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Official Call of Duty®: Infinite Warfare Reveal Trailer + MW footage

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sammyCYBORG

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The COD4 beta code I got fron Eurogamer is still one of the best surprises ever. Such a revolution.

It's a shame 10 years later nothing has really advanced the genre.
 
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TheCanisDirus

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sammyCYBORG said:
It's a shame 10 years later nothing has really advanced the genre.
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This is my biggest gripe with the franchise. MW was such a leap and nothing has come close ever since. We need a "fresh start" with a new base game that changes things up a little. BOIII was the closest to achieving it but it's still modern COD as we know it.
 
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TheCanisDirus

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sammyCYBORG said:
It's not just COD. No franchise has revolutionised it since. Every damn game has levels and unlocks just like MW.
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Not true. Have you played Overwatch yet? My first experience with a shooter like that and it's a breath of fresh fucking air!

But i get what you're saying... the major shooters like BF, COD etc., right?
 
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ScherzoPrime

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snowblind said:
This is my biggest gripe with the franchise. MW was such a leap and nothing has come close ever since. We need a "fresh start" with a new base game that changes things up a little. BOIII was the closest to achieving it but it's still modern COD as we know it.
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I'd say AW was more successful, even though it was more traditional in its game design. For the best, I'd say.
 
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Bishop89

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MilkyJoe said:
Just a quicky from the other MW thread

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/ACTIVISION/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202602769&postcount=210
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plz be true
 
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sammyCYBORG

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snowblind said:
Not true. Have you played Overwatch yet? My first experience with a shooter like that and it's a breath of fresh fucking air!

But i get what you're saying... the major shooters like BF, COD etc., right?
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Yeah fair point. I do mean the big military shooters more though yeah.
 
Tal Shiar Agent

Tal Shiar Agent

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We won't be able to see active players on either game. So we won't know for sure the split between IW and COD4R. Funnily enough both AW and BO3 have the ability to show active player counts but the feature was turned off for retail release.
 
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karmaforgotme

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snowblind said:
Not true. Have you played Overwatch yet? My first experience with a shooter like that and it's a breath of fresh fucking air!

But i get what you're saying... the major shooters like BF, COD etc., right?
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I haven't played Overwatch yet (I will get the open beta), but I hope you are right. I spent almost 4 years playing TFC, and this is the first game since that gives me those Team Fortress vibes (I am of course ignoring TF2 in that comment).

That said you are talking about a game that is not even released yet (and I do hope it changes stuff). I can't think of any game that has changed online competitive shooters like CoD4 did since 2007 (when CoD4 was released). You can talk about games like Splatoon or other games as being different, but some far there has been no ground swell of change like what happen with CoD4.
 
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E92 M3

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sammyCYBORG said:
The COD4 beta code I got fron Eurogamer is still one of the best surprises ever. Such a revolution.

It's a shame 10 years later nothing has really advanced the genre.
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Funny enough I hated the beta and then fell in love with the game.

Also, Vacant better be in!
 
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karmaforgotme

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SG-17 said:
Has anyone gotten a beta code from an Amazon preorder? My BestBuy one didn't come with a beta code.
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Amazon sent me an email the next day with a code in it. While I haven't redeem it yet it does say it is for a future offer from the game.

Tabby said:
Overwatch and Titanfall? I like to think those games came closeish.
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I think he is talking about influence on other games, while Titanfall has some influence (no where close to what CoD 4 did), Overwatch is not even released yet. Also I need to see how derivative it is of the TF games first. I know it is suppose to be different than TF, but I heard it described as a 'twist on Team Fortress 2'. Also at one time I thought TF type games would be the next big trend, but they never really did catch on. I would love for class based team shooters to catch on. I have high hopes for Overwatch to say the least.
 
DoomGyver

DoomGyver

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Let me say this first, I'm not excited for Infinite Warfare at all. All I want is COD4 remastered. But what pains me is the fact that COD4:R will ship with LESS content than the original COD4. I just know Activision is going to DLC the content that originally came with the base game. That to me, is completely unacceptable. I can't support that. I'm willing to bet that behind the scenes the developers at IW and Raven don't support this practice.
 
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karmaforgotme

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OK I just redeem my Amazon code I got for pre-order on the CoD website. After I redeemed it, this is the message I got (it is tied to your PSN or XBL id)

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So everyone who pre-ordered from Amazon should of gotten a code.

Edit: I placed the order on May 2nd, and received the 'code' email on May 3rd. So 24 hours later.
 
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Beefy

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Kalentan said:
It's part of the backlash where people want to go back to Modern Times or WW2 so we can use the same guns, locations, and such as we had for previous games. Back to the creativity deadzone of last gen.
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WW2 is better then this imo. I haven't disliked the trailer, but I will be skipping COD once again.
 
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Beefy

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Kalentan said:
How is it better? What could CoD do now in WW2, that they didn't do in CoD 1 - 3 and WaW?
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I like the setting better and I like real guns better. I have always been into the older wars and I like WW films etc. There are loads of past wars they could do. I just don't like future wars that much.
 
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Bergerac

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As someone that has played more COD4 than most people - if they don't update elements of the gameplay, a graphical update is useless to me.

I won't be excited about MWR until they confirm that killstreak rewards can't be chained in MP, that the campaign has been modernised with a finite amount of enemies, that they've removed the more garbage perks, etc. Otherwise what was the point in fixing all of these mistakes in subsequent iterations?

I'm not going to be hyped over a graphical upgrade.
 
AHA-Lambda

AHA-Lambda

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Kalentan said:
It's part of the backlash where people want to go back to Modern Times or WW2 so we can use the same guns, locations, and such as we had for previous games. Back to the creativity deadzone of last gen.
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I don't think that's fair, we've got 3 studios working on CoD why can't they mix it up? This will be the 5th futuristic title now, I've not been moaning about it but even I want something different.
 
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Bergerac

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AHA-Lambda said:
I don't think that's fair, we've got 3 studios working on CoD why can't they mix it up? This will be the 5th futuristic title now, I've not been moaning about it but even I want something different.
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Agreed, I don't see why they didn't keep 'somewhat' modern going alongside. I was honestly Ok with the idea of Ghosts 2. All 3 studios going futuristic is as much of a creative deadzone.
 
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etta

my hard graphic balls
Beefy said:
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Activision should probably announce soon that it will release as a standalone soon after release.
Kalentan said:
It's part of the backlash where people want to go back to Modern Times or WW2 so we can use the same guns, locations, and such as we had for previous games. Back to the creativity deadzone of last gen.
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Innovation does not mean you need a new setting and timeframe.
 
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Kalentan

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AHA-Lambda said:
I don't think that's fair, we've got 3 studios working on CoD why can't they mix it up? This will be the 5th futuristic title now, I've not been moaning about it but even I want something different.
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I mean... Do they even want to? Sure you can "mix it up", but if mixing it up, means that one team has to go back and just basically recreate what's already been done in the series, that would be just boring. At least with future, they can be creative.

Bergerac said:
Agreed, I don't see why they didn't keep 'somewhat' modern going alongside. I was honestly Ok with the idea of Ghosts 2. All 3 studios going futuristic is as much of a creative deadzone.
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Not really? I'd say going back is far worse. What else can they do? No one has answered that question. At least with future we can start to see stories with less than perdictable outcomes.

etta said:
Innovation does not mean you need a new setting and timeframe.
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Okay, so I want to ask this question again, since no one answers it. Okay, so innovation doesn't mean you need a new setting. That is 150% true. However, i'd argue that they can't really "innovate" that much in Modern and WW2 settings without starting to become other games. So I'll ask again, what can they do now in those settings, that they didn't do before?
 
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Hubble

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AHA-Lambda said:
Is this just cause of MWR?
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No, most people do not know the details of how MWR works. It is because people are growing fed up with the futuristic settings in COD and no boots on the ground. People are hating all the jumping and flying and the futuristic weapons. People want modern warfare. I am glad people are speaking up and voting with the dislikes. Usually, videos have a lot of likes no matter what.
 
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etta

my hard graphic balls
Kalentan said:
I mean... Do they even want to? Sure you can "mix it up", but if mixing it up, means that one team has to go back and just basically recreate what's already been done in the series, that would be just boring. At least with future, they can be creative.



Not really? I'd say going back is far worse. What else can they do? No one has answered that question. At least with future we can start to see stories with less than perdictable outcomes.



Okay, so I want to ask this question again, since no one answers it. Okay, so innovation doesn't mean you need a new setting. That is 150% true. However, i'd argue that they can't really "innovate" that much in Modern and WW2 settings without starting to become other games. So I'll ask again, what can they do now in those settings, that they didn't do before?
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Black Ops 1 was a fresh take on the Cold War. They can go to locations they haven't gone before, they don't need to go to Baghdad necessarily. More of Pripyat would be awesome, more of Russia, the Eastern Bloc...etc. They could polish and refine the mechanics, borrow some new stuff from Battlefield and Rainbow Six Siege...etc.
Having to go futuristic to allow creativity is horseshit.
 
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Kalentan

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etta said:
Black Ops 1 was a fresh take on the Cold War. They can go to locations they haven't gonebefore, they do need to go to Baghdad. More of Pripyat would be awesome, more of Russia, the Eastern Bloc...etc. They could polish and refine the mechanics, borrow some new stuff from Battlefield and Rainbow Six Siege...etc.
Having to go futuristic to allow creativity is horseshit.
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So basically... for them to innovate, they should start to just take things from other games? Why? Why not let those games do their own things and let CoD do it's own stuff? If they start to add more vehicles and BF elements, they start stepping on BF toes, and if they start to add more R6 elements, then they start to step on their toes as well and Call of Duty's identity becomes further muddled.

You say polish and refine the mechanics, but what do you specifically mean? How would they polish and refine the mechanics? I'd argue that the reason they started to do the whole exo movement, is because they were no longer able to innovate with the actual gunplay as it is. So they were trying to support the gunplay they know they can't change much.

Also, can you not admit that them going futuristic does allow them to have MORE creativity? Are you honestly going to say that, because they're not tied down to a set settings, weapons, and so on, that they are less creative than just importing real weapons and settings into a game?
 
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TheActtionFigure

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Hubble said:
No, most people do not know the details of how MWR works. It is because people are growing fed up with the futuristic settings in COD and no boots on the ground. People are hating all the jumping and flying and the futuristic weapons. People want modern warfare. I am glad people are speaking up and voting with the dislikes. Usually, videos have a lot of likes no matter what.
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So these people, I assume, are generally forum dwellers and YouTube shit posters since BLOPS3 sold through the roof. People like myself prefer futuristic CoD. And people speaking with dislikes mean shit when they'll wind up buying the new game and speaking much louder with their wallets.
 
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Nudull

Banned
Call of Duty going sci-fi was kind of inevitable. There are so many ways you can do modern or WWI/II-era warfare. Other wars exist, sure, but what's to stop those eras from becoming stale as well?
 
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etta

my hard graphic balls
Kalentan said:
So basically... for them to innovate, they should start to just take things from other games? Why? Why not let those games do their own things and let CoD do it's own stuff?

You say polish and refine the mechanics, but what do you specifically mean? How would they polish and refine the mechanics? I'd argue that the reason they started to do the whole exo movement, is because they were no longer able to innovate with the actual gunplay as it is. So they were trying to support the gunplay they know they can't change much.

Also, can you not admit that them going futuristic does allow them to have MORE creativity? Are you honestly going to say that, because they're not tied down to a set settings, weapons, and so on, that they are less creative than just importing real weapons and settings into a game?
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Yes, they could borrow stuff like rapelling, wall breaches, destruction of battlefield, and I wouldn't mind having choppers and tanks in multiplayer, some of the killstreaks already give you a taste of that.

Mechanically Rainbow Six Siege feels more modern and refined than Black Ops 3. The movement, guns and attachments, hit feedback, environment traversal...etc.

For the last point, you need to read again what I am saying, which is that you don't need to go futuristic style to be creative. R6S feel like the most creative FPS I've played and it's not set in the future.
 
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brokenbeans

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I think most people just wanna go back to more simple times when it comes to COD, 4 was never perfect but it's vanilla compared to AW and BO3's chocolate crack Sunday iterations of the series.
 
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Kalentan

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etta said:
Yes, they could borrow stuff like rapelling, wall breaches, destruction of battlefield, and I wouldn't mind having choppers and tanks in multiplayer, some of the killstreaks already give you a taste of that.
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So become Battlefield? How is that innovation? That's the death of it. At that point, it would become: "Do you want a lot of players or small players?" Why make Call of Duty, Battlefield-lite.

Mechanically Rainbow Six Siege feels more modern and refined than Black Ops 3. The movement, guns and attachments, hit feedback, environment traversal...etc.
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That' honestly way more subjective than anything else. Siege feels like that because the game is supposed to be tactical, it's not supposed to feel lighter and swifter. The rappel mechanic for example, works because of the slow nature of the game.

For the last point, you need to read again what I am saying, which is that you don't need to go futuristic style to be creative. R6S feel like the most creative FPS I've played and it's not set in the future.
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Again, though, all your suggestions are just taking shit from other stuff. At least with Future stuff, they can create game mechanics they can't actually do in modern times or in the past without becoming other game series.
 
AHA-Lambda

AHA-Lambda

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Kalentan said:
I mean... Do they even want to? Sure you can "mix it up", but if mixing it up, means that one team has to go back and just basically recreate what's already been done in the series, that would be just boring. At least with future, they can be creative.
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I don't think that's fair either, the games are all largely similar after all even with the different settings, the only one to try anything new of late was AW and they abandoned that the year after.

Personally speaking I'd actually find a modern warfare title refreshing given no one is doing them now =/
 
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