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[Darryl M R]

My quick question is even with the NX possibly becoming the most powerful console of this generation will it actually receive third party support?

Aren't people expecting the NX to have some other feature (mobile component)? Similar to how the Wii U has the controller screen. Wouldn't this still make devs hesitant to support the NX?

 

[DrROBschiz]

No E3 just shows how much Nintendo values the show these days (not a lot). Or it might show their confidence in showing off the NX at that point in time. But either way it's very concerning, and we still have no idea what this thing even is.

To be fair they arent alone in pulling out of E3

E3 might continue to decline over the years :/

 

[optimiss]

WHAT?! This is literally the only time when casuals follow gaming. This is the only reason why E3 exists. Not because anyone will watch the conferences, but because news networks will actually plan to dedicate time to reporting on the games conferences.

Look, I don't have anything against Nintendo, but you are stretching the logic here. Anything can happen and this delay could benefit them. But from historic perspective missing a Holiday and missing E3 will not help you sell things.

I bet you could ask 1000 casuals on the street and maybe one person would know what E3 is. You are seriously overestimating its mindshare outside of the hardcore gaming community.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

It wouldn't change the content, but it grants them an audience that may otherwise not watch. And that is what Nintendo needs: to attract more customers.

Yep. E3 just gets wide exposure among core gamers. Even those that don't currently own or care much about Nintendo will at least see some of the news when they're reading over gaming sites etc. even if they don't watch the stage shows. Those folks aren't tuning into a direct, and probably aren't checking game sites as much as they do during E3.

Plus Directs are cheesy as fuck. If they want those to work they really need to let NOA and/or NOE do their own and appeal to the western crowd and drop that quirky NOJ shit that only appeals to their diehard fans in the west.

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

no one is saying E3 is irrelevant

what people are saying is that E3 is losing its relevancy



I'm like 98% positive that this stopped either last year or the year prior

MS press conference was on spike just checked it out.

 

[DragonKnight]

No E3 just shows how much Nintendo values the show these days (not a lot). Or it might show their confidence in showing off the NX at that point in time. But either way it's very concerning, and we still have no idea what this thing even is.

Show you immediately jump to negative conclusions without even considering the possiblity that nintendo simply wants an event all to themselves where they will reveal exactly what you are asking for?

 

[Vena]

https://mobile.twitter.com/imranzomg/status/725355059635171328

Makes me wonder what went wrong, because something clearly fell out and it wasn't just "games are not ready".

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

no one is saying E3 is irrelevant

what people are saying is that E3 is losing its relevancy

Not when the viewership was up 9m from 2014. It's growing in relevance to the audience, as the numbers suggest. EA and Activision are big publishers, but bowing out doesn't mean it's losing relevance in the general sense. Otherwise people wouldn't be watching it to the degree that they are.

When major developers and publishers start bowing out of E3 or giving it less importance, it takes relevance from the show, it's as simple as that. It doesn't mean the show is irrelevant though, it just isn't the end all be all battlefield where everything gets decided.

Of course it isn't, but it hasn't been for years. That doesn't change the fact that Nintendo would do well to expose their console every chance they get. I refuse to believe it's not ready when the system is launching in March next year.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Makes me wonder what went wrong, because something clearly fell out and it wasn't just "games are not ready".

It wasn't ready yet.

 

[Starchasing]

I don't understand, how can you launch a product globally next year and not be ready to show the public in E3? This only means it will be delayed.

They have nothing to show.

NX is probably a mess , like Wii U. They have no ideas of what to do in the current market situation.

Remember how well the Wii was showcased? It happened because it was a great product for its time:

1) The showed the console, not the controller. The said it was a console that could play ALL nintendo games. People were very intrigued.

2) They showed the controller, not the games. Everyone was confused or amazed.

3) They announced the name before e3 so it would not gather attention.

4) They showed lots of games in e3. the doors would open and you could see people running towards Nintendo stand.

5) They had an amazing ad campaign "We would like to play"


Compare that to how the wii u was handled, and how NX is being handled.

They have nothing to show.

 

[Red Devil]

As long as they make a great product with great software I really don't care when they announce it or release. Just make it worth my money.

That's really it.

A whole E3 over Zelda? I'm in. And its going to be the only playable game there too.

Surely though, they will show more stuff? Just not in a playable state. Doubt they are bringing just one game to E3.

Probably, after all there're other games announced for 3DS and a couple more for Wii U.

 

[Surfinn]

Why wouldn't they show off NX at E3? Doesn't it launch in under a year?

 

[phanphare]

MS press conference was on spike just checked it out.

oh ok, never mind

thanks for checking that out

Not when the viewership was up 9m from 2014. It's growing in relevance to the audience, as the numbers suggest. EA and Activision are big publishers, but bowing out doesn't mean it's losing relevance in the general sense. Otherwise people wouldn't be watching it to the degree that they are.

well this year's E3 hasn't happened yet so..

and yeah, big publishers not showing up to E3 does mean it's losing relevancy. I don't see how that could be spun in a different way.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I hope every important detail leaks on the internet before Nintendo reveals it. Come June the NX will be 10 months from launch and they decide to wait even more. And there's not going to be another E3 before launch to show off games. If they wanted to reveal the console outside of E3 my guess would be, just like Sony and MS did, to do it before E3 and then use that event to show off games.

But, as always, Nintendo marches to their own beat.

 

[jax]

March launch. Like the 3DS. Handheld confirmed?

 

[BennyBlanco]

WHAT?! This is literally the only time when casuals follow gaming. This is the only reason why E3 exists.

 

[TheSloth]

March launch. Like the 3DS. Handheld confirmed?

All but.

Classic...

 

[USC-fan]

This is good news for people who wanted at powerful console. 16nm or lower process would be a lot better than 20 or 28nm.

I dont see anyway they would be able to launch this year on 16nm.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Splatoon 2 has to be ready by March

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

oh ok, never mind

thanks for checking that out

but still who knows this year. I also kinda doubt they will this year.

 

[Wiz]

To be fair they arent alone in pulling out of E3

E3 might continue to decline over the years :/

It has been, but at least put something worthwhile in it's place. I love the Directs but it just ain't the same.

Bring back Spaceworld or something!! lol

Show you immediately jump to negative conclusions without even considering the possiblity that nintendo simply wants an event all to themselves where they will reveal exactly what you are asking for?

They could do that and I would be fine, but when would that be? If they're saying March 2017 for release that's less than a year away, and at this point we know nothing. I think the sooner they can show it off the better.

 

[Resident_UA]

I bet you could ask 1000 casuals on the street and maybe one person would know what E3 is. You are seriously overestimating its mindshare outside of the hardcore gaming community.

That's not what I'm saying at all. The reason why E3 is still somewhat relevant is because news networks dedicate time to covering games. It's not much, but it's still more than nintendo direct gets.

 

[Dark Cloud]

The more the time passes the more excited I get again. I can't WAIT to see Zelda blowout at E3!

And I know NX will be revealed sometime after that. It's gonna be good!

 

[Exterminieren]

Disagree. I feel it was planned. Not going to relist all the reasons I mentioned in the past, but yeah. They intended it for 2017.

They teased Zelda for 2016 a few short months ago. 2016 was the intention pretty recently.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

The more the time passes the more excited I get again. I can't WAIT to see Zelda blowout at E3!

And I know NX will be revealed sometime after that. It's gonna be good!

Live from the Treehouse...

 

[axisofweevils]

No E3 just shows how much Nintendo values the show these days (not a lot). Or it might show their confidence in showing off the NX at that point in time. But either way it's very concerning, and we still have no idea what this thing even is.

It's the former. I've said this before, but ever since Nintendo unveiled NSMB2 and a 3DSXL in a Direct one week after E3 ended, they haven't cared about it.

For years, certain people kept insisting "Nintendo's skipping E3 because they have nothing to show. When they have new hardware, they'll be back on stage, playing with the big boys again." - Nope.

In the console world, nothing's bigger than new hardware, and Nintendo are still avoiding showing it at E3. We should all accept that Nintendo no longer considers E3 to be the place for big reveals.

 

[phanphare]

but still who knows this year. I also kinda doubt they will this year.

also they used to have all of the conferences on TV, right? I guess when that stopped I just thought it was all done, wasn't aware that MS was still doing it.

 

[GustyGardens]

I completely forgot about the Nintendo Store events. Their renovations also allows for bigger space and even allow for small tournaments now with that space.

I meant to specify, but Nintendo World was the name they gave their press events when the Wii, DS & 3DS launched. It was basically a Space World successor. That being said, the Nintendo Store could give the public some nice hands on while that event is happening. I haven't been to the new space, but I hear it's really nice.

 

[finalflame]

Let's be positive though, maybe they'll kick off NX with the best launch lineup ever.

Holy crap this is fantastic!

 

[jonno394]

Screw it. I'm not watching Nintendo at e3 live like planned or whatever direct they might have. I'll work instead lol.

I have no interest in a "blow out" about a game I can't play until a console I don't know about is released

 

[CronoShot]

The more the time passes the more excited I get again. I can't WAIT to see Zelda blowout at E3!

And I know NX will be revealed sometime after that. It's gonna be good!

Reggie? Is that you?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Live from the Treehouse...

It's perfect, live from Link's home.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

well this year's E3 hasn't happened yet so..

and yeah, big publishers not showing up to E3 does mean it's losing relevancy. I don't see how that could be spun in a different way.

Because how can it make sense for an event to have a 10m increase in viewership YOY to be losing relevancy.

As I say, Rockstar haven't showed up to E3 for years. Unless E3 starts seeing significant drop in viewers, attendees and exhibitors, then I'm going to continue to oppose this view.

 

[Nanashrew]

WHAT?! This is literally the only time when casuals follow gaming. This is the only reason why E3 exists. Not because anyone will watch the conferences, but because news networks will actually plan to dedicate time to reporting on the games conferences.

It's really not. My two closest friends don't even know it exists and when I've told them about it, they're not interested. And you know what else too? My one friend was a moderator for Ragnarok Online, she's a big PC and console gamer and the show has no interest.

My other friend is a gamer too, and he doesn't even care about E3 as it sounds uninteresting.

I know plenty more people exactly like that. Heck, I'm considered weird by a lot of people for watching video game trade shows.

 

[Menitta]

If they pushed the release of the NX up by 3-4 months in November-December, would that really make much of a difference if it was in March? They'd be able to show it off at E3 and all the upcoming games. Unless they really do have nothing to show and there's only going to be Zelda U and a few ports at launch.

 

[Resident_UA]

It's really not. My two closest friends don't even know it exists and when I've told them about it, they're not interested. And you know what else too? My one friend was a moderator for Ragnarok Online, she's a big PC and console gamer and the show has no interest.

My other friend is a gamer too, and he doesn't even care about E3 as it sounds uninteresting.

I know plenty more people exactly like that. Heck, I'm considered weird by a lot of people for watching video game trade shows.

I'm going to repeat myself, but that's not what I'm saying . The reason why E3 is still somewhat relevant is because news networks dedicate time to covering games. It's not much, but it's still more than nintendo direct gets.

 

[TheSloth]

They teased Zelda for 2016 a few short months ago. 2016 was the intention pretty recently.

For Wii U, then an NX version in 2017.

 

[phanphare]

Let's be positive though, maybe they'll kick off NX with the best launch lineup ever.

holy shit this is amazing

 

[udivision]

So they're developing new games between June and March, demonstrating that their restructuring can lead to 9 month development cycles for AAA games? Sounds good to me.


Lol

 

[phanphare]

Because how can it make sense for an event to have a 10m increase in viewership YOY to be losing relevancy.

As I say, Rockstar haven't showed up to E3 for years. Unless E3 starts seeing significant drop in viewers, attendees and exhibitors, then I'm going to continue to oppose this view.

if EA and Activision aren't significant than we have nothing else to discuss lol

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

also they used to have all of the conferences on TV, right? I guess when that stopped I just thought it was all done, wasn't aware that MS was still doing it.

G4 did. As soon as Nintendo jumped ship to Spike (for 1 year )they stopped

 

[Schnozberry]

Because how can it make sense for an event to have a 10m increase in viewership YOY to be losing relevancy.

As I say, Rockstar haven't showed up to E3 for years. Unless E3 starts seeing significant drop in viewers, attendees and exhibitors, then I'm going to continue to oppose this view.

Companies now have GDC, PAX Events, SXSW, WizardWorld Gaming, EGX, Gamescom, plus their own events and social media to spread the word about upcoming products. E3 is great but lets stop pretending it's the only way to get adequate exposure for a product launch in the internet age.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Before this announcement:

"Man, E3 is going to be so HYPE!!!one11!, I can't (should be a 'not' there) wait. I am so stoked to finally see what Nintendo will bring. They better have their A-game on the World's Stage when all eyes are on the big 3!!!zero11!"

After the announcement:

"E3 is irrelevent, this was a good move by Nintendo. I mean, who watches E3 anyways... it is not like we have threads on here that move faster than the speed of light when it hits. Fuck E3, Nintendo Direct is where it is at."

"P.S. Gerstamann has been forgiven for his TP review, and is so right about his jaded E3 perspective."

Great thread so far. ;P

 

[Gurrry]

For Wii U, then an NX version in 2017.

Wait, so the Wii U version is still 2016???

If thats the case, im not nearly as salty. I bought this god damn Wii U to play some Zelda. Ive waited long enough damnit!

 

[The Horror the horror]

They have nothing to show.

NX is probably a mess , like Wii U. They have no ideas of what to do in the current market situation.


They have nothing to show.

The NX is also a departure from their previous systems architectually, and it represents a major pivot in how they not only make games but do business with other companies. It's a policy shifter. I don't blame them one bit for not wanting to showcase it prematurely.

 

[Red Devil]

So they're developing new games between June and March, demonstrating that their restructuring can lead to 9 month development cycles for AAA games? Sounds good to me.


Lol

What? Is this serious or shitposting?

 

[Deleted member 752119]

It's really not. My two closest friends don't even know it exists and when I've told them about it, they're not interested. And you know what else too? My one friend was a moderator for Ragnarok Online, she's a big PC and console gamer and the show has no interest.

My other friend is a gamer too, and he doesn't even care about E3 as it sounds uninteresting.

I know plenty more people exactly like that. Heck, I'm considered weird by a lot of people for watching video game trade shows.

Sure. But it's even less likely that those folks are aware of, or would care about, Nintendo Directs.

An E3 presence at least gets some visibility to core gamers tuning in mainly for Sony/MS news who would never watch a direct. And that's a way to get the ball rolling assuming they name the console well, market it well (which reaches far more people) etc. in the months afterward.

It's going to be harder for them to build hype this fall and early next year with people all over VR, the new PS4/X1 versions etc. But it was always going to be a tough, uphill battle for them anyway given the mismatch between their IP and the mainstream market's interests.

 

[NESpowerhouse]

The strange thing is we initially thought that this financial conference would answer questions. Instead, it just opened the door to a completely new set of questions.

 

[Father_Brain]

To those who think Q1 2017 was the plan all along: why was Zelda U still dated for this year as of just a few months ago? Were they really just planning to undercut the NX version by releasing it for Wii U months earlier?

For Wii U, then an NX version in 2017.

...well, that's a "yes," then? Agree to disagree, I suppose.

 

[3rdamention]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I assume my opinions are in line with many others.


I just cannot believe that Nintendo would launch the NX early next year, without it ever having a big E3 presence before launch. It would make for some good PR for the mainstream media that attends E3. I know Nintendo will get the word out about the system to everyone else. But during E3, you get a lot of gaming news on non traditional gaming sites. Nintendo may miss that opportunity, especially if they are just focusing on Zelda.