in Brazil and they already stated: "The unlimited internet services must end" and gave the companies 90 days to create apps and websites to check your internet downloads, after that they can and will suspend your internet after 120 GB consumed until the next month (some are just going to reduce the speed to 1 Mb. But with the regular speed around 100 Mb, they can suspend the entire month of contract after 6 hours downloading Quantum Break with the cutcenes as an example).
In other words, they won't defend the users by investing in their services since it costs a lot to invest in internet here, so cut them out.
bodeiseifer
Member
I fail to see how hdr will really be of much benefit on a typical Ltd, the dynamic range is just not there, seems more a futureproofing idea once oled becomes massmarket
Marty Chinn
Member
HDR will have a much bigger impact than pixel density. If someone's TV died, then by all means go get a 4K TV to replace it. I just think anyone who has a perfectly working TV is jumping the gun a bit unless they are willing to replace it again. The end of this year or sometime next year really is when it should be safe to buy one that meets the standards.
Resident_UA
Member
And you know what? If Sony is wrong this will go as 3D TV went and will be over soon. Nothing to loose.
Fbh
Member
I recently got a Samsung JS8500.
It was on sale and I had a gift card from work so I ended up paying like $500 for it.
4K content looks pretty nice and even gaming at 1080P looks a bit nicer than on my previous TV. It does, however, have noticeable dirty screen effect. You can see it mostly on fast moving scenes over even colours, like the sky in videogames. It not a big deal but with some games it's rather clear (like the sky in MGSV, for some reason) and can be annoying
It was on sale and I had a gift card from work so I ended up paying like $500 for it.
4K content looks pretty nice and even gaming at 1080P looks a bit nicer than on my previous TV. It does, however, have noticeable dirty screen effect. You can see it mostly on fast moving scenes over even colours, like the sky in videogames. It not a big deal but with some games it's rather clear (like the sky in MGSV, for some reason) and can be annoying
I came here to say that as well, I have the 65inch that goes for $1000 USD. The 55 and above have better panels IMO but they all are great value.
boyshine
Member
At $399 I'd be shocked if it did.
I didn't want to blame only Sony here as I imagined that Android tv itself was full of problems. For example, I didn't only here about a sluggish interface but also a limited Playstore where for whatever reason you can't install a lot of apps and even if they are sideloaded, they won't appear in the launcher.
IIRC Philips also puts Android tv on their devices and people say the same things.
It shouldn't matter that much for a tv but for me it would be a huge plus if I would be able to put Retroarch on a tv ☺
Edit: can you tell me which hardware this is running on? I would love to here about CPU, gpu and RAM on an Android tv!
metareferential
Member
A 4K set without hdr is worthless.
There are good budget 4k sets, even at good sizes.
But they miss a lot of features (that make 4k shine).
There are good budget 4k sets, even at good sizes.
But they miss a lot of features (that make 4k shine).
Vire
Member
Honestly, I wouldn't go out rushing for a 4K tv for multiple reasons just yet:
1. Little to no 4K content available. Broadcast TV in 4K won't be widely available for another two years minimum. Console gaming will not realistically support 4K gaming unless it's an indie game that requires very little processing power. So you are looking at watching the UHD Blu Ray of The Martian over and over again or compressed Netflix 4K streaming. Yay?
2. Price. The price is still not widely affordable for large sets, which would best take advantage of increased resolution. You are talking around $2500 for a 65 inch set. This will drop dramatically in the next year.
3. The technologies available inside the TV itself are still not perfected. Samsung is having issues with the backlights, (edge lit) and LG has a poor up scaler in the newest set. HDR is also not yet standardized across all 4K TVs, nor is OLED panels.
Your call though.
1. Little to no 4K content available. Broadcast TV in 4K won't be widely available for another two years minimum. Console gaming will not realistically support 4K gaming unless it's an indie game that requires very little processing power. So you are looking at watching the UHD Blu Ray of The Martian over and over again or compressed Netflix 4K streaming. Yay?
2. Price. The price is still not widely affordable for large sets, which would best take advantage of increased resolution. You are talking around $2500 for a 65 inch set. This will drop dramatically in the next year.
3. The technologies available inside the TV itself are still not perfected. Samsung is having issues with the backlights, (edge lit) and LG has a poor up scaler in the newest set. HDR is also not yet standardized across all 4K TVs, nor is OLED panels.
Your call though.
What would you guys suggest as the minimum screen size when buying a 4k TV?
I currently have a 2 year old 49" 1080p Sony Bravia as my main TV and the picture quality is amazing but I got SkyQ installed yesterday and it's 4k ready (12 tuners with 1 reserved for 4k) so I will be in the market for a new 4k TV later in the year, probably when the PS4 neo releases.
I currently have a 2 year old 49" 1080p Sony Bravia as my main TV and the picture quality is amazing but I got SkyQ installed yesterday and it's 4k ready (12 tuners with 1 reserved for 4k) so I will be in the market for a new 4k TV later in the year, probably when the PS4 neo releases.
Do people actually think this thing will get near 4K with games?
and we're done
Plus outside of PC gaming on insane rigs there is next to no content for 4k
Do people actually think this thing will get near 4K with games?
No, but 4K is the future of gaming. 4K is the future of entertainment in general. I'm hoping to get an 4KTV by next year.
ChoklitCow
Member
Id recommend checking the already existing TV thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516410
Much less fud, people actually using reliable websites and their own testing as sources, etc. Everyone is proud of what they own, but its a little more objective there.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516410
Much less fud, people actually using reliable websites and their own testing as sources, etc. Everyone is proud of what they own, but its a little more objective there.
Yeah I want to know that too :/
Is the Samsumg 48" from the OP good enough in size for 4K?
family_guy
Member
This "TV" doesn't have a tuner, so if you do OTA channels you'd need some kind of adapter. Not sure how much that would cost.
SUPARSTARX
Member
Could we also get some detailing if these TVs support 4:4:4 chroma for those that want to double it up as a PC display??
Sure...unless you're sitting like 30'+ away I guess. Maybe cut it off at 40'. If you're sitting inside of 35 - 40' and have good eyesight, it should still look super sharp.
All of my setups' viewing distances are 5' - 20' from the screen. Our screens range in size from 36" - 200" on the projector. I can tell the difference between 4k downsampled even on a 1080p set at those distances.
I'll be looking for a new 65~ 4k by the end of the year. Saving up now. What makes the vizio p so special? Primary use will be video games and blu-rays, but I'd like to future-proof it a little so I'm not rebuying a new tv in 3 years for nexxxxt gen. So, 65, 4k, good for games (low latency, I assume, is what i'd be looking for). As close to $1,000 as possible (I can wait for sales, budget caps out at 2k, but, i'd love to get as close to 1k as possible). Bestbuy has the 65 visio p at 2k right now, I assume it can go down a little by the end of the year or on sale or with some other promo or at some other retailer.
Vire
Member
Impossible, you can't get 65 inch for that price. Unless it was some Black Friday sale where you had to cut someone's arm off to get one.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Do people actually think this thing will get near 4K with games?
That gif had me dying.