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[User1608]

Must be nice to have the privilege to be able to turn a presidential election into a trollfest.

Indeed. Seems to point to a disturbing lack of empathy. Whatever, at least there are plenty of good, well-informed people out there.

Guilt tripping Bernie voters probably isn't the way to win them over. Just sayin'.

Expressing my thoughts. It really is a weird post. Hard not to when I'm part of several groups that would be affected. Honestly, I feel a bit dirty for a particular reason but eh. I refuse to discuss that post(s) further.

 

[DynamicG]

Never said I don't deserve criticism.

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

Did you think the same for Bernie? I'm legitimately curious.

 

[Frozenprince]

Don't like us criticizing your decision? Tough shit. We have as much right to talk as you.

Free speech is a bitch ain't it, how it works both ways.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Never said I don't deserve criticism.

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

You do know that anarchy is not the same as being a contrarian right?

 

[MThanded]

Never said I don't deserve criticism.

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

So what made you align with sanders as opposed to trump during the primaries? I'm interested

Also did you actually vote in the primaries?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Whoever said it was my party? I don't vote based on parties, I vote based on the people. If I don't like I don't have to vote for them. End of story. Is is that hard to understand?


I honestly think we should express our opinion on the ballot, and that's how I express mine. I don't care if no one cares, and couldn't give a rat's ass of what you think.

I have my opinion, you have yours, let's just leave it a that. If you want to vote for Hillary, then go ahead. I won't.

Regardless of your personal feelings, we're going to have a president.

If this is how you justify us getting a Hitler Clone for a president, then so be it.

Ted Cruz and Donald Trump can really do damage to not only our control but the world. But hey. You have morals.

 

[btrboyev]

I can vote for whoever I want. I vote on my gut.

My gut tells me Hillary would be the worst choice for me personally. Get off your smugness. It is not against the law to switch over and vote for the other side. Ideology and policies do not matter to me. Switching from Bernie to Trump is what I want just for the hell of it and fun.

Who are you to say otherwise? Don't like Democarcy? Tough shit. I have as much right to vote as you.

I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you are an idiot. if ideology and policies don't matter to you, then I suggest you just don't vote. Your shitty views shouldnt negatively affect people who do care.

 

[Frozenprince]

Never said I don't deserve criticism.

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

That's just adorable.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Never said I don't deserve criticism.

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

That doesn't sound very productive. You do know that these elections have large impacts on very real people? And you wanting the system to "crumble" is just a juvenile thing to do?

 

[border]

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

Wouldn't the most contrarian option be voting for an actual Communist or Nazi? I'm sure they have people running, if you want to throw your vote away as part of some adolescent anarchistic streak.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Never said I don't deserve criticism.

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

LGBT people, immigrants and women thank you for this very edgy stance.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I can vote for whoever I want. I vote on my gut.

My gut tells me Hillary would be the worst choice for me personally. Get off your smugness. It is not against the law to switch over and vote for the other side. Ideology and policies do not matter to me. Switching from Bernie to Trump is what I want just for the hell of it and fun.

Who are you to say otherwise? Don't like Democarcy? Tough shit. I have as much right to vote as you.

That's the same reasoning I could use to vote for disbanding the EPA and abolish any sort of environmental law on companies that pollute just to see how badly we can fuck up our air and water.

You know, for the lols!

 

[Frozenprince]

I mean I hear Somalia is great this time of year if you want Anarchy.

 

[teruterubozu]

Another Huelen appears, to the delight of PoliGaf.

 

[fantomena]

I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you are an idiot.v if ideology and policies don't matter to you, then I suggest you just don't vote. Your shitty views should negatively affect people who do care.

I might have to disagreed with you. People don't have to be idiots just because ideology and politics don't matter to them.

 

[Arnie7]

Did you think the same for Bernie? I'm legitimately curious.

Kinda yep. Also I'm not convinced Bernie is the saint everyone makes him out to be.

 

[btrboyev]

I might have to disagreed with you. People don't have to be idiots just because ideology and politics don't matter to them.

Policies not politics. Policies matter. And yes the guy is an idiot for saying such a stupid thing.

 

[legacyzero]

Stay in that race Bernie. But yeah, going by the math, it's just not gonna happen

 

[lawnchair]

 

[The Technomancer]

So people have to vote for Hillary? Not voting or voting green is considered voting republican?

Its not really useful. There's no message sent by doing it. Nader's run in 2000 didn't galvanize further green party success, and no-one is asking you why you stayed back to say "gee people aren't voting, I guess things need to change"

There are ways to communicate dissatisfaction with the system. Not voting isn't one of them, because it doesn't communicate

When contrasted against the fact that, even if you hate Clinton, you must recognize that her presidency would be better for some number of people than Trump and yeah, refusing to vote looks like selfishness, placing your own self satisfaction over the lives of the...hundreds, thousands, millions, whatever number of people she'd be better for. Because even if it is only a few hundred that's worth half an hour of your time

 

[hammysaurusrex]

So people have to vote for Hillary? Not voting or voting green is considered voting republican?

Of course not. No candidate is entitled to a vote - ever.

However, I certainly think it's appropriate to call out self-described 'progressives' when they decide that potentially sacrificing at least one and possibly multiple chairs of the Supreme Court is acceptable because they want to vote for Trump "for the lulz"

They have the luxury in that, once again, the demographic is white, college educated, and age 20-29 - let's be honest, Democrat vs. Republican does not drastically impact them. In contrast, other political groups, which progressives claim to be ally to, are profoundly impacted by court decisions.

Don't get me started on the Green party. When you have that homeopath works (i.e., "magic is real") and that vaccines cause autism as part of your platform... it becomes harder and harder to take with sincerity that you're "better" than the far-right lunatic fringe driven solely by a belief system. People switching to the Green party because they believe pragmatism to be an enemy are simply propping up something even worse in its place - creating a Religion of the Left should not be the goal of progressivism.

 

[Frozenprince]

Its certainly useless. There's no message sent by doing it. Nader's run in 2000 didn't galvanize further green party success, and no-one is asking you why you stayed back to say "gee people aren't voting, I guess things need to change"

There are ways to communicate dissatisfaction with the system. Not voting isn't one of them, because it doesn't communicate

If anything it killed the party.

 

[studyguy]

What a time to be alive.
Fortunately June is just around the corner.

Catching a ban over political fuckery isn't the way to go guys. Come on.

 

[Macho Madness]

I wish you would step back
From that ledge my friend
You could cut ties with all the lies
That you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand, I would understand​

 

[teruterubozu]

If anything it killed the party.

And Al Gore became Mr. Green.

 

[lawnchair]

Its certainly useless. There's no message sent by doing it. Nader's run in 2000 didn't galvanize further green party success, and no-one is asking you why you stayed back to say "gee people aren't voting, I guess things need to change"

There are ways to communicate dissatisfaction with the system. Not voting isn't one of them, because it doesn't communicate

you think that if everyone who was wanting to vote for bernie instead voted for jill stein or mickey mouse that that wouldn't communicate anything?

i'm not saying it would accomplish anything major, but it would certainly communicate, wouldn't it?

 

[Frozenprince]

you think that if everyone who was wanting to vote for bernie instead voted for jill stein or mickey mouse that that wouldn't communicate anything?

i'm not saying it would accomplish anything major, but it would certainly communicate, wouldn't it?

It would certainly communicate that a lot of people wasted their time for nothing, yes.

 

[The Technomancer]

you think that if everyone who was wanting to vote for bernie instead voted for jill stein or mickey mouse that that wouldn't communicate anything?

i'm not saying it would accomplish anything major, but it would certainly communicate, wouldn't it?

Okay fair enough, two different arguments at play here: not voting vs protest voting. I would still question the actual utility of a protest vote, but it would at least be a message in some form

 

[fantomena]

It would certainly communicate that a lot of people wasted their time for nothing, yes.

Well the system will say it's a wasted vote, but maybe they personally will feel good about it?

 

[Htown]

I can vote for whoever I want. I vote on my gut.

My gut tells me Hillary would be the worst choice for me personally. Get off your smugness. It is not against the law to switch over and vote for the other side. Ideology and policies do not matter to me. Switching from Bernie to Trump is what I want just for the hell of it and fun.

Who are you to say otherwise? Don't like Democarcy? Tough shit. I have as much right to vote as you.

You are precisely the kind of person that makes Bernie Sanders supporters look bad.

 

[Arnie7]

I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you are an idiot. if ideology and policies don't matter to you, then I suggest you just don't vote. Your shitty views shouldnt negatively affect people who do care.

Land of free truly. Guess some people think they are better and more qualified than others to do so. Okay we will leave it to uber superior race like yourself to vote only then.

Pot meet kettle...

Why? Did I tell someone to stop voting because their view dones't match my own?

I hope you realize that you're part of the reason why this country is becoming shit.

Same could be said for you.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Okay fair enough, two different arguments at play here: not voting vs protest voting. I would still question the actual utility of a protest vote, but it would at least be a message in some form

Given the nature of the electoral college, I'd still lean towards there being basically zero utility.

Well the system will say it's a wasted vote, but maybe they personally will feel good about it?

Government should probably be about governance. Not feels. Feels aren't going to run a country.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Land of free truly. Guess some people think they are better and more qualified than others to do so. Okay we will leave it to uber superior race like yourself to vote only then.

Pot meet kettle...

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I guess I should explain I'm pretty anarchistic and will always vote for the contrarian option - that's the way I operate. The whole political system is a joke to me. I want to see it crumble and Trump is best option for that.

I hope you realize that you're part of the reason why this country is becoming shit.

you think that if everyone who was wanting to vote for bernie instead voted for jill stein or mickey mouse that that wouldn't communicate anything?

i'm not saying it would accomplish anything major, but it would certainly communicate, wouldn't it?

If it doesn't accomplish anything, why in the fuck are you doing it?

Well the system will say it's a wasted vote, but maybe they personally will feel good about it?

Who cares if they personally feel warm and fuzzy?

They still contributed to actual, tangible bullshit.

People that don't vote or don't vote for a statement are shits. They don't care about other people. They only care about feeling superior.

 

[Fenderputty]

I can vote for whoever I want. I vote on my gut.

My gut tells me Hillary would be the worst choice for me personally. Get off your smugness. It is not against the law to switch over and vote for the other side. Ideology and policies do not matter to me. Switching from Bernie to Trump is what I want just for the hell of it and fun.

Who are you to say otherwise? Don't like Democarcy? Tough shit. I have as much right to vote as you.

Clearly. Nor the people those policies affect either.

 

[Frozenprince]

Given the nature of the electoral college, I'd still lean towards there being basically zero utility.

If anything you're communicating that you don't care if an oligarch nutjob became president by you splitting the vote because you're mad at the Democratic party for not being leftist enough.

It's completely counter productive and counter communicative. You don't have any practical value for either.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Look, I just wanna be able to do crazy and irrational things with the potential to hurt people, and I want to be able to do it without anyone questioning my motives or my sanity. Geez, and I thought this was America!

 

[Azure Dream]

At this point, Bernie is Plan B if something goes stupidly wrong with Clinton. (And no, I'm not referencing Clinton's prior remarks. Because someone's going to.

Spoiler

And no, this doesn't count.

) No point in officially throwing in the towel now.

The Republicans have demonified her to the point where a big chunk of America that consider her the literal Anti-Christ. They're going at her from every angle, no holds barred. Somebody could land a stupid sucker punch, and there's no point in being caught without a backup strategy when there's this much at stake. He can definitely afford to tone it back, which it sounds like he's going to do.

 

[commedieu]

Must be nice to lulvote.


As clearly none of the issues really matter to your quality of life.


In the face of blatant fascism too...


Must be reallllllllll nice.

Protest voting when people are talking about reverting to the stone age, and building walls.

Again..

Must be nice.

 

[Gattsu25]

What are Bernie's chances of getting the nom? Has to be fairly low at this point, right?

In that context, this move makes perfect sense.

The Hillary hoes are going to be unbearably smug when he drops out

What the hell is this shit?

 

[Frozenprince]

At this point, Bernie is Plan B if something goes stupidly wrong with Clinton. (And no, I'm not referencing Clinton's prior remarks. Because someone's going to.

Spoiler

And no, this doesn't count.

) No point in officially throwing in the towel now.

The Republicans have demonified her to the point where a big chunk of America that consider her the literal Anti-Christ. They're going at her from every angle, no holds barred. Somebody could land a stupid sucker punch, and there's no point in being caught without a backup strategy when there's this much at stake

And yet, Trump is still polling at historically (and by a large margin) bad numbers for a GE.

It's a slaughter, Trump has no chance, at all, in any capacity unless every person of color and most women just up and died.

 

[lawnchair]

If it doesn't accomplish anything, why in the fuck are you doing it?

i didn't say i'm voting for the jill stein/mickey mouse card. but i think people "protest vote" for various reasons. whatever their reasons may be, i think its perfectly legitimate to not vote for candidate X if you don't like candidate X and candidate X is the only person the party is telling you you can vote for.

 

[excelsiorlef]

you think that if everyone who was wanting to vote for bernie instead voted for jill stein or mickey mouse that that wouldn't communicate anything?

i'm not saying it would accomplish anything major, but it would certainly communicate, wouldn't it?

If everyone who wanted Bernie voted Green it would absolutely achieve something major.

It'd allow Trump to win or Paul Ryan and the GOP to select the next President

A proud historical moment that would be.

Also it would send a message that anti-vaxxers are legit. So yay being pro vaccines cause autism I guess.

 

[Frozenprince]

i didn't say i'm voting for the jill stein/mickey mouse card. but i think people "protest vote" for various reasons. whatever their reasons may be, i think its perfectly legitimate to not vote for candidate X if you don't like candidate X and candidate X is the only person the party is telling you you can vote for.

It's legitimate to do sure.

But it has less than 0 value. It's actively detrimental to the statement you are attempting to make. If you have a problem with the Presidential candidates, vote down ticket, shift the house and senate, and start campaigning and lobbying a candidate you like to run in the next election cycle.

Don't just not vote or make a protest vote.

 

[Arnie7]

Look, I just wanna be able to do crazy and irrational things with the potential to hurt people, and I want to be able to do it without anyone questioning my motives or my sanity. Geez, and I thought this was America!

By that logic anyone that voted for Bush has millions of Iraq's deaths on their conscious. Voting for someone is not the same as condoning their possible future actions they may or may not take.

 

[fantomena]

Government should probably be about governance. Not feels. Feels aren't going to run a country.

I know, Im just questioning.

 

[gate stormer]

I feared it would come to this. Now we're left with 2 super villains.

 

[Team Alucard]

And yet, Trump is still polling at historically (and by a large margin) bad numbers for a GE.

It's a slaughter, Trump has no chance, at all, in any capacity unless every person of color and most women just up and died.

Trump needs to flip Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida to get to 270.

Two rust belt states where his message resonates the strongest and a traditional battleground state that Obama won by less than one percent.

 

[ClosingADoor]

By that logic anyone that voted for Bush has millions of Iraq's deaths on their conciseness. Voting for someone is not the same as condoning their possible future actions they may or may not take.

Bush didn't run on a program of "let's invade Iraq". But yes, unless the person does a complete 180 after election day, you are responsible for voting them into office and giving them the power to do those things.

 

[Frozenprince]

By that logic anyone that voted for Bush has millions of Iraq's deaths on their conciseness. Voting for someone is not the same as condoning their possible future actions they may or may not take.

Yes, it very much is. You're condoning a president, in this case (Trump) who's party lines and policy stances would actively make me fear for my life in this country.