I thought he was just joking with that post lol.
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NX launching in March to make sure there are games to go along with it
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I thought he was just joking with that post lol.
brainchild
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brainchild
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Yeah, not only would that make little business sense, it would be an unmitigated disaster.
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
I tell you, I am not looking forward to an additional 3-4 months of NX rumor threads.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No one cares about SpaceWorld, they're likely going to have a Fall event like they did for the Wii U in New York.
The one where Trinen was demoing Metroid Blast and Bayonetta 2 was shown very briefly.
Maybe more. That's the worst part of all this.
brainchild
Banned
I'm not either, to be completely honest. These last few months have been a full on shit show as far as rumors are concerned. I was hoping all of that could be put to bed by E3, but nope.
Ugh, you're right.
I was somewhat joking
I agree on the event thing; really curious when we'll get one.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I was somewhat joking
I agree on the event thing; really curious when we'll get one.
Think "end" of the year and you can't be crushed...again.
Baleoce
Member
I remember this as clear as day from that awards show xD
KamiCrit
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Zelda 2015 where are you!?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Um, the 3DS and WiiU and researching for the NX which hardware wasent anywhere near final until like now?
I don't think they need to. But I would also like to know something sooner rather than later, sure!
The console, name, concept, price etc will be unveiled at the same event - that seems logical and is usually the case.
I think launch lineup will come separately along with pre-order details and exclusive deals with retailers etc.
Could be more. I think ~4 months is about right though. Early September seems to feel good. (pure guesswork)
That would put it about 6 months before launch - which is actually cutting it quite fine given the precedent for console unveiling/launch periods.
Their studios are on a ~3 year dev cycle, and judging by the quality and gameplay volume of their games as well as taking into consideration that they're pretty small employee wise, I'm content with the way Nintendo is managing their development teams in general.
I prefer this over the western AAA model of annualized franchises and having several hundreds of people working on a game.
Alot of their problems will be solved if they only had to support one platform instead of spreading themselves thin on two. That way they can remain 3rd party independent as well (having 3rd parties would be a bonus, but the compromises and investments required to get an audience who would buy AAA multiplats on a Nintendo system are too big so it's not worth it)
Feel free to share.
The likelihood of 14nmFF still seems slim to me, but it is certainly a possibility and therefore a possible reason for delay.
I'm hoping they go the same route Sony did with PS4. A dedicated, live event. Invite the press, publishers, developers, etc... Make the message clear. Show the console, the controller, the concept, talk about titles in development and launch expectations. Talk price. Cover all details. Hold the event in late summer/early fall.
After that, have one Direct per month until launch, with each Direct focusing on one title in development for NX. Keep our appetites wet by feeding us game info and footage. Keep them short and sweet(about 20-25 minutes). Include some developer commentary.
To think that we got this footage one and a half years ago... man. I'm really curious to see how the game has progressed since we last saw it!
I'm not sold on the value of having a large library at launch, especially if it means missing the Christmas shopping season. My favorite console ever, the N64, launched with two games. They were both awesome and that was enough for a while.
I realize that people with much more at stake have put much more thought into this than me and that the market is more complicated now, but I'd still rather play the shit out of a few games for a few months instead of playing nothing for those months just so the console can launch with a bunch of stuff I'd never buy anyway.
I realize that people with much more at stake have put much more thought into this than me and that the market is more complicated now, but I'd still rather play the shit out of a few games for a few months instead of playing nothing for those months just so the console can launch with a bunch of stuff I'd never buy anyway.
And that seems to have been their goal for several years now. NX will finally be the fruit of this endeavour - so it stands to reason they want to get it right straight off the bat. With this in mind I fully understand them taking their time. Nintendo is basically in stasis right now. WiiU is dead, they've hit rock bottom reputation wise; may as well take all the time they need to get the pipeline for NX support perfect.
If after all this NX still suffers from the same old delays in 1st party titles, and lack of momentum: heads must roll.
I believe it's the pipeline of games that is more important than the initial launch lineup. Unless there's a consistent stream of titles hitting regularly for the first year it just kills momentum. So the delay may be more to ensure there are games lined up correctly for the launch period and beyond, more than to ensure there are games for day 1.
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Deleted member 752119
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The issue is that it's hard to have a killer title for everyone with only a couple of launch titles. Not everyone likes Mario or Zelda or Metroid or Pikmin or whatever else they're considering launching with.
The more variety you have in the launch library, the more people you have a killer app for and the more people who early adopt. And as others note, they really need a steady lineup of games releasing over the first year or two if their going to bounce back. If they have a barren launch and/or long droughts people will say it's the Wii U all over again.
You can get by without a big library if you have a true, revolutionary killer app like Mario 64 or Wii Sports, or if you have a ton of hype built up even despite not having a killer launch line up like with the PS4.
Nintendo doesn't have the latter at all, quite the opposite as many are very down on them after the Wii U. And I kind of doubt they'll have a new title on par with Mario 64 or Wii Sports since all the leaks have been focused on Zelda NX and Wii U Ports and Pikmin 4 so far. But only time will tell on that.
Based on the artwork they just showed, apparently no groudbreaking changes visually, at least since June 2014--almost two years ago. What the hell else have they been doing, I wonder?
Didn't know where post this, according ZhugeEX KOEI TECMO confirm that they are starting development on Nintendo's new console codenamed "NX".
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/725586594711916544?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Not sure if it's thread worthy, will probably be buried into Nintendo hate post anyway
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/725586594711916544?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Not sure if it's thread worthy, will probably be buried into Nintendo hate post anyway
OrbitalBeard
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Exactly. I highly doubt the early 2017 release has much to do with the launch titles and more to do with the post-launch schedule. At least, I really hope that's the case. If Nintendo is struggling with launch titles, then it's the Wii U all over again.
Didn't know where post this, according ZhugeEX KOEI TECMO confirm that they are starting development on Nintendo's new console codenamed "NX".
Not sure if it's thread worthy, will probably be buried into Nintendo hate post anyway
A thread was made but locked, since he's a banned NeoGAF user.
If I know Nintendo, they won't. They'll just spin it and keep dying a slow death, throwing things at the wall, trying in perpetual vain to recapture Wii's success.
hopefully i don't know nintendo
Everyone will always struggle at launch. Your first attempt in a hyper limited schedule built on a moving target platform is just a fact of life.
Isn't he a reliable source?
OrbitalBeard
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I've never been worried about the NX launch, because, like you said, console launches are usually a struggle, so it's not like a sub-par launch lineup is going to kill the NX's chances of success. I am, however, concerned about its first year. If releasing the platform in March ensures a steady stream of content throughout 2017, then it'll be worth the wait for sure.
dragonflys545
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Are they sure it'll be ready by March 2017? If the Wii U is any indications... There were delays for quite a few games and announcements happened way to early for many games too.
Checking the gaps again, it's actually extremely close. The market has changed quite a bit though, so I decided to add a little more context to this by mentioning that 14nmFF LPE phones started shipping in Q1 (though that's not the same as 14nmFF LPP). The important thing to note here is that Wii U was the only time time that Nintendo was behind Sony or Microsoft, so if Sony is able to use 14nmFF chances are decent that Nintendo can. Also, there has not been a case of a home console using a 5-year-old node in the last 20 years, though this is a unique situation. Basically, it all comes down to what Nintendo was planning when they first started working on NX. I believe that 14nmFF was planned for an earlier release back when Nintendo started planning in 2014.
Something to note is LPE was an early version of 14nmFF, so it was only useful for smaller chips, I'm fairly certain that the work on that process leads directly into LPP. Also, a handheld might be able to use LPE since that would b a small SoC. I'm not totally sure how it all comes together, but I'd say that it's definitely not impossible.
Either way, phones are a pretty big wrench here. Samsung should move all of the mobile chips they're manufacturing for Q1 2017 products to 10nm. That does theoretically free things up a bit, but the problem is that the Apple A10 (at least the ones made by Samsung) is most likely a 14nmFF LPP product. Note however that GPUs are expected to stay on 14nmFF LPP for several years, so it's possible that yields on large chips will still be pretty bad and Sony was only able to get a deal due to their success.
If Nintendo were to do it, it would most likely be either just a mobile chip or a heavily cut down GPU in terms of disabled CUs. I'm talking Polaris 11 with 14CUs (the full chip is expected to have 20) or Polaris 10 with 30 or 32CUs (full chip is 40). It's definitely a stretch, but it's not as unlikely as many think. Nintendo using an off-the-shelf 14nm ARM CPU would help a lot as well, making the chip smaller and increasing the effect of economies of scale.
I'm the opposite. I want those to be a surprise.
For anyone wondering why I'm different than I was yesterday:
Version 3.0
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Yes, in fact exactly that scenario has happened.
The Nintendo 64 was announced to release in fall 1995, but was (first) delayed to April 1996. It actually arrived in June 1996, but only in Japan. The US release was further delayed to September 1996 - and still only launched with 2 games.
And that's just the one we know of because of public announcements. I still maintain that the Wii U was a year late, and probably the Gamecube as well. Their predecessors were absolutely starved for games the year (or more) prior.
And I still stand by my prediction that the NX will actually arrive in calendar Q4 2017. They're going to delay it again. They've only moved it to March now because that's as far back as they can push it without moving it out of their fiscal year.
Pop-O-Matic
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FTFY
AstroNut325
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Any word if the delay is because they can't get the new hardware to perform at the desired level or are they having trouble shoehorning the NX gimmick?
Starchasing
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Totally agree. It does not make sense to release march 2017 and show nothing at e3. I think they just dont know what to do
Or they just want, you know, a better lineup than Wii U.
Or they're not telling the whole truth.
Honestly, if that happened, they'd be better off scrapping the thing because it would juist be too close to next-gen to be worth releasing. They'd gain more from just releasing the handheld and starting from scratch with the console.
Ocarina_117
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If the delay is to ensure games are there AT LAUNCH its a good move.
Hypothetically, should the console have released this winter with games like CoD, FIFA etc I don't think it will have done very well. Those games will be available on the Xone and PS4 where the majority will purchase them. They'd may have been rushed ports and not really helped.
Yes the holiday season will have boosted the sales but one holiday season isn't the be all end all. Releasing in March moves them out of the busy winter schedule and allows them to be the focus; they can still have ports of releasing games while also allowing time for major 3rd party games such as CoD and FIFA being on the console for the holiday season 2017.
It also allows 6 months of nintendo releases, of which I hope there are many, to build momentum into the holiday season and make the console an attractive proposition for the public then.
E3 is a disappointment yes, I really do think given the floor space booked they planned on unveiling the console next month and releasing this year. However given what Iwata has said about the console and not wanting to show it too early, where they suffered with the Wii U imo, I can see why they'd also delay the reveal.
Should the PS4Neo and Xone2 be releasing this holiday season, nothing is stopping nintendo from unveiling their console in october/november time (i think it will be september) to steal the thunder, so to speak. They will still get the large media coverage holding their own conference and inviting press, as they would at e3. Being distinct from possible Neo and X1-2 reveals may also be beneficial.
As someone with many Wii U games to catch up with this summer, the drought doesn't bother me. However it is poor from nintendo to treat fans this way. They NEED to do A LOT of work to regain customer confidence. Personally, I will accept their apology with W101-2 and Bayonetta 3.
Edit - I also feel that releasing this winter with full 3rd party support may have done some harm. The titles will not sell as well on other consoles. The momentum carrying over to holiday next year may provide a bigger install base and allow for more major third party game sales on the console - building 3rd party confidence.
Hypothetically, should the console have released this winter with games like CoD, FIFA etc I don't think it will have done very well. Those games will be available on the Xone and PS4 where the majority will purchase them. They'd may have been rushed ports and not really helped.
Yes the holiday season will have boosted the sales but one holiday season isn't the be all end all. Releasing in March moves them out of the busy winter schedule and allows them to be the focus; they can still have ports of releasing games while also allowing time for major 3rd party games such as CoD and FIFA being on the console for the holiday season 2017.
It also allows 6 months of nintendo releases, of which I hope there are many, to build momentum into the holiday season and make the console an attractive proposition for the public then.
E3 is a disappointment yes, I really do think given the floor space booked they planned on unveiling the console next month and releasing this year. However given what Iwata has said about the console and not wanting to show it too early, where they suffered with the Wii U imo, I can see why they'd also delay the reveal.
Should the PS4Neo and Xone2 be releasing this holiday season, nothing is stopping nintendo from unveiling their console in october/november time (i think it will be september) to steal the thunder, so to speak. They will still get the large media coverage holding their own conference and inviting press, as they would at e3. Being distinct from possible Neo and X1-2 reveals may also be beneficial.
As someone with many Wii U games to catch up with this summer, the drought doesn't bother me. However it is poor from nintendo to treat fans this way. They NEED to do A LOT of work to regain customer confidence. Personally, I will accept their apology with W101-2 and Bayonetta 3.
Edit - I also feel that releasing this winter with full 3rd party support may have done some harm. The titles will not sell as well on other consoles. The momentum carrying over to holiday next year may provide a bigger install base and allow for more major third party game sales on the console - building 3rd party confidence.
Father_Brain
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So, one example twenty years ago, and one case of GC's NA launch being delayed two weeks. Since then, the number of times they've delayed a platform from an officially announced date or timeframe is, to my knowledge precisely zero.
I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, especially in light of the E3 shenanigans, but the narrative that Nintendo is particularly prone to hardware launch delays seems pretty flimsy to me. PS3 was officially announced for a spring 2006 launch, and yet no one harps on that these days.
Imperfected
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Possibilities:
1. The platform has some sort of feature/architecture that makes it harder to develop for than anticipated. (Pray this is not the case.)
2. Nintendo's teams are yet again having "growing pains" adjusting to modern development, as they did during the "HD Shift" (and may have never fully grown out of).
3. There's been a complete refactoring at some point along the line that has caused predictable project overruns on all software development.
4. They're actually doing fine on software, but basically decided they want to "punt" this holiday to avoid the VR and PS4K drop. (This presupposes that the March date will be shockingly missed and they're actually aiming for somewhere in Fall 2017.)
5. The third party support is so completely abysmal that they're basically trying to float a launch window line-up completely solo, and god only knows how you even do that or if it's even remotely possible.
Whatever. Hard to get hyped right now because I have no idea what the NX is and what it's capable of. I can wait if it gives time for some launch games, but what I Really want is Wii-U backwards compatibility. There's a handful of games I wanted to play on the Wii-U, but couldn't cuz I aint got one.